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I was looking at the clarinet page in order to gain a better insight as to what makes a Good Article for musical instruments but was sad to see that the page is currently in a fairly bad state. The first half of the article is decent even if there are a few MOS errors (referencing other sections and some awkward prose), but the second half (from "Usage and repertoire" down) is sorely in need of more reliable references and some major rewrites. The prose also has a habit of not explaining the more technical terms for the layman reader (e.g., meantone, ligature), just simply linking another article. Thoughts? Why? I Ask ( talk) 20:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Why? I Ask: Regarding this edit: the article does not have an entirely consistent style with regards to either proposed addition, but there are more book refs that exclude both location and OCLC than include either. Nikkimaria ( talk) 03:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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should not be used for single-page referencesThere is nothing against using postal abbreviations.Yes there is.
I don't see a reason the the citation bot should be blocked.I do - it adds unhelpful spam, among other problems.
I know he's the editor, but editor names are generally what is cited.There are separate parameters for that - it shouldn't be using author parameters. Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I have taken several hours to revise and expand the "History" section. Because the history of the development of the clarinet does not stop in 1843. An encyclopaedia must do more here. Then I asked another author who knows a lot about clarinets to take a look at my draft, which you can see here User:Gisbert K/sandbox3. Afterwards I published the text with an additional size of almost 6000 byte, on 8 December, 16:31 h
On 10 December, 5:08 h, you, the User:Nikkimaria, undifferentiatedly completely undid my work, simply by clicking the "undo" button several times, without discussing it first. I see this as an act of unkind behaviour. Your terse justification for undoing my extensive works " (rv: largely unsourced or unreliably sourced)" does not apply .For the period after 1843 I have listed 2 significant and each extensive sources:
1: Thomas Reil and Dr. Enrico Weller, both recognised musicologists, with their 150-page book on the clarinet maker Oskar Oehler, which is in my possession, and of which an excerpt translation into English has been posted on the internet, which I have cited.
2. a dissertation by Dr. Stephanie Angloher, published in full on the net and frequently cited, a scientific work on the various clarinet systems amounting to 280 pages.
These two sources of a high standard are already sufficient, yet I have now added some minor sources as an afterthought. In this form I would like to re-post the text. . After all, the English article Clarinet should once again be given the title of "good article"! (The German article, of which I am the main author, even belongs to the "excellent" articles) This cannot be done without thorough revisions and extensions. Everyone who works on this should be welcome. And if an extension should indeed have deficiencies, everyone can contribute to an improvement, e.g. by adding to the sources instead of simply deleting the extension. - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 18:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
After Nikkimaria shortened the History section by 2300 bytes last night, it is now a torso. This is not the way to regain the title of "good article".
By the way: I am with a 37% share the main author of the German article "Klarinette", which is awarded as an "excellent article".
- Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 05:26, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I have thoroughly revised my additions to this section, which I presented at the beginning of December, and have substantiated almost all statements with reabile sources. In this form I introduced them into the article Clarinet on 5 and 6 January. After minor corrections by User:Special-T, the History section was now informative, essentially complete and easy to read, and did not need any more changes.
Then, on both evenings or in the following nights, the user Nikkimaria appeared and took possession of my work by deleting most of the original text and - without any gain for the article - replacing it with her own formulations of the same content. In addition, she deleted some sentences containing important or at least useful information.
In detail:
Changes from 5.1.
Changes 1. and 2. There was no need for these changes to the text. The other wording of the same content is not an improvement. In addition, the deletion of the last two sentences irritates the reader, who knows from the previous text that there is still a 3rd register and who wonders at this point how it came about.
Change 3 Here, under the pretext of an inadequate source, an important piece of information has been deleted which the reader expects at this point. At the beginning it said : "At this time, contrary to modern practice, the reed was placed in contact with the upper lip." Here it was listed when and how and why this was changed. The allegedly inadequate source is a publication of the Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts, which is absolutely reputable, secondary literature with numerous references to original literature
Changes 4-6 Again, my text is rewritten without profit for the article, furthermore useful information is deleted.
Changes 7.1.2023
Again unnecessary rewording and arbitrary cuts of useful information for the reader.
By unnecessary rewording, the person concerned "steals" the creative effort of the author, because in the statistics the new sentences or paragraphs are not attributed to the author but to the person who deletes the author's texts and replaces them with other texts with the same content, an unfair practice.
