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This article refers to Clayoquot Sound as a land based geographic area when that term actually describes the waters adjacent to the area this article refers to. I believe that its use to refer to the land based area is fairly recent. Somehow we should remedy this misnomer. -- KenWalker | Talk 08:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Unless its caption is adjusted to "Clayoquot Sound Management Unit" or whatever its working name is; the term Clayoquot Sound does not include waters outside of itself, i.e. Hesquiat Bay or lands outside its shores - Hesquiat Peninsula, or Long Beach for that matter. Either this is split into Clayoquot Sound Region and the sound proper is this article; I think the easier solution is to make a map. And remove the references to the Hesquiaht people being "in Clayoquot Sound". They're not, and indeed may take offence. Skookum1 ( talk) 22:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I would generally agree with you, Map is wrong. Mostly in its deliniation of the southern boundary which includes many watersheds which drain into Barkley Sound. The generalized southern boundary, I would suggest be Green Point, on Long Beach. This also corrosponds with the traditional territorial boundary between the Tla-O-Qui-Aht and Ucluel-Aht First Nations. Furthermore, as a sound is a body of water encompassed by two points, Clayoquot is deliniated by Esowista Peninsula (Tofino) in the South, and Estevan Point (Hesquiaht Penninsula) in the North. As for the Hesquiaht First Nations, their territory does mostly fall within the boundries of Clayoquot. WestCoast222 ( talk) 04:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
The survey mentioned is misrepresented. The survey was a list of environmental issues and was commissioned by an environmental group. It wasn't even the top concern environmental wise. If it is going to be used, it needs to be clearly explained. Alternatively, it could be removed since all it says is that an environmental group asked 300 people if they were concerned about trees. Doesn't say much. Also, ecotrust.ca is not RS. Coverage from a source with an editorial vetting process (ie newspaper) should be provided. [1] Cptnono ( talk) 20:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The statement simply said that - "Recent surveys show over 78% of individuals living in the Clayoquot Sound region concerned about clear-cut logging. " That was one of the results form that survey. Would the statement be acceptable if it read: "A recent survey, commisioned by Ecotrust Canada, asked, amoung many topics, 'How personally concerned are you about the following environmental issues?'. The top-three responses to recieve a 'very-concerned' response were; Depletion of Ocean Fish Stocks (88%), Loss or Extinction of Wildlife (78%), and Clear-cutting of forests (78%)." On the point of 300 people asked... that is a substantial portion of the population of Clayoquot Sound (approx 5000ppl/300= 6%... a lot higher than most of the surveys we see on the news about the popularity of various presidents or prime-ministers) I dont want to defend ecotrust... Calling them an environmental group is a bit of a stretch on the traditional meaning of the word. Ecotrust, after all, helps manages a logging company (Issaak) in Clayoquot Sound. How can I quote this survey? The only place to get the results from the McCallister Opinion Research (an independent research company, using industry standard methodology), is on the Ecotrust Website. It is, in essence, the primary source of that information. I simply feel the survey helps give context to the beliefs of the local population. :) WestCoast222 ( talk) 22:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
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Oh my goodness. I am reverting a number of edits made to the page today (Dec 16) as many are made without reference, and quite honestly, are false. There were some edits that were quite warrented, as in removing slanted language or statements and I will leave those. Please, I beg of you, if you are going to edit a statement, that is fine, but you CANNOT continue to attribute it to the previous reference. It leads people to believe something is varifiable when it is not. I am fine if you want to change a statement, but, please, attribute it to a new reference. WestCoast222 ( talk) 17:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Stack up CBC, Vancouver Sun, gardening sites etc and even adopt their buzzwords ("pristine" e.g.), but they're still wrong about the name, or "fuzzy" on it and are latter-day mushinesses, often simply parroting other errors and claims that, while popular, aren't true, or at best incomplete; Captain Walbran, Father Brabant, and BCGNIS give a much fuller and relevant account than the claim that "Clayoquot" is an "anglicized" name, given that it doesn't look anything like English. See "Clayoquot Sound". BC Geographical Names. and "Clayoquot (locality)". BC Geographical Names. for more; I can't remember where I saw the Clayoqua Indian Reserve 6 as the origin of the term, maybe on one of the Nuu-chah-nulth sites, though the locality Clayoquot isn't at the same location as the IR. Walbran and Brabant are fair game to blockquote in the name section, also....as for repeating the CBC's adoption of eco-group mantra like "pristine old-growth forests", that's an issue of POV-slanted sources and "plain language" should be used, sans peacockery and buzzwords. this page reads far too much like a tract as it is.... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
