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As per discussion, this article has been merged with Superman. The old talk page has been archived at Talk:Superman
The footnote suggests that the middle name of "Jerome" might be a reference to Jerry Siegel. But it doesn't suggest that the more commonly used "Joseph" might refer to Joe Shuster. Any reason why this is less likely? Daibhid C 22:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that the name Clark Joseph Kent is to the comics, while Clark Jerome Kent is to the other media. Leader Vladimir — Preceding undated comment added 18:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see a citation. I don't recall ever seeing Clark's middle name in the comic books. In fact, I remember an editor's note from the late 1960s (which I will find and cite if requested) that said Clark has no middle name. WaxTadpole ( talk) 18:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
And regarding the name itself, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster stated in an interview published in NEMO: the Classic Comics Library #2 (1983) that Clark Kent was named for movie actors Clark Gable and Kent Taylor (who happened to be Jerry's wife's brother-in-law), and his appearance was based on comedian Harold Lloyd. Though Jerry and Joe were both longtime pulp fans, they made no mention of Doc Savage or the Shadow. WaxTadpole ( talk) 19:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I've changed this paragraph:
Some fans have noted that in order for the disguise to be credible, Clark has to be at least as skilled an actor as Christopher Reeve(Or, more modernly, Brandon Routh. The actor's portrayal of Clark in the feature film series was praised for making the disguise's effectiveness credible to audiences (though not all fans embraced it as warmly). According to the 2004 limited series Superman: Birthright (which retells Superman's origin), young Clark Kent studies the Meisner technique so that he can seamlessly move between his Clark and Superman personas.
To this: Some fans have noted that in order for the disguise to be credible, Clark has to be at least as skilled an actor as Christopher Reeve. The actor's portrayal of Clark in the feature film series was praised for making the disguise's effectiveness credible to audiences (though not all fans embraced it as warmly). According to the 2004 limited series Superman: Birthright (which retells Superman's origin), young Clark Kent studies the Meisner technique so that he can seamlessly move between his Clark and Superman personas. In the 2006 feature film, Brandon Routh's performance echoes Reeve's.
My reasons are two. First, the original placement of the Brandon Routh reference disrupts the flow of thought of the paragraph, making it unclear who is being referred to in "The actor's portrayal of Clark." Second, "modernly" is not a word.
Should we add a character history featuring Clark Kent's exploits during 52 (comics)? ACS (Wikipedian) [[User talk:Ace Class Shadow]] 20:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
No other hero has a separate page for their secret identity. Batman and Bruce Wayne are the same article, Wonder Woman and Princess Diana are the same page. This page is frivolous and should be completely merged with the Superman page. There is no pertinent reason for this page to exist on its own.
DarthAlbin 03:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Why are we worried about why this page exist? Are we running out of internet? Leave it where it is, its insightful if nothing else. As to who is he really? I see it like this. "Metro-Clark" is a watered down version of the true Clark Kent, Kal-El is the original part of himself, the birth identity that all adoped children have. Its who they were, who they might have been if only but, not REALLY who they are. Superman? Superman is the TRUEST expression of who Clark Kent really is. He's a man raised in the heartland with the morals of a 5th generation farming family. In the Heartland , out among the wheat fields, you're liable to see 1 neighbor who has, helping another neighbor who doesn't. In that tradition, taken to the extreme that Clark's abundance of ability has over those of us without, considering his upbringing and where he was raised, it would only be natural for him to help when, where and how he can and Superman allows him to be all that he can to everyone he can. While Kal-El is who he was born as and "Metro-Clark" allows him a personal life and loved ones, Superman is the alias that the true Clark Kent has taken to be who he was raised to be.