Therefore, with some changes, I restore the state of the texts after the corrections by Special-T. - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 15:12, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Taken from this version, with annotations added inline. Nikkimaria ( talk) 23:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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The clarinet arose at the beginning of the 18th century when the German instrument maker Johann Christoph Denner (or possibly his son Jacob Denner) [1] equipped a chalumeau in the alto register [2] with two keys, one of which enabled access to a higher register. This second register did not begin an octave above the first, as with other woodwind instruments, but started an octave and a perfect fifth higher than the first. A second key, at the top, extended the range of the first register to A4 and, together with the register key, to B♭4. Later, Denner lengthened the bell and provided it with a third key to extend the pitch range down to E3. [1]. The resulting range has remained the standard for clarinets. The lower register from E3 to B♭4 was called the chalumeau register and the second register from B4 to C6 the clarion register. needs copy edit ???
A third register, the altissimo, developed as unknown clarinetists used special fingerings to play notes up to G6, and later up to D7. citation needed when? 20. January
After Denner's innovations, other makers added keys to improve
tuning and facilitate fingerings and the chalumeau fell into disuse. The clarinet of the
Classical period, as used by
Mozart, typically had five keys.
[3] Mozart suggested extending the clarinet downwards by four semitones to C3, which resulted in the
basset clarinet that was about 18 centimetres (7.1 in) longer, made first by Theodor Lotz.
[4] In 1789 Mozart composed the
Quintet for Clarinet and String Quartet and founded a new genre with it: the
clarinet quintet
[5]
vague
citation needed Done In 1792 he composed the
Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra in A major for this instrument, with passages ranging down to C3.
[6] Clarinets were soon accepted into orchestras
needs copy edit, and by the time of
Beethoven (
c. 1780–1820), the clarinet was a fixed member in the orchestra.
[7]
The functionality and therefore the potential number of keys with felt pads was limited because they did not seal tightly. German clarinetist and master clarinet maker Iwan Müller remedied this by countersinking the tone holes for the keys and covering the pads with soft leather. [8] This made it possible to equip the instrument with considerably more keys. In 1812 Müller presented a clarinet with seven finger holes and thirteen keys, which he called "clarinet omnitonic" since it was capable of playing in all keys. It was no longer necessary to use differently tuned clarinets for a different keys. [3] This clarinet become gradually the worldwide standard. citation needed
Müller is also considered the inventor of the metal ligature and the thumb rest. [9] With the added stability of the thumb rest, clarinetists began to orient the mouthpiece with the reed resting on the lower lip. [10] [11]As can be seen from the above drawing, Stadler already used this type of embrochure. original research?
Müller's inventions also revolutionised the design of other woodwind instruments. attribution needed In the late 1830s, [12] German flute maker Theobald Böhm invented a ring and axle key system, which he first employed on the transverse flute, but which was then adopted by other woodwind instrument makers. In this system, when a finger covers a tone hole it also pushes down a metal ring flush with the top of the hole. The ring sits on an axle on which other rings and pads are mounted, causing them to close. [13]
This key system was first used on the clarinet between 1839 and 1843 failed verification by the French clarinetist Hyacinthe Klosé, in collaboration with instrument maker Louis Auguste Buffet. They made other changes to the clarinet, resulting in a new instrument with different fingerings and a different inner bore failed verification, which produced a different sound. One significant change was the addition of new keys for the two little fingers on the lower joint, providing redundant fingerings for certain notes. The inventors called this the Boehm clarinet, although Böhm was not involved in its development. The standard Boehm clarinet has 17 keys and 6 rings. [14] unreliable source?
End of the 1840s needs copy edit, the Belgian Eugène Albert transferred the Boehm ring key system to the Müller clarinet, with some changes to keywork. The Albert clarinet, known as the "simple system" [15], got 16 keys, 5 rings, and rollers on the keys intended for the little fingers. [16] It's sound is similar to the Boehm clarinet. [17] unreliable source?. The most important improvement of the Simple System is the "spectacle key" patented by Adolphe Sax, another improvment needs copy edit a "patent C sharp" key developed by Joseph Tyler which was also added to other clarinet models. [18] Improved versions of Albert clarinets were built in Belgium and France for export to the UK and the US. [19] From 1920 to 1940 Selmer Paris built an improved Albert clarinet, also called "Full-Albert" versus "Plain-Albert", with very good intonation and extended mechanics with 6 rings, 4 side trill keys, E-flat-lever and F-sharp/G-sharp-trill, which was played by many jazz clarinetists. [20] importance?