As part of our History 396 class at the University of British Columbia our team would like to add two sections to this article. Here are our proposed additions:
5 Logging Protests
5.1 Origins of Controversy
5.2 Blockades and Protests
5.3 Media and Protest Attention
6 Trials, Arrests and Aftermath of Protests
6.1 Trial Outcomes
6.2 Aftermath of the Controversy
Added in another paragraph in the media section! -- Aliarayan ( talk) 00:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Just edited the aftermath of the protests section. I re-worded the entire first paragraph to be more coherent, did a lot of small grammatical changes and larger sentence re-structuring so that the ideas flowed more smoothly.-- Aliarayan ( talk) 01:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
For the trial outcomes, I just edited some small grammatical errors and combined some sentences together.-- Aliarayan ( talk) 02:18, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
In origins of the controversy, I edited a lot of various information. There was repetition of the same words (especially 'however') and some of the writing appeared to be a little biased, so I made it sound more neutral. The structuring was a little off (sometimes there would be 1 space after the period and sometimes 2 spaces) so I tried to fix those, but if anyone else sees that feel free to re-edit. Sometimes there was also writing that appeared irrelevant to the article, so I deleted a little bit of information where I felt it was not necessary, for example the part about the tourist representative walking out and getting replaced by a new group, when the new group wasn't mentioned.-- Aliarayan ( talk) 02:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
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This article refers to Clayoquot Sound as a land based geographic area when that term actually describes the waters adjacent to the area this article refers to. I believe that its use to refer to the land based area is fairly recent. Somehow we should remedy this misnomer. -- KenWalker | Talk 08:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Unless its caption is adjusted to "Clayoquot Sound Management Unit" or whatever its working name is; the term Clayoquot Sound does not include waters outside of itself, i.e. Hesquiat Bay or lands outside its shores - Hesquiat Peninsula, or Long Beach for that matter. Either this is split into Clayoquot Sound Region and the sound proper is this article; I think the easier solution is to make a map. And remove the references to the Hesquiaht people being "in Clayoquot Sound". They're not, and indeed may take offence. Skookum1 ( talk) 22:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I would generally agree with you, Map is wrong. Mostly in its deliniation of the southern boundary which includes many watersheds which drain into Barkley Sound. The generalized southern boundary, I would suggest be Green Point, on Long Beach. This also corrosponds with the traditional territorial boundary between the Tla-O-Qui-Aht and Ucluel-Aht First Nations. Furthermore, as a sound is a body of water encompassed by two points, Clayoquot is deliniated by Esowista Peninsula (Tofino) in the South, and Estevan Point (Hesquiaht Penninsula) in the North. As for the Hesquiaht First Nations, their territory does mostly fall within the boundries of Clayoquot. WestCoast222 ( talk) 04:08, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
The survey mentioned is misrepresented. The survey was a list of environmental issues and was commissioned by an environmental group. It wasn't even the top concern environmental wise. If it is going to be used, it needs to be clearly explained. Alternatively, it could be removed since all it says is that an environmental group asked 300 people if they were concerned about trees. Doesn't say much. Also, ecotrust.ca is not RS. Coverage from a source with an editorial vetting process (ie newspaper) should be provided. [1] Cptnono ( talk) 20:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The statement simply said that - "Recent surveys show over 78% of individuals living in the Clayoquot Sound region concerned about clear-cut logging. " That was one of the results form that survey. Would the statement be acceptable if it read: "A recent survey, commisioned by Ecotrust Canada, asked, amoung many topics, 'How personally concerned are you about the following environmental issues?'