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Why "Tunisian"? Just because she was born there? Her mother was French, father was Italian (Sicilian). Cardinale is widely considered Italian actress. (Nothing personal, I am just for accuracy). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betty kerner ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Because she was raised there, her mother was born and spent her entire life there, and she has spoken openly about her identity as part of the Italian Tunisian ethnic group. I had changed the article to reflect this and linked to the Italian Tunisians wiki page, but someone changed it back. I'm not going to bother wading into editing politics, but she was born in Tunisia, raised in Tunisia, identifies as a member of a demographic of Tunisia, speaks Arabic and has discussed Tunisia at length in the press. Make of that what you will. 2407:7000:8318:C471:B813:75FD:EC33:89A2 ( talk) 10:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
I've seen no evidence of her speaking Arabic. In fact on a German TV interview from 1964 (which can be found on YouTube), when asked what languages she speaks, she doesn't even mention Arabic and specifically identifies herself as Italian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4dnvvV9LjM
Birthname is given as Cardin in article. Is there any supporting evidence for this, or is it an error? Orbicle 09:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
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says the article: "Her son Patrick was born out of wedlock to a mysterious Frenchman when the actress was only 17" - it is known (and written in her book) that she was raped when she was 17 ! 84.227.134.78 07:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The following sentence regarding her voice will have to be sourced, please revert it then. "Despite her very feminine appearance, she had a deep voice (for a woman) from an early age, and in her early films she had her voice dubbed by someone else, but very soon her unique voice gained huge popularity and added to her success." KungFuMonkey 22:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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Claudia did NOT appear in FALCON CREST.. That was Gina Lollobrigida in a few episodes.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 ( talk) 09:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Currently leaving the 1939 birthdate in - seems to be supported by BFI and Allmovie, arguably more reliable than IMDB which indicates 1938. Filmreference also claims 1938. Additional sources would be welcome here, especially Italian sites which meet WP:RS. Dl2000 ( talk) 04:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
She was in The Pink Panther and not A Shot in the Dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmeskill ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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I went to do a bit of gnoming on the article, started reading it, and now fancy doing the GA review. A lot of work appears to have gone into this already, and as expected is up to the usual high standards of those who worked on it, so I see no reason not to give it a full review.
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More later. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
The turning point in her career.
More later Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure, just Lancaster I think might confuse people, especially given that it's also a place, we last mentioned Burt Lancaster twenty years ago.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Cardinale's nowhere near the league of Streep and Hepburn in terms of scholarly coverage of her acting. I very much doubt there is much at all documenting her acting.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not needed for GA though is it? We may try to find something before taking it to FAC.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I've gone through the whole article now. My main concerns are some of the image copyrights, and the lack of "Legacy" / "Style" section means some of the "Career" prose rambles a little bit too much. Still, based on your work and who else is looking at this, I don't think these are insurmountable problems to meet the GA criteria, so I'll put the review on hold now pending improvements. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Most have been addressed I believe. I really detest fussing about with images, please do whatever you deem necessary, but I'd be very sorry to see the main image go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I've gone through all the points raised and made a few comments - everything else I'm happy with. The only outstanding points I can see are :
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http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2011/02/50-most-beautiful-women-in-film.html is complaining about needing a login
* "Determined not to have an abortion" - the previous sentence makes this redundant as the context is clear