I wasn't aware Superman had a personality, now people come and say he has two? -- 200.62.131.14 ( talk) 15:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe the article needs a lot more citations, but I oppose a merge for two reasons: (1) "The Private Life of Clark Kent" ran as a separate series in Action Comics, Superman, and Superman Family. There were 46 installments published between 1972 and 1982 (source: www.comics.org). An attempt to create a similar series for Bruce Wayne was aborted after two installments. I'm not aware of any other superhero having a recurring feature devoted to his alter ego. (2) There were two issues of DC Comics Presents (#50 & 79) featuring team-ups of Superman and Clark Kent. Clark even had his own logo on the covers. Again, there's been no other superhero considered different enough from his alter ego to justify a cover-billed "team-up." WaxTadpole ( talk) 19:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I was just wondering this same question myself! As for the "certain things are covered here that aren't covered on the Superman page" argument... could the info being covered here and not there not just be added there? Having two pages for one character just seems odd? Cebr1979 ( talk) 03:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I've added a lot more to the Smallville section of the page. If you read through it you may agree with me on the fact that it'll need editing over time but please don't delete it or ruin it. Son of Kong 04:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I know that last comment was a long time ago, but don't post anything on Wikipedia if you do not want it edited. Anyway, this Smallville section is very long and does not focus so much on the Clark Kent identity like the rest of the article - it seems to be an ovely detailed synopsis of the series so far. This is unnecessary and can be achieved by a link to the Smallville page.
All that is relevant is some of the traits section. I may have a go at pruning this. Nda98 20:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a considerable amount of original research in this article without citations. This needs to be rectified in order for this article to continue to exist independent of Superman. Netkinetic | T / C / @ 17:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Look Guys, Superman is the same as Spider-Man, Batman, Captain Marvel, Plastic Man, And The Martian Manhunter, they're all equal. This page should not exist, and should not be mentioned anywhere else, And also Anakin And Darth Vader are a diferent Thing, And Kal L is not the same person, He's from a different universe, clark and superman are the same identity in the same universe. You guys are all wrong. Really. So please erase this for good, once and For All. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.116.172.70 ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 19 July 2007
The cop snaps, "Yeah, and I'm gonna give you a red 'S' and a black 'I' if you don't come out of that phone booth!"
68.62.227.73 02:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Black i s a blck eye. the S is refering the one on supermans chest, J ( talk) 17:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
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Merge or not? Really I see no reason not to merge it (Its not lack of net space merging it, once merged it would weigh the same as both separated, with slight differences in weight as redundance might be avoided now and then. The importance of keeping them together is so those searchign for either data to find it in a single cohesive piece) but I read the decision was to make a merge yet I see no single merger inthis theme. Undead Herle King ( talk) 05:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Can somebody answer it? Because the discussion closed so fast that nobody had the chance to answer. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 14:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
There is a lot of lose talk about "canon" (see my comments at Talk:Canon (fiction)) and statements like "Other concepts have become the current accepted canon in most modern versions of the Superman myth" raise red flags.
Establishing what is and isn't canon is often a sport for fans and without well sourced statements that there is an actual canon and that this is part of it then it is just reporting speculation and is pretty much original research. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC))
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I'm not sure if this warrants inclusion, but I distinctly remembering reading one explanation about how Kent manages to be so distinguishable from Superman, based on the idea that Superman's facial structure (and perhaps his physique in general), was more defined and muscular compared to that of Kent's. I'm not sure if this is conveyed in any of the comics, or how exactly Superman would manage to pull it off, but that explanation is out there, and probably makes the most logical sense compared to the others, although that's obviously a matter of opinion. Km9000 ( talk) 06:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
> The dual identity was explained a long time ago by its Jewish creators: Superman needs no disguise because he represents the Jew in society; you dont know a person is a Jew unless he reveals it. You may suspect it, but you can't know for sure. Superman is also a Noahide. The Kryptonian names are all Hebrew names; El = God etc. [Fivish UK]
I've always thought the reason most people, Lois, Jimmy, and Perry aside, don't know Clark's secret is most people only know Clark as a byline and Superman as someone seen in the sky way overhead. Ztyran ( talk) 16:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Re : ===Knowledge of the secret identity===
In one memorable story from the early 1960s, Superman is expected to meet Clark Kent at some public event, and cannot avoid it. Circumstances rule out his usual tricks, e.g., he can't get a Superman robot loose, and his pal Batman can't show up disguised as Kent. But Clark does appear, and saves the day and the secret identity. What gives? Clark is subsequently revealed to be the President of the U.S., John F. Kennedy, in a rubber mask. Turns out that the Chief Executive can be trusted with the secret. (Your guess is as good as mine whether Johnson, Nixon, etc. got the same privileges.)
