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HI, I rearranged the article a little so its in a chronological order- it seemed to jump from attack to allegation and back a lot. Also nonPOV'd a lot of the statements, particularly the ones about the allegations and interviews in 2005.
Something else- what exactly does this have to do with Operation Mincemeat? I left it in because I wasnt sure, but there doesnt appear to be a connection other than that CAIN has them both happening on the same day- see CAIN link. I will remove it to its own article if no one objects.
Fluffy999 03:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
CAIN attributes the bombs to the IRA; as does Guardian Unlimited December 22, 2002. I am seeking opinions prior to editing the article. Aatomic1 08:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
No mention of who the person in James Chesneys house with the alibi was - does not seem to be mentioned in any of the news articles either. What hapnned to him ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.8.58.146 ( talk) 16:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the list of dead per WP:NOTMEMORIAL Mo ainm ~Talk 17:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Some of the information in the list section was useful and needed to be in the main body of the article. I have added what I believe to be necessary, should anyone wish to add any more they are obviously welcome to do so. O Fenian ( talk) 19:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
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Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion, especially when a first attempt to add material has been reverted. As policy says I have removed the following additions.
Certainly doesn't belong in the lead, and I don't see what relevance it actually has to the article.
See WP:NOTMEMORIAL.
This is a non-sequitur. So what if someone has "republican sympathies"? FDW777 ( talk) 07:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello FDW777. You haven't actually explained your reason. This Wikipedia article is on a triple bombing in Claudy, but yet it does not name the nine victims, because you have twice removed the names and some brief details that I added. Similar information is on other Troubles related Wikipedia pages, such as the 'Bloody Friday' page and others. Your deletions are actually inconsistent with other Troubles related pages. So, I am going to ask you again, to explain your rationale. Simply saying that verifiable information may not be included, isn't a rationale for removing the names. If anything, your deletions of the names of the victims is rather bizarre. Some people might say it is rather sinister that the names of victims have been removed, twice. This is your opportunity to comment and provide some clarity. I write about the Troubles in a blog and post comments on social media regarding the Troubles, Irish politics, crime and terrorism etc, so obviously a number of politicians and journalists who follow me, will be intrigued by my commentary regarding my Wikipedia experiences this week. If you don't wish to provide a rationale for your deletions, that is your prerogative, but if you are unwilling to provide a rationale, I will be forced to assume that you simply don't have a reasonable explanation for your deletions, which then brings into question your motivations when editing pages about the Troubles. If you are unwilling to discuss the matter, that is also your prerogative, but I will be continuing to discuss the matter online, with or without your input. I will also be seeking the views of Wikipedia, regarding the problems brought to light by the Claudy page - such as the intentional omission of information - that bring into question the credibility / reliability of Wikipedia in general. So, it's over to you FDW777. If you don't wish to respond, that's fine, but a lack of a suitable response, or a non-response will mean that people will have to reach their own conclusions about this page and your editorial decisions and motivations. By the way, I have a number of screenshots of the Claudy page and I have everything copied onto a Word document, so I would be happy to assist in editing the page. I look forward to hearing from you. WikiMonitor2021 ( talk) Hello FDW777. I gave you an opportunity to respond and you chose not to. That's fine, it's your choice. I can write an article without your input if you wish, but it means you won't be able to put your own case. By the way, I noticed another Wikipedia user had praised your work on the Provisional IRA. I have posted a screenshot on social media, to provide some context about your editing on Wikipedia. Bearing in mind that you have twice removed the names of victims of an IRA bomb attack, and you are being praised for your work on the IRA, people will obviously be concerned about your possible lack of impartiality in editing Troubles related pages. At the very least, you have created an impression of being politically motivated in your editing. I will of course be studying the editing on other pages. As you are not willing to discuss the matter, then the court of public opinion will decide. If you change your mind and wish to comment, feel free to let me know. Thanks for the link you posted. I may use it, but I think this is a public interest story that should be dealt with externally, on social and news media. Anyway... have a nice day. :) |
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HI, I rearranged the article a little so its in a chronological order- it seemed to jump from attack to allegation and back a lot. Also nonPOV'd a lot of the statements, particularly the ones about the allegations and interviews in 2005.