I'll try and press for a response about the images - I'm surprised nobody has said anything, there are a handful of editors who leap on image copyrights like a praying mantis. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: What citations?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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(cont) 18:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)@ Ritchie333: OK now?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the review Ritchie, much appreciated.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:43, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. I see no reason for one. The lead does an excellent job of summerising the key facts in a much more educational compared to a load of trivial old bullet points contained within the infobox. Cassianto Talk 11:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Support. I am a little OCD and so things that are inconsistent bug me. I could really go with or without but Wikipedia, as an entity, should not revolve around the appearance of one (this) article. Just looking at some of the other names mentioned on this page alone, all have info boxes. Sometimes a casual reader (not editor, concerned with style and layout) are actually looking for a specific fact. They know where to find these facts based on how other pages have trained them. See Gina Lollobrigida, Meryl Streep, Federico Fellini, and David Niven -- and that's cutting the list short. I would say either remove all infoboxes from Wikipedia for whatever logic Cassianto can use to justify a deviation from what appears to be a celebrity template or add an infobox to this article. -- SlimJim Talk 09:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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Years active | 1958–Present |
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Franco Cristaldi (1966–1975, divorced) |
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You've said it, OCD. Enough. BTW I also authored the Meryl Streep article and would also favour removing the infobox on that too but it's a high traffic article and can't be bothered to have to keeping reverting the zealots. We add infoboxes where they're of use to the reader, not for the sake of the furniture being consistent. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
SlimJim, it's exactly this sort of thing which puts editors off wanting to promote things to FA and GA because every time the article appears on the main page some idiot comes along and kicks up a fuss over infoboxes. When they get the response "no thankyou" they start with the usual WP:OWN and WP:CIVIL arguments and things become unnecessarily unpleasant.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Wow, you guys really don't like an alternative opinion being voiced. Someone besides me started the section so I'm not the only one that thought of it. Read the first two responses to my initial edit. How does that comport with the five pillars? If I was a new editor, would I offer up an opinion contrary to the majority voice here? I've been editing since 2005. I thought the talk page was where things were hashed out. If you voiced an opinion here, reread it and see how you stand up. So keep it as it is, nobody would dare step up and offer an opinion or a solution that might include an IB (mine was an example, improve it) or not. Maybe I'll just stick with grammar and sentence structure. I do my part and I'm happy. -- SlimJim Talk 15:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Picking through this section, let me make sure I get all the names. To Cassianto, Dr. Blofeld, SchroCat, Tim riley; please allow me to offer an olive branch in an attempt to quell this kerfuffle. If I have offended, I sincerely apologize. This issue is not worth disrupting the work that I enjoy doing here. I assume that each of you get satisfaction as well in what you do. I will take this as a lesson in that the tone has changed during the break I took from editing in the last few years. That is not meant as a criticism, it’s either my faulty recollection or just the way it is. -- SlimJim Talk 06:03, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
SlimJim what you appear not to realize is that we have to put up with the same thing in dozens of articles throughout the year. It becomes a tedious bore, so that's why we might seem a little aggressive to you because it's another "OH NOT AGAIN" scenario, somebody trying to force an infobox.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:14, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone realize that the infobox I just added is different from the infobox provided here? sst ✈ 10:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I came here to find out how old she was, and it'd be easier if I didn't have to work it out from her date of birth. I have slight dyscalculia and infoboxes that include a person's age make life a lot easier for me. 2.219.97.182 ( talk) 20:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
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@SchroCat, could you please get the bio information to display Cardinale's age based on her birth date?
I added the InfoBox so the age would be displayed with her bio information. I was not aware the InfoBox was being endlessly debated here.
I'm not asking you re-add the InfoBox. Just show her current age with her bio information, like birthdate.
Thanks. Jeffrey Walton ( talk) 08:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I have reverted the recent addition of an infobox by an IP. I am doing this simply because there was previously consensus not to include a box, the primary contributors to the box did not want one, and while editors do not own articles and people should just be bold and do stuff, I can't help thinking that the purpose of this edit was not entirely based on an intrinsic desire to improve the article. If you're going to take bold actions, I'd like you to log in and be accountable for them. If you're worried about being personally attacked for simply adding an infobox, you have my sympathies - email me and we can discuss things.