Around 1860, clarinettist Carl Baermann and instrument maker Georg Ottensteiner developed the patented Baermann/Ottensteiner clarinet, [21] a clarinet with 16 keys, four rings and four rollers, but in the tradition of the historic sound vague. [22] This instrument had new connecting levers, which made it possible to press many keys from several places. It was used from 1860 until about 1910 failed verification. [23]
The famous peacock prose Brahms clarinetist Richard Mühlfeld used this clarinet, [22] and the American clarinet soloist Charles Neidich has used a Baermann-Ottensteiner instrument for playing compositions by Brahms. [24]
In 1905, the German clarinettist and clarinet maker Oskar Oehler presented a clarinet with 22 keys, four rollers, five rings and a blind cover for the right index finger, under which there is no tone hole, but through which two keys on the right side of the lower joint are operated. [25] [26] The new clarinet was called the Oehler clarinet or German clarinet, while the Böhm clarinet has since been called the French clarinet. Since the 1950s, most top German clarinets are still equipped with a cup mechanism to improve the intonation of low E and F and are sometimes called "Full-Oehler" clarinets, even though this mechanism was not developed by Oehler importance?. [25] [27]
The French clarinet differs from the German not only in fingering but also in sound. The characteristic sound of the clarinet that had fascinated Mozart was lost editorializing. After conducting in France, Richard Strauss spoke of the nasal French clarinets. [28] At the end of the 1940s, German clarinet maker Fritz Wurlitzer, father of Herbert Wurlitzer, built failed verification a clarinet which involved the use of Boehm-system keywork in combination with a German mouthpiece and bore and with a sound approximating the German ideal. [29] The result was the Reform Boehm clarinet, which is still in production. [30]
Changes in manufacturers' drilling techniques and changes in playing technique have changed the "nasal" sound of the Boehm clarinet. Its sound has been described as sharper, richer in overtones and more flexible than the German clarinet sound, which has been called pure, sonorous and warm. [31] [32]
Other modifications to the basic Boehm system, the Full Boehm, Mazzeo, McIntyre, [33] and Benade NX System, [34] did not become common. citation needed
Outside of Germany and Austria, clarinets with the Boehm system are used almost exclusively today. In Eastern Europe the Oehler system was widespread until the middle of the 20th century, but was largely replaced by the Boehm system failed verification. In the Netherlands, the Reform Boehm system was important for a long time [35] but has gradually been replaced by the classic Boehm system. failed verification [36] For reasons of sound and intonation, the use of Oehler clarinets has continued in German and Austrian orchestras, including the Vienna Philharmonic and the Berlin Philharmonic), [37] while no German clarinets are used in French symphony orchestras failed verification. [38]
The Albert clarinet has been in common use in Britain since the second half of the 19th century failed verification. [39] These dominated jazz in its early days, [40] is still used in folk music in the Balkans and Turkey. needs copy edit
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It's clear there are significant issues around sourcing and verifiability that persist with this version, among other problems. Nikkimaria ( talk) 23:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
1. Section “Clarinet family”: Addition of the contra alto clarinet
2. New section “Tuning the clarinet”
3. New section “Sound effects”
4. Review: At the end, review the whole article and check whether the layout is optimal or whether the sequence of individual sections should be changed - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 15:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
we have a red link Clarinette omnitonique. Is it a definable concept? If not, then the redirect should be done or red links to be unlinked Estopedist1 ( talk) 15:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2023 and 1 May 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
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article contribs). Peer reviewers:
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The article in question has been tagged as an WP:REDUNDANTFORK for a bit. I'm wondering if that notice should be removed (and we keep the articles as is) or if we should decide to either merge it here or unmerge Clarinet#Clarinet family. Why? I Ask ( talk) 01:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
I think that the recently added section on Maintenance is unencyclopedic, largely trivial, and falls under the category of "how-to" information. Its content can mostly be summarized by saying, "if not properly maintained, things might not work correctly", which is true of anything. Special-T ( talk) 14:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Should the clarinet article include a section on maintenance? Matthewvetter ( talk) 13:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Cork is used to connect the clarinet's joints, and cork grease is applied to the corks to allow them to fit into the corresponding socket. Excess pressure when assembling the instrument may damage the keys.[62]
Most clarinets are made of wood and need to be swabbed dry after playing to keep the wood from cracking or swelling. Swabs are typically made of cloth and are inserted through the bell end of the instrument to avoid becoming stuck.[63]
Before cleaning the mouthpiece, the reed and ligature must be removed. The mouthpiece must be cleaned carefully to avoid damage to the tip or the side rails. A mouthpiece cap can protect the mouthpiece when stored. Damage to the mouthpiece tip or side rails can cause the mouthpiece to not play properly, often because the reed cannot seal where a section is damaged.[63]