Something else- what exactly does this have to do with Operation Mincemeat? I left it in because I wasnt sure, but there doesnt appear to be a connection other than that CAIN has them both happening on the same day- see CAIN link. I will remove it to its own article if no one objects.
Fluffy999 03:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
CAIN attributes the bombs to the IRA; as does Guardian Unlimited December 22, 2002. I am seeking opinions prior to editing the article. Aatomic1 08:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
No mention of who the person in James Chesneys house with the alibi was - does not seem to be mentioned in any of the news articles either. What hapnned to him ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.8.58.146 ( talk) 16:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the list of dead per WP:NOTMEMORIAL Mo ainm ~Talk 17:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Some of the information in the list section was useful and needed to be in the main body of the article. I have added what I believe to be necessary, should anyone wish to add any more they are obviously welcome to do so. O Fenian ( talk) 19:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
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I don't recognise the court of public opinion |
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Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion, especially when a first attempt to add material has been reverted. As policy says I have removed the following additions.
Certainly doesn't belong in the lead, and I don't see what relevance it actually has to the article.
See WP:NOTMEMORIAL.
This is a non-sequitur. So what if someone has "republican sympathies"? FDW777 ( talk) 07:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello FDW777. You haven't actually explained your reason. This Wikipedia article is on a triple bombing in Claudy, but yet it does not name the nine victims, because you have twice removed the names and some brief details that I added. Similar information is on other Troubles related Wikipedia pages, such as the 'Bloody Friday' page and others. Your deletions are actually inconsistent with other Troubles related pages. So, I am going to ask you again, to explain your rationale. Simply saying that verifiable information may not be included, isn't a rationale for removing the names. If anything, your deletions of the names of the victims is rather bizarre. Some people might say it is rather sinister that the names of victims have been removed, twice. This is your opportunity to comment and provide some clarity. I write about the Troubles in a blog and post comments on social media regarding the Troubles, Irish politics, crime and terrorism etc, so obviously a number of politicians and journalists who follow me, will be intrigued by my commentary regarding my Wikipedia experiences this week. If you don't wish to provide a rationale for your deletions, that is your prerogative, but if you are unwilling to provide a rationale, I will be forced to assume that you simply don't have a reasonable explanation for your deletions, which then brings into question your motivations when editing pages about the Troubles. If you are unwilling to discuss the matter, that is also your prerogative, but I will be continuing to discuss the matter online, with or without your input. I will also be seeking the views of Wikipedia, regarding the problems brought to light by the Claudy page - such as the intentional omission of information - that bring into question the credibility / reliability of Wikipedia in general. So, it's over to you FDW777. If you don't wish to respond, that's fine, but a lack of a suitable response, or a non-response will mean that people will have to reach their own conclusions about this page and your editorial decisions and motivations. By the way, I have a number of screenshots of the Claudy page and I have everything copied onto a Word document, so I would be happy to assist in editing the page. I look forward to hearing from you. WikiMonitor2021 ( talk) Hello FDW777. I gave you an opportunity to respond and you chose not to. That's fine, it's your choice. I can write an article without your input if you wish, but it means you won't be able to put your own case. By the way, I noticed another Wikipedia user had praised your work on the Provisional IRA. I have posted a screenshot on social media, to provide some context about your editing on Wikipedia. Bearing in mind that you have twice removed the names of victims of an IRA bomb attack, and you are being praised for your work on the IRA, people will obviously be concerned about your possible lack of impartiality in editing Troubles related pages. At the very least, you have created an impression of being politically motivated in your editing. I will of course be studying the editing on other pages. As you are not willing to discuss the matter, then the court of public opinion will decide. If you change your mind and wish to comment, feel free to let me know. Thanks for the link you posted. I may use it, but I think this is a public interest story that should be dealt with externally, on social and news media. Anyway... have a nice day. :) |