I also want to make it clear that I have no objection to any editor in good standing re-adding the infobox back in, and my actions here are because of the way things have been done, not what. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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Why "Tunisian"? Just because she was born there? Her mother was French, father was Italian (Sicilian). Cardinale is widely considered Italian actress. (Nothing personal, I am just for accuracy). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betty kerner ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Because she was raised there, her mother was born and spent her entire life there, and she has spoken openly about her identity as part of the Italian Tunisian ethnic group. I had changed the article to reflect this and linked to the Italian Tunisians wiki page, but someone changed it back. I'm not going to bother wading into editing politics, but she was born in Tunisia, raised in Tunisia, identifies as a member of a demographic of Tunisia, speaks Arabic and has discussed Tunisia at length in the press. Make of that what you will. 2407:7000:8318:C471:B813:75FD:EC33:89A2 ( talk) 10:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
I've seen no evidence of her speaking Arabic. In fact on a German TV interview from 1964 (which can be found on YouTube), when asked what languages she speaks, she doesn't even mention Arabic and specifically identifies herself as Italian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4dnvvV9LjM
Birthname is given as Cardin in article. Is there any supporting evidence for this, or is it an error? Orbicle 09:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
mustache women — Preceding
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134.7.193.46 (
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says the article: "Her son Patrick was born out of wedlock to a mysterious Frenchman when the actress was only 17" - it is known (and written in her book) that she was raped when she was 17 ! 84.227.134.78 07:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The following sentence regarding her voice will have to be sourced, please revert it then. "Despite her very feminine appearance, she had a deep voice (for a woman) from an early age, and in her early films she had her voice dubbed by someone else, but very soon her unique voice gained huge popularity and added to her success." KungFuMonkey 22:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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Claudia did NOT appear in FALCON CREST.. That was Gina Lollobrigida in a few episodes.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 ( talk) 09:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Currently leaving the 1939 birthdate in - seems to be supported by BFI and Allmovie, arguably more reliable than IMDB which indicates 1938. Filmreference also claims 1938. Additional sources would be welcome here, especially Italian sites which meet WP:RS. Dl2000 ( talk) 04:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
She was in The Pink Panther and not A Shot in the Dark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattmeskill ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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I went to do a bit of gnoming on the article, started reading it, and now fancy doing the GA review. A lot of work appears to have gone into this already, and as expected is up to the usual high standards of those who worked on it, so I see no reason not to give it a full review.
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More later. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
The turning point in her career.
More later Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:45, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure, just Lancaster I think might confuse people, especially given that it's also a place, we last mentioned Burt Lancaster twenty years ago.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Cardinale's nowhere near the league of Streep and Hepburn in terms of scholarly coverage of her acting. I very much doubt there is much at all documenting her acting.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not needed for GA though is it? We may try to find something before taking it to FAC.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I've gone through the whole article now. My main concerns are some of the image copyrights, and the lack of "Legacy" / "Style" section means some of the "Career" prose rambles a little bit too much. Still, based on your work and who else is looking at this, I don't think these are insurmountable problems to meet the GA criteria, so I'll put the review on hold now pending improvements. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Most have been addressed I believe. I really detest fussing about with images, please do whatever you deem necessary, but I'd be very sorry to see the main image go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
I've gone through all the points raised and made a few comments - everything else I'm happy with. The only outstanding points I can see are :
*
http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2011/02/50-most-beautiful-women-in-film.html is complaining about needing a login
* "Determined not to have an abortion" - the previous sentence makes this redundant as the context is clear
