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NRHP nomination form Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Per the peer review, I hope to get some more color photographs of the house soon. Since it is on a private development, I have made an appointment to see it. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
We just had a family reunion at this location on the 17th of July.....got 34 photos inside and out.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.201.106 ( talk) 12:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
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Based on my recent visit, here are some things I know about the house, but do not have reliable sources for.
Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I think that Tomasak probably has the right years for purchasing the lake (1853) and construction of the house (1854-1855). My guess is that R. Bruce Ricketts came up with the 1851 purchase and 1852 building completed dates without checking original records (Tomasak even quotes a brochure RBR sent out for the hotel that mentions 1852), and the other, later sources just took his word for it (William Reynolds Ricketts) or copied what earlier sources used. If the Colonel (RBR) came up with 1852 for completing the house, he could even have had it carved on the stone house at some point (1913 renovation?). It is difficult to say RBR's brochure, WRR's HABS history, the NRHP form, and the date carved into the stone of the building itself are all wrong, but if Tomasak is right about the purchase date of the lake (1853) then the house can't have been built before the land was purchased.
The main reason I believe Tomasak is that he tracks down all the obscure sources - he lists the two different mortgages RBR has with his father (March and November 1869), and the amounts paid for purchases and buildings. There are also things he looked at that make much more sense with an 1853 purchase date for the lake: if you bought the land and the old Long Pond Tavern in 1851, why would you wait until 1853 to get a tavern license? Why wait until 1854 for a post office? These make more sense with an 1853 purchase date, and tracking down the details of the US Post Office records for when the Post Office was active and the county records for the tavern permit, make it also seem to me like he tracked down the real estate records for the purchase date.
Unfortunately Tomasak's book does not say clearly where he got the 1853 date for the purchase or the 1854-1855 construction dates. It is more data and less explanation than most history books - I wish he wrote something like "Although these sources say the house was built in 1851-1852, these records clearly show it was actually built in 1854 to 1855. All of this is speculation on my part, so I hope presenting both dates and sources in the article works. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I got Tomasak's Biography of Colonel R Bruce Ricketts and have now added about 4 kB of prose to the article based on that - diff. I plan to ask the FAC and PR reviewers to take a second look at the article and make sure it still reads smoothly and clearly, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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NRHP nomination form Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Per the peer review, I hope to get some more color photographs of the house soon. Since it is on a private development, I have made an appointment to see it. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
We just had a family reunion at this location on the 17th of July.....got 34 photos inside and out.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.201.106 ( talk) 12:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 03:26, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
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I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.
Disambiguations: none found
Linkrot: I fixed one link that lead to a search page. diff
Based on my recent visit, here are some things I know about the house, but do not have reliable sources for.
Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I think that Tomasak probably has the right years for purchasing the lake (1853) and construction of the house (1854-1855). My guess is that R. Bruce Ricketts came up with the 1851 purchase and 1852 building completed dates without checking original records (Tomasak even quotes a brochure RBR sent out for the hotel that mentions 1852), and the other, later sources just took his word for it (William Reynolds Ricketts) or copied what earlier sources used. If the Colonel (RBR) came up with 1852 for completing the house, he could even have had it carved on the stone house at some point (1913 renovation?). It is difficult to say RBR's brochure, WRR's HABS history, the NRHP form, and the date carved into the stone of the building itself are all wrong, but if Tomasak is right about the purchase date of the lake (1853) then the house can't have been built before the land was purchased.
The main reason I believe Tomasak is that he tracks down all the obscure sources - he lists the two different mortgages RBR has with his father (March and November 1869), and the amounts paid for purchases and buildings. There are also things he looked at that make much more sense with an 1853 purchase date for the lake: if you bought the land and the old Long Pond Tavern in 1851, why would you wait until 1853 to get a tavern license? Why wait until 1854 for a post office? These make more sense with an 1853 purchase date, and tracking down the details of the US Post Office records for when the Post Office was active and the county records for the tavern permit, make it also seem to me like he tracked down the real estate records for the purchase date.
Unfortunately Tomasak's book does not say clearly where he got the 1853 date for the purchase or the 1854-1855 construction dates. It is more data and less explanation than most history books - I wish he wrote something like "Although these sources say the house was built in 1851-1852, these records clearly show it was actually built in 1854 to 1855. All of this is speculation on my part, so I hope presenting both dates and sources in the article works. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I got Tomasak's Biography of Colonel R Bruce Ricketts and have now added about 4 kB of prose to the article based on that - diff. I plan to ask the FAC and PR reviewers to take a second look at the article and make sure it still reads smoothly and clearly, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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