WHPratt (
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06:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I see no reson to merge,I mean it talks alot about the Superman/Clark kent identity issue. So i hope nobody tries to merge it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.238.43 ( talk) 13:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I wish I could have done all this in fewer intermediate edits, but it's done now.
In the previous version there was a section Debate over true identity with a subsection In other media. Much material in the separate Reeve movies section belonged in the Debate over true identity but wasn't situated in there, while material in the debate subsection In other media was not about the debate at all.
Therefore, I've made In other media a top-level section- no longer a subsection of the debate section- and put all the stuff about the films and Smallville into it. Material from those sections that belonged in the Debate over true identity section has been relocated there.
There was no discussion at all about George Reeve's very distinctive portrayal of Clark Kent in the 1950s, and I think Dean Cain could have gotten one or two more sentences than he did. Nor was there any discussion of contrast and comparison between different TV/film portrayals of Kent, which I've added to the up-promoted In other media section.
So I've reshuffled a lot of this, but hopefully in an orderly way. I couldn't figure out a good place for the Bill Cosby album stuff- it's currently not there at all. It certainly didn't belong in the Debate over true identity section, but I'm not sure where to put it.
Regards,
-- WickerGuy ( talk) 03:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
The DVD commentary on the Superman movie overtly refers to the deliberate use of quasi-Biblical imagery. Perhaps I should have cited this, but I thought it was broadly recognized by the public. The DVD of the theatrical version has a commentary by two of the original three producers (the younger Salkind and Pierre Spengler). The DVD of the slightly expanded cut has a commentary by the original director and one of the (uncredited) screenwriters (Donner and Mankiewicz). I've heard both but only the first of these recently, and it's the one which spells this out. Perhaps the other one mentions it as well. I think Christopher Reeve has talked about it in interviews as well.
Furthermore a lot of commentary on the Jewish origins of Superman (Siegel and Shuster) has actually complained about the Reeve movie's quasi-Christian symbolism, given that the Man of Steel's creators were Jewish and if anything saw their hero as more Moses-like than Christ-like. There are in fact two full-length books on the Jewish origins of Superman as well as multiple articles in Jewish publications. They all assume as a given that the Reeve films incorporated quasi-Christian imagery. I could try hunting these down as references as well.
I tend to go on the assumption that if I've read something in more than five sources then it is sufficiently common knowledge as to not require citation. I could be wrong, especially of all of the sources are quite specialized.
In the case of material on George Reeves, I cited specific episodes to back me up, although Wikipedia prefers that third-party rather than primary sources be used. (Episodes of the series would be considered a primary source and therefore not fully adequate.)
Regards, -- WickerGuy ( talk) 07:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Never for plot summaries. Not sure if I wrote that of it's one of the leftovers from an earlier version. I think I would have checked.-- WickerGuy ( talk) 05:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
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Could anyone help me understand why the phrase, "Some fans have noted that in order for the disguise to be credible, Clark has to be at least as skilled an actor as Christopher Reeve" catches my eye as inappropriate? I really can't place it, it seems both like fanboyism and a statement that requires a citation to clarify who these "Some fans" are.