. The top-three responses to recieve a 'very-concerned' response were; Depletion of Ocean Fish Stocks (88%), Loss or Extinction of Wildlife (78%), and Clear-cutting of forests (78%)." On the point of 300 people asked... that is a substantial portion of the population of Clayoquot Sound (approx 5000ppl/300= 6%... a lot higher than most of the surveys we see on the news about the popularity of various presidents or prime-ministers) I dont want to defend ecotrust... Calling them an environmental group is a bit of a stretch on the traditional meaning of the word. Ecotrust, after all, helps manages a logging company (Issaak) in Clayoquot Sound. How can I quote this survey? The only place to get the results from the McCallister Opinion Research (an independent research company, using industry standard methodology), is on the Ecotrust Website. It is, in essence, the primary source of that information. I simply feel the survey helps give context to the beliefs of the local population. :) WestCoast222 ( talk) 22:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
* Purpose & Methodology * Part 1 - Community Roots * Part 2 - Quality of Life * Part 3 - Community Concerns * Part 4 - Environment * Part 5 - Sustainability * Part 6 - Fisheries * Part 7 - Forestry * Part 8 - Recreation & Leisure * Part 9 - Media Habits * Part 10 - Internet Use
Oh my goodness. I am reverting a number of edits made to the page today (Dec 16) as many are made without reference, and quite honestly, are false. There were some edits that were quite warrented, as in removing slanted language or statements and I will leave those. Please, I beg of you, if you are going to edit a statement, that is fine, but you CANNOT continue to attribute it to the previous reference. It leads people to believe something is varifiable when it is not. I am fine if you want to change a statement, but, please, attribute it to a new reference. WestCoast222 ( talk) 17:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Stack up CBC, Vancouver Sun, gardening sites etc and even adopt their buzzwords ("pristine" e.g.), but they're still wrong about the name, or "fuzzy" on it and are latter-day mushinesses, often simply parroting other errors and claims that, while popular, aren't true, or at best incomplete; Captain Walbran, Father Brabant, and BCGNIS give a much fuller and relevant account than the claim that "Clayoquot" is an "anglicized" name, given that it doesn't look anything like English. See "Clayoquot Sound". BC Geographical Names. and "Clayoquot (locality)". BC Geographical Names. for more; I can't remember where I saw the Clayoqua Indian Reserve 6 as the origin of the term, maybe on one of the Nuu-chah-nulth sites, though the locality Clayoquot isn't at the same location as the IR. Walbran and Brabant are fair game to blockquote in the name section, also....as for repeating the CBC's adoption of eco-group mantra like "pristine old-growth forests", that's an issue of POV-slanted sources and "plain language" should be used, sans peacockery and buzzwords. this page reads far too much like a tract as it is.... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:13, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
As part of our History 396 class at the University of British Columbia our team would like to add two sections to this article. Here are our proposed additions:
5 Logging Protests
5.1 Origins of Controversy
5.2 Blockades and Protests
5.3 Media and Protest Attention
6 Trials, Arrests and Aftermath of Protests
6.1 Trial Outcomes
6.2 Aftermath of the Controversy
Added in another paragraph in the media section! -- Aliarayan ( talk) 00:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Just edited the aftermath of the protests section. I re-worded the entire first paragraph to be more coherent, did a lot of small grammatical changes and larger sentence re-structuring so that the ideas flowed more smoothly.-- Aliarayan ( talk) 01:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
For the trial outcomes, I just edited some small grammatical errors and combined some sentences together.-- Aliarayan ( talk) 02:18, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
In origins of the controversy, I edited a lot of various information. There was repetition of the same words (especially 'however') and some of the writing appeared to be a little biased, so I made it sound more neutral. The structuring was a little off (sometimes there would be 1 space after the period and sometimes 2 spaces) so I tried to fix those, but if anyone else sees that feel free to re-edit. Sometimes there was also writing that appeared irrelevant to the article, so I deleted a little bit of information where I felt it was not necessary, for example the part about the tourist representative walking out and getting replaced by a new group, when the new group wasn't mentioned.-- Aliarayan ( talk) 02:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
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