Most clarinets are made of wood in four separate sections (not including the mouthpiece). Each tenon that fits into an adjacent socket is wrapped with cork, which requires cork grease to allow it to fit. [1] Wooden clarinets can be damaged by moisture, so should be swabbed dry after playing. [2] The mouthpiece should be handled carefully, since damage to the tip or side rails can cause it to not play properly. [2]
Here's where I think this stands after a couple of weeks. This RFC was started by Matthewvetter, who assigned the writing of that section to a student. He has ignored my re-iterated point that this constitutes a conflict of interest. He has also ignored my other policy points, mainly that almost all of that information is how-to - some of the "yes" voting ignores this point also. Almost all of the rest of the information is trivial - it boils down to "wood can be damaged by moisture" and "damaged items may not function correctly". I propose just putting a short description of tenon corks under the appropriate (existing) section. - Special-T ( talk) 14:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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I'm re-reverting a recent string of edits. The statements are uncited, and, in some cases, are inserted into a sentence with an existing ref, implying that the statement is supported by that ref. - Special-T ( talk) 16:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm not gonna keep reverting (although it's not edit warring to revert uncited content). I've explained in the edit summaries, and here on the talk page, what's wrong with those edits. None of that material has been cited. Also, the POV of "prominent" orchestral parts, better keywork on the Bb being a reason the C became less important, "impressive" downward extension of the range, "dark, mysterious, introspective nature" etc., is just that WP:POV. - Special-T ( talk) 17:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Given the recent dark clouds here recently, I've made a modest copy edit in the materials section around plastics and composites, and when they came about; however I stopped short of explaining why one would make clarinets from plastics: cheaper construction and durability for student/band/outdoor use, and less maintenance due to such materials not requiring oiling or being subject to drying out and cracking, etc. This was mainly due to a lack of a handy source; I will have a go at adding this when I get home later; I know there's something in either the Cambridge Companion or the Yale book. This will also neatly cover off one of the points in the contested "maintenance" section above, without it being a how-to. Cheers — Jon ( talk) 04:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Nikkimaria Yesterday I added a new section to the article with the heading "Famous clarinetists of the 18th and 19th centuries". I believe that WP readers who would like to learn more about the clarinet should also have the opportunity to learn about the history of the clarinet and its most famous protagonists.
You deleted my addition to the article without giving any reason. WP-WAR: "When reverting, be sure to indicate your reasons. This can be done in the edit summary and/or talk page." You did neither the one nor the other. I ask that you reverse the deletion or post the reasons for it here so that the community can discuss it.
To everyone: the deleted section can be viewed here. - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 13:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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I was looking at the clarinet page in order to gain a better insight as to what makes a Good Article for musical instruments but was sad to see that the page is currently in a fairly bad state. The first half of the article is decent even if there are a few MOS errors (referencing other sections and some awkward prose), but the second half (from "Usage and repertoire" down) is sorely in need of more reliable references and some major rewrites. The prose also has a habit of not explaining the more technical terms for the layman reader (e.g., meantone, ligature), just simply linking another article. Thoughts? Why? I Ask ( talk) 20:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
@ Why? I Ask: Regarding this edit: the article does not have an entirely consistent style with regards to either proposed addition, but there are more book refs that exclude both location and OCLC than include either. Nikkimaria ( talk) 03:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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should not be used for single-page referencesThere is nothing against using postal abbreviations.Yes there is.
I don't see a reason the the citation bot should be blocked.I do - it adds unhelpful spam, among other problems.
I know he's the editor, but editor names are generally what is cited.There are separate parameters for that - it shouldn't be using author parameters. Nikkimaria ( talk) 04:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I have taken several hours to revise and expand the "History" section. Because the history of the development of the clarinet does not stop in 1843. An encyclopaedia must do more here. Then I asked another author who knows a lot about clarinets to take a look at my draft, which you can see here User:Gisbert K/sandbox3. Afterwards I published the text with an additional size of almost 6000 byte, on 8 December, 16:31 h
On 10 December, 5:08 h, you, the User:Nikkimaria, undifferentiatedly completely undid my work, simply by clicking the "undo" button several times, without discussing it first. I see this as an act of unkind behaviour. Your terse justification for undoing my extensive works " (rv: largely unsourced or unreliably sourced)" does not apply .For the period after 1843 I have listed 2 significant and each extensive sources:
1: Thomas Reil and Dr. Enrico Weller, both recognised musicologists, with their 150-page book on the clarinet maker Oskar Oehler, which is in my possession, and of which an excerpt translation into English has been posted on the internet, which I have cited.