Thanks in advance,
Soly ( talk) 20:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
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I see that Clark Kent was merged into Superman. I still believe it is possible for there to be a standalone article based on the persona. Copying my comment from here:
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As per discussion, this article has been merged with Superman. The old talk page has been archived at Talk:Superman
The footnote suggests that the middle name of "Jerome" might be a reference to Jerry Siegel. But it doesn't suggest that the more commonly used "Joseph" might refer to Joe Shuster. Any reason why this is less likely? Daibhid C 22:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that the name Clark Joseph Kent is to the comics, while Clark Jerome Kent is to the other media. Leader Vladimir — Preceding undated comment added 18:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see a citation. I don't recall ever seeing Clark's middle name in the comic books. In fact, I remember an editor's note from the late 1960s (which I will find and cite if requested) that said Clark has no middle name. WaxTadpole ( talk) 18:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
And regarding the name itself, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster stated in an interview published in NEMO: the Classic Comics Library #2 (1983) that Clark Kent was named for movie actors Clark Gable and Kent Taylor (who happened to be Jerry's wife's brother-in-law), and his appearance was based on comedian Harold Lloyd. Though Jerry and Joe were both longtime pulp fans, they made no mention of Doc Savage or the Shadow. WaxTadpole ( talk) 19:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I've changed this paragraph:
Some fans have noted that in order for the disguise to be credible, Clark has to be at least as skilled an actor as Christopher Reeve(Or, more modernly, Brandon Routh. The actor's portrayal of Clark in the feature film series was praised for making the disguise's effectiveness credible to audiences (though not all fans embraced it as warmly). According to the 2004 limited series Superman: Birthright (which retells Superman's origin), young Clark Kent studies the Meisner technique so that he can seamlessly move between his Clark and Superman personas.
To this: Some fans have noted that in order for the disguise to be credible, Clark has to be at least as skilled an actor as Christopher Reeve. The actor's portrayal of Clark in the feature film series was praised for making the disguise's effectiveness credible to audiences (though not all fans embraced it as warmly). According to the 2004 limited series Superman: Birthright (which retells Superman's origin), young Clark Kent studies the Meisner technique so that he can seamlessly move between his Clark and Superman personas. In the 2006 feature film, Brandon Routh's performance echoes Reeve's.
My reasons are two. First, the original placement of the Brandon Routh reference disrupts the flow of thought of the paragraph, making it unclear who is being referred to in "The actor's portrayal of Clark." Second, "modernly" is not a word.
Should we add a character history featuring Clark Kent's exploits during 52 (comics)? ACS (Wikipedian) [[User talk:Ace Class Shadow]] 20:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
No other hero has a separate page for their secret identity. Batman and Bruce Wayne are the same article, Wonder Woman and Princess Diana are the same page. This page is frivolous and should be completely merged with the Superman page. There is no pertinent reason for this page to exist on its own.
DarthAlbin 03:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Why are we worried about why this page exist? Are we running out of internet? Leave it where it is, its insightful if nothing else. As to who is he really? I see it like this. "Metro-Clark" is a watered down version of the true Clark Kent, Kal-El is the original part of himself, the birth identity that all adoped children have. Its who they were, who they might have been if only but, not REALLY who they are. Superman? Superman is the TRUEST expression of who Clark Kent really is. He's a man raised in the heartland with the morals of a 5th generation farming family. In the Heartland , out among the wheat fields, you're liable to see 1 neighbor who has, helping another neighbor who doesn't. In that tradition, taken to the extreme that Clark's abundance of ability has over those of us without, considering his upbringing and where he was raised, it would only be natural for him to help when, where and how he can and Superman allows him to be all that he can to everyone he can. While Kal-El is who he was born as and "Metro-Clark" allows him a personal life and loved ones, Superman is the alias that the true Clark Kent has taken to be who he was raised to be.