I'll try and press for a response about the images - I'm surprised nobody has said anything, there are a handful of editors who leap on image copyrights like a praying mantis. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: What citations?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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(cont) 18:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)@ Ritchie333: OK now?♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the review Ritchie, much appreciated.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:43, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. I see no reason for one. The lead does an excellent job of summerising the key facts in a much more educational compared to a load of trivial old bullet points contained within the infobox. Cassianto Talk 11:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Support. I am a little OCD and so things that are inconsistent bug me. I could really go with or without but Wikipedia, as an entity, should not revolve around the appearance of one (this) article. Just looking at some of the other names mentioned on this page alone, all have info boxes. Sometimes a casual reader (not editor, concerned with style and layout) are actually looking for a specific fact. They know where to find these facts based on how other pages have trained them. See Gina Lollobrigida, Meryl Streep, Federico Fellini, and David Niven -- and that's cutting the list short. I would say either remove all infoboxes from Wikipedia for whatever logic Cassianto can use to justify a deviation from what appears to be a celebrity template or add an infobox to this article. -- SlimJim Talk 09:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Claudia Cardinale | |
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Occupation | Actress |
Years active | 1958–Present |
Spouse(s) |
Franco Cristaldi (1966–1975, divorced) |
-- SlimJim Talk 09:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
You've said it, OCD. Enough. BTW I also authored the Meryl Streep article and would also favour removing the infobox on that too but it's a high traffic article and can't be bothered to have to keeping reverting the zealots. We add infoboxes where they're of use to the reader, not for the sake of the furniture being consistent. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
SlimJim, it's exactly this sort of thing which puts editors off wanting to promote things to FA and GA because every time the article appears on the main page some idiot comes along and kicks up a fuss over infoboxes. When they get the response "no thankyou" they start with the usual WP:OWN and WP:CIVIL arguments and things become unnecessarily unpleasant.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:04, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Wow, you guys really don't like an alternative opinion being voiced. Someone besides me started the section so I'm not the only one that thought of it. Read the first two responses to my initial edit. How does that comport with the five pillars? If I was a new editor, would I offer up an opinion contrary to the majority voice here? I've been editing since 2005. I thought the talk page was where things were hashed out. If you voiced an opinion here, reread it and see how you stand up. So keep it as it is, nobody would dare step up and offer an opinion or a solution that might include an IB (mine was an example, improve it) or not. Maybe I'll just stick with grammar and sentence structure. I do my part and I'm happy. -- SlimJim Talk 15:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Picking through this section, let me make sure I get all the names. To Cassianto, Dr. Blofeld, SchroCat, Tim riley; please allow me to offer an olive branch in an attempt to quell this kerfuffle. If I have offended, I sincerely apologize. This issue is not worth disrupting the work that I enjoy doing here. I assume that each of you get satisfaction as well in what you do. I will take this as a lesson in that the tone has changed during the break I took from editing in the last few years. That is not meant as a criticism, it’s either my faulty recollection or just the way it is. -- SlimJim Talk 06:03, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
SlimJim what you appear not to realize is that we have to put up with the same thing in dozens of articles throughout the year. It becomes a tedious bore, so that's why we might seem a little aggressive to you because it's another "OH NOT AGAIN" scenario, somebody trying to force an infobox.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:14, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone realize that the infobox I just added is different from the infobox provided here? sst ✈ 10:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I came here to find out how old she was, and it'd be easier if I didn't have to work it out from her date of birth. I have slight dyscalculia and infoboxes that include a person's age make life a lot easier for me. 2.219.97.182 ( talk) 20:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
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@SchroCat, could you please get the bio information to display Cardinale's age based on her birth date?
I added the InfoBox so the age would be displayed with her bio information. I was not aware the InfoBox was being endlessly debated here.
I'm not asking you re-add the InfoBox. Just show her current age with her bio information, like birthdate.
Thanks. Jeffrey Walton ( talk) 08:38, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I have reverted the recent addition of an infobox by an IP. I am doing this simply because there was previously consensus not to include a box, the primary contributors to the box did not want one, and while editors do not own articles and people should just be bold and do stuff, I can't help thinking that the purpose of this edit was not entirely based on an intrinsic desire to improve the article. If you're going to take bold actions, I'd like you to log in and be accountable for them. If you're worried about being personally attacked for simply adding an infobox, you have my sympathies - email me and we can discuss things.
I also want to make it clear that I have no objection to any editor in good standing re-adding the infobox back in, and my actions here are because of the way things have been done, not what. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)