2. a dissertation by Dr. Stephanie Angloher, published in full on the net and frequently cited, a scientific work on the various clarinet systems amounting to 280 pages.
These two sources of a high standard are already sufficient, yet I have now added some minor sources as an afterthought. In this form I would like to re-post the text. . After all, the English article Clarinet should once again be given the title of "good article"! (The German article, of which I am the main author, even belongs to the "excellent" articles) This cannot be done without thorough revisions and extensions. Everyone who works on this should be welcome. And if an extension should indeed have deficiencies, everyone can contribute to an improvement, e.g. by adding to the sources instead of simply deleting the extension. - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 18:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
After Nikkimaria shortened the History section by 2300 bytes last night, it is now a torso. This is not the way to regain the title of "good article".
By the way: I am with a 37% share the main author of the German article "Klarinette", which is awarded as an "excellent article".
- Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 05:26, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
I have thoroughly revised my additions to this section, which I presented at the beginning of December, and have substantiated almost all statements with reabile sources. In this form I introduced them into the article Clarinet on 5 and 6 January. After minor corrections by User:Special-T, the History section was now informative, essentially complete and easy to read, and did not need any more changes.
Then, on both evenings or in the following nights, the user Nikkimaria appeared and took possession of my work by deleting most of the original text and - without any gain for the article - replacing it with her own formulations of the same content. In addition, she deleted some sentences containing important or at least useful information.
In detail:
Changes from 5.1.
Changes 1. and 2. There was no need for these changes to the text. The other wording of the same content is not an improvement. In addition, the deletion of the last two sentences irritates the reader, who knows from the previous text that there is still a 3rd register and who wonders at this point how it came about.
Change 3 Here, under the pretext of an inadequate source, an important piece of information has been deleted which the reader expects at this point. At the beginning it said : "At this time, contrary to modern practice, the reed was placed in contact with the upper lip." Here it was listed when and how and why this was changed. The allegedly inadequate source is a publication of the Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts, which is absolutely reputable, secondary literature with numerous references to original literature
Changes 4-6 Again, my text is rewritten without profit for the article, furthermore useful information is deleted.
Changes 7.1.2023
Again unnecessary rewording and arbitrary cuts of useful information for the reader.
By unnecessary rewording, the person concerned "steals" the creative effort of the author, because in the statistics the new sentences or paragraphs are not attributed to the author but to the person who deletes the author's texts and replaces them with other texts with the same content, an unfair practice.
Therefore, with some changes, I restore the state of the texts after the corrections by Special-T. - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 15:12, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Taken from this version, with annotations added inline. Nikkimaria ( talk) 23:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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The clarinet arose at the beginning of the 18th century when the German instrument maker Johann Christoph Denner (or possibly his son Jacob Denner) [1] equipped a chalumeau in the alto register [2] with two keys, one of which enabled access to a higher register. This second register did not begin an octave above the first, as with other woodwind instruments, but started an octave and a perfect fifth higher than the first. A second key, at the top, extended the range of the first register to A4 and, together with the register key, to B♭4. Later, Denner lengthened the bell and provided it with a third key to extend the pitch range down to E3. [1]. The resulting range has remained the standard for clarinets. The lower register from E3 to B♭4 was called the chalumeau register and the second register from B4 to C6 the clarion register. needs copy edit ???
A third register, the altissimo, developed as unknown clarinetists used special fingerings to play notes up to G6, and later up to D7. citation needed when? 20. January
After Denner's innovations, other makers added keys to improve
tuning and facilitate fingerings and the chalumeau fell into disuse. The clarinet of the
Classical period, as used by
Mozart, typically had five keys.
[3] Mozart suggested extending the clarinet downwards by four semitones to C3, which resulted in the
basset clarinet that was about 18 centimetres (7.1 in) longer, made first by Theodor Lotz.
[4] In 1789 Mozart composed the
Quintet for Clarinet and String Quartet and founded a new genre with it: the
clarinet quintet
[5]
vague
citation needed Done In 1792 he composed the
Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra in A major for this instrument, with passages ranging down to C3.
