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Oh dear. I really wish I had read the Talk page first, before diving into this so boldly and spending so much time. A lesson to me. Again. Okay, well...I started out interested in Shoshoni people...Got sidetracked <somehow> into the Eastern Woodland section. I went ahead & posted my changes, finally, just to save the work, but there seem to be some confusing partial overlaps surrounding the Wappinger Wappani, Wappani Confederacy ? and Munsee and Quinnipiac and Mahicans of the Classification of indigenous peoples of the Americas#Northeast Woodland. Feel free to revert it entire before I tangle up the previous work hopelessly. Here are my major stumpers:
Lenape led me to Metoac, which confuses things further still, and according to talk page there, may be completely(?) BS due to Silas Wood source. last gem on its talk page: "in fact, most want it ignored in the hopes it will largely be ignored on Wikipedia by readers"
That's a lot of questions, I know. I am still not entirely clear on my understanding of THIS talk page's directional pointing. I obviously need a primer on sorting out my headspace into people, places, and languages...but I appear to be in interesting company. So...how much damage and how much help did I really do? =) Duff ( talk) 19:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The Handbook of South American Indians Volume 4 The Circum-Caribbean Tribes, obviously, classifies the Circum-Caribbean 'tribes' as South American. This definition of Circum-Caribbean includes Central America from the southern edge of the Mayan culture area in Honduras through Panama and along the Pacific Coast of Colombia, northwest South America, consisting of much of Colombia and Venezuela, and the Antilles. I propose then to move the Circum-Caribbean section from North America to South America in the article. Does anyone know of a reliable source that would support a different way of placing or otherwise organizing this section? -- Donald Albury 04:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I cannot find consensus in English-language literature about the best way to divide South American cultural areas. There was some discussion about this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. Talks with User:Diego Grez yielded the following proposed cultural areas:
Are there further suggestions? Currently the Amazon is divided into three sections - could these be united? They are fairly small in comparison with other sections. Any thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 04:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Let me take that back. Steward's classification of cultural areas in the tropical forests and savannas is given at the end of vol. 3, [ here]. So, an undivided Amazonian area seems best, including the Guianas, Montaña, Mato Grosso and eastern Bolivia and the Amazonian Tupi. The Tupi of coastal and southernmost Brazil I guess need to be listed separately. There are also various "marginal" and "sub-marginal" groups scattered throughout the Amazonian area. Eastern and southeastern Brazil, aside from the Brazilian Highlands and coastal Tupi areas, makes a convenient area. So, outside the Andes, I would say Circum-Caribbean, Amazonian, Brazilian Highlands, coastal Tupi, an area of uncertain name covering eastern and southern interior Brazil and Paraguay and adjacent areas, and the Southern Cone. One question is what did National Geographic base their classification on? It also sounds like NAMI used geographical criteria as well as cultural affinities to classify areas. It is unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be a scholarly consensus on these cultural areas. -- Donald Albury 14:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
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Per AP, Chicago, and CBC style guides, Indigenous is capitalized when referring to ethnicity/peoples. If there's no substantial objection, I'm going to move the page so it aligns with the other Indigenous pages on WP. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Is there a better name we could use for this? I just find it... reminiscent of older, anthro things like cataloguing species of plants and animals. It doesn't feel respectful or up to date. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
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Oh dear. I really wish I had read the Talk page first, before diving into this so boldly and spending so much time. A lesson to me. Again. Okay, well...I started out interested in Shoshoni people...Got sidetracked <somehow> into the Eastern Woodland section. I went ahead & posted my changes, finally, just to save the work, but there seem to be some confusing partial overlaps surrounding the Wappinger Wappani, Wappani Confederacy ? and Munsee and Quinnipiac and Mahicans of the Classification of indigenous peoples of the Americas#Northeast Woodland. Feel free to revert it entire before I tangle up the previous work hopelessly. Here are my major stumpers:
Lenape led me to Metoac, which confuses things further still, and according to talk page there, may be completely(?) BS due to Silas Wood source. last gem on its talk page: "in fact, most want it ignored in the hopes it will largely be ignored on Wikipedia by readers"
That's a lot of questions, I know. I am still not entirely clear on my understanding of THIS talk page's directional pointing. I obviously need a primer on sorting out my headspace into people, places, and languages...but I appear to be in interesting company. So...how much damage and how much help did I really do? =) Duff ( talk) 19:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The Handbook of South American Indians Volume 4 The Circum-Caribbean Tribes, obviously, classifies the Circum-Caribbean 'tribes' as South American. This definition of Circum-Caribbean includes Central America from the southern edge of the Mayan culture area in Honduras through Panama and along the Pacific Coast of Colombia, northwest South America, consisting of much of Colombia and Venezuela, and the Antilles. I propose then to move the Circum-Caribbean section from North America to South America in the article. Does anyone know of a reliable source that would support a different way of placing or otherwise organizing this section? -- Donald Albury 04:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I cannot find consensus in English-language literature about the best way to divide South American cultural areas. There was some discussion about this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. Talks with User:Diego Grez yielded the following proposed cultural areas:
Are there further suggestions? Currently the Amazon is divided into three sections - could these be united? They are fairly small in comparison with other sections. Any thoughts and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 04:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Let me take that back. Steward's classification of cultural areas in the tropical forests and savannas is given at the end of vol. 3, [ here]. So, an undivided Amazonian area seems best, including the Guianas, Montaña, Mato Grosso and eastern Bolivia and the Amazonian Tupi. The Tupi of coastal and southernmost Brazil I guess need to be listed separately. There are also various "marginal" and "sub-marginal" groups scattered throughout the Amazonian area. Eastern and southeastern Brazil, aside from the Brazilian Highlands and coastal Tupi areas, makes a convenient area. So, outside the Andes, I would say Circum-Caribbean, Amazonian, Brazilian Highlands, coastal Tupi, an area of uncertain name covering eastern and southern interior Brazil and Paraguay and adjacent areas, and the Southern Cone. One question is what did National Geographic base their classification on? It also sounds like NAMI used geographical criteria as well as cultural affinities to classify areas. It is unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be a scholarly consensus on these cultural areas. -- Donald Albury 14:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
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Is there a better name we could use for this? I just find it... reminiscent of older, anthro things like cataloguing species of plants and animals. It doesn't feel respectful or up to date. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:02, 9 September 2023 (UTC)