I wasn't aware Superman had a personality, now people come and say he has two? -- 200.62.131.14 ( talk) 15:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe the article needs a lot more citations, but I oppose a merge for two reasons: (1) "The Private Life of Clark Kent" ran as a separate series in Action Comics, Superman, and Superman Family. There were 46 installments published between 1972 and 1982 (source: www.comics.org). An attempt to create a similar series for Bruce Wayne was aborted after two installments. I'm not aware of any other superhero having a recurring feature devoted to his alter ego. (2) There were two issues of DC Comics Presents (#50 & 79) featuring team-ups of Superman and Clark Kent. Clark even had his own logo on the covers. Again, there's been no other superhero considered different enough from his alter ego to justify a cover-billed "team-up." WaxTadpole ( talk) 19:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I was just wondering this same question myself! As for the "certain things are covered here that aren't covered on the Superman page" argument... could the info being covered here and not there not just be added there? Having two pages for one character just seems odd? Cebr1979 ( talk) 03:49, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I've added a lot more to the Smallville section of the page. If you read through it you may agree with me on the fact that it'll need editing over time but please don't delete it or ruin it. Son of Kong 04:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I know that last comment was a long time ago, but don't post anything on Wikipedia if you do not want it edited. Anyway, this Smallville section is very long and does not focus so much on the Clark Kent identity like the rest of the article - it seems to be an ovely detailed synopsis of the series so far. This is unnecessary and can be achieved by a link to the Smallville page.
All that is relevant is some of the traits section. I may have a go at pruning this. Nda98 20:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a considerable amount of original research in this article without citations. This needs to be rectified in order for this article to continue to exist independent of Superman. Netkinetic | T / C / @ 17:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Look Guys, Superman is the same as Spider-Man, Batman, Captain Marvel, Plastic Man, And The Martian Manhunter, they're all equal. This page should not exist, and should not be mentioned anywhere else, And also Anakin And Darth Vader are a diferent Thing, And Kal L is not the same person, He's from a different universe, clark and superman are the same identity in the same universe. You guys are all wrong. Really. So please erase this for good, once and For All. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.116.172.70 ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 19 July 2007
The cop snaps, "Yeah, and I'm gonna give you a red 'S' and a black 'I' if you don't come out of that phone booth!"
68.62.227.73 02:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Black i s a blck eye. the S is refering the one on supermans chest, J ( talk) 17:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 08:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge or not? Really I see no reason not to merge it (Its not lack of net space merging it, once merged it would weigh the same as both separated, with slight differences in weight as redundance might be avoided now and then. The importance of keeping them together is so those searchign for either data to find it in a single cohesive piece) but I read the decision was to make a merge yet I see no single merger inthis theme. Undead Herle King ( talk) 05:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Can somebody answer it? Because the discussion closed so fast that nobody had the chance to answer. TheBlazikenMaster ( talk) 14:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
There is a lot of lose talk about "canon" (see my comments at Talk:Canon (fiction)) and statements like "Other concepts have become the current accepted canon in most modern versions of the Superman myth" raise red flags.
Establishing what is and isn't canon is often a sport for fans and without well sourced statements that there is an actual canon and that this is part of it then it is just reporting speculation and is pretty much original research. ( Emperor ( talk) 17:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC))
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I'm not sure if this warrants inclusion, but I distinctly remembering reading one explanation about how Kent manages to be so distinguishable from Superman, based on the idea that Superman's facial structure (and perhaps his physique in general), was more defined and muscular compared to that of Kent's. I'm not sure if this is conveyed in any of the comics, or how exactly Superman would manage to pull it off, but that explanation is out there, and probably makes the most logical sense compared to the others, although that's obviously a matter of opinion. Km9000 ( talk) 06:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
> The dual identity was explained a long time ago by its Jewish creators: Superman needs no disguise because he represents the Jew in society; you dont know a person is a Jew unless he reveals it. You may suspect it, but you can't know for sure. Superman is also a Noahide. The Kryptonian names are all Hebrew names; El = God etc. [Fivish UK]
I've always thought the reason most people, Lois, Jimmy, and Perry aside, don't know Clark's secret is most people only know Clark as a byline and Superman as someone seen in the sky way overhead. Ztyran ( talk) 16:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Re : ===Knowledge of the secret identity===
In one memorable story from the early 1960s, Superman is expected to meet Clark Kent at some public event, and cannot avoid it. Circumstances rule out his usual tricks, e.g., he can't get a Superman robot loose, and his pal Batman can't show up disguised as Kent. But Clark does appear, and saves the day and the secret identity. What gives? Clark is subsequently revealed to be the President of the U.S., John F. Kennedy, in a rubber mask. Turns out that the Chief Executive can be trusted with the secret. (Your guess is as good as mine whether Johnson, Nixon, etc. got the same privileges.)
WHPratt (
talk)
06:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I see no reson to merge,I mean it talks alot about the Superman/Clark kent identity issue. So i hope nobody tries to merge it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.238.43 ( talk) 13:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I wish I could have done all this in fewer intermediate edits, but it's done now.
In the previous version there was a section Debate over true identity with a subsection In other media. Much material in the separate Reeve movies section belonged in the Debate over true identity but wasn't situated in there, while material in the debate subsection In other media was not about the debate at all.
Therefore, I've made In other media a top-level section- no longer a subsection of the debate section- and put all the stuff about the films and Smallville into it. Material from those sections that belonged in the Debate over true identity section has been relocated there.
There was no discussion at all about George Reeve's very distinctive portrayal of Clark Kent in the 1950s, and I think Dean Cain could have gotten one or two more sentences than he did. Nor was there any discussion of contrast and comparison between different TV/film portrayals of Kent, which I've added to the up-promoted In other media section.
So I've reshuffled a lot of this, but hopefully in an orderly way. I couldn't figure out a good place for the Bill Cosby album stuff- it's currently not there at all. It certainly didn't belong in the Debate over true identity section, but I'm not sure where to put it.
Regards,
-- WickerGuy ( talk) 03:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
The DVD commentary on the Superman movie overtly refers to the deliberate use of quasi-Biblical imagery. Perhaps I should have cited this, but I thought it was broadly recognized by the public. The DVD of the theatrical version has a commentary by two of the original three producers (the younger Salkind and Pierre Spengler). The DVD of the slightly expanded cut has a commentary by the original director and one of the (uncredited) screenwriters (Donner and Mankiewicz). I've heard both but only the first of these recently, and it's the one which spells this out. Perhaps the other one mentions it as well. I think Christopher Reeve has talked about it in interviews as well.
Furthermore a lot of commentary on the Jewish origins of Superman (Siegel and Shuster) has actually complained about the Reeve movie's quasi-Christian symbolism, given that the Man of Steel's creators were Jewish and if anything saw their hero as more Moses-like than Christ-like. There are in fact two full-length books on the Jewish origins of Superman as well as multiple articles in Jewish publications. They all assume as a given that the Reeve films incorporated quasi-Christian imagery. I could try hunting these down as references as well.
I tend to go on the assumption that if I've read something in more than five sources then it is sufficiently common knowledge as to not require citation. I could be wrong, especially of all of the sources are quite specialized.
In the case of material on George Reeves, I cited specific episodes to back me up, although Wikipedia prefers that third-party rather than primary sources be used. (Episodes of the series would be considered a primary source and therefore not fully adequate.)
Regards, -- WickerGuy ( talk) 07:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Never for plot summaries. Not sure if I wrote that of it's one of the leftovers from an earlier version. I think I would have checked.-- WickerGuy ( talk) 05:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
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Could anyone help me understand why the phrase, "Some fans have noted that in order for the disguise to be credible, Clark has to be at least as skilled an actor as Christopher Reeve" catches my eye as inappropriate? I really can't place it, it seems both like fanboyism and a statement that requires a citation to clarify who these "Some fans" are.
Thanks in advance,
Soly ( talk) 20:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The non-free use of this image in the article is being discussed at WP:NFCR#File:Clarksupescompare.jpg. All interested editors are welcome to participate. - Marchjuly ( talk) 02:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
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I see that Clark Kent was merged into Superman. I still believe it is possible for there to be a standalone article based on the persona. Copying my comment from here:
Thanks, Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 22:35, 12 February 2020 (UTC)