[6] Clarinets were soon accepted into orchestras
needs copy edit, and by the time of
Beethoven (
c. 1780–1820), the clarinet was a fixed member in the orchestra.
[7]
The functionality and therefore the potential number of keys with felt pads was limited because they did not seal tightly. German clarinetist and master clarinet maker Iwan Müller remedied this by countersinking the tone holes for the keys and covering the pads with soft leather. [8] This made it possible to equip the instrument with considerably more keys. In 1812 Müller presented a clarinet with seven finger holes and thirteen keys, which he called "clarinet omnitonic" since it was capable of playing in all keys. It was no longer necessary to use differently tuned clarinets for a different keys. [3] This clarinet become gradually the worldwide standard. citation needed
Müller is also considered the inventor of the metal ligature and the thumb rest. [9] With the added stability of the thumb rest, clarinetists began to orient the mouthpiece with the reed resting on the lower lip. [10] [11]As can be seen from the above drawing, Stadler already used this type of embrochure. original research?
Müller's inventions also revolutionised the design of other woodwind instruments. attribution needed In the late 1830s, [12] German flute maker Theobald Böhm invented a ring and axle key system, which he first employed on the transverse flute, but which was then adopted by other woodwind instrument makers. In this system, when a finger covers a tone hole it also pushes down a metal ring flush with the top of the hole. The ring sits on an axle on which other rings and pads are mounted, causing them to close. [13]
This key system was first used on the clarinet between 1839 and 1843 failed verification by the French clarinetist Hyacinthe Klosé, in collaboration with instrument maker Louis Auguste Buffet. They made other changes to the clarinet, resulting in a new instrument with different fingerings and a different inner bore failed verification, which produced a different sound. One significant change was the addition of new keys for the two little fingers on the lower joint, providing redundant fingerings for certain notes. The inventors called this the Boehm clarinet, although Böhm was not involved in its development. The standard Boehm clarinet has 17 keys and 6 rings. [14] unreliable source?
End of the 1840s needs copy edit, the Belgian Eugène Albert transferred the Boehm ring key system to the Müller clarinet, with some changes to keywork. The Albert clarinet, known as the "simple system" [15], got 16 keys, 5 rings, and rollers on the keys intended for the little fingers. [16] It's sound is similar to the Boehm clarinet. [17] unreliable source?. The most important improvement of the Simple System is the "spectacle key" patented by Adolphe Sax, another improvment needs copy edit a "patent C sharp" key developed by Joseph Tyler which was also added to other clarinet models. [18] Improved versions of Albert clarinets were built in Belgium and France for export to the UK and the US. [19] From 1920 to 1940 Selmer Paris built an improved Albert clarinet, also called "Full-Albert" versus "Plain-Albert", with very good intonation and extended mechanics with 6 rings, 4 side trill keys, E-flat-lever and F-sharp/G-sharp-trill, which was played by many jazz clarinetists. [20] importance?
Around 1860, clarinettist Carl Baermann and instrument maker Georg Ottensteiner developed the patented Baermann/Ottensteiner clarinet, [21] a clarinet with 16 keys, four rings and four rollers, but in the tradition of the historic sound vague. [22] This instrument had new connecting levers, which made it possible to press many keys from several places. It was used from 1860 until about 1910 failed verification. [23]
The famous peacock prose Brahms clarinetist Richard Mühlfeld used this clarinet, [22] and the American clarinet soloist Charles Neidich has used a Baermann-Ottensteiner instrument for playing compositions by Brahms. [24]
In 1905, the German clarinettist and clarinet maker Oskar Oehler presented a clarinet with 22 keys, four rollers, five rings and a blind cover for the right index finger, under which there is no tone hole, but through which two keys on the right side of the lower joint are operated. [25] [26] The new clarinet was called the Oehler clarinet or German clarinet, while the Böhm clarinet has since been called the French clarinet. Since the 1950s, most top German clarinets are still equipped with a cup mechanism to improve the intonation of low E and F and are sometimes called "Full-Oehler" clarinets, even though this mechanism was not developed by Oehler importance?. [25] [27]
The French clarinet differs from the German not only in fingering but also in sound. The characteristic sound of the clarinet that had fascinated Mozart was lost editorializing. After conducting in France, Richard Strauss spoke of the nasal French clarinets. [28] At the end of the 1940s, German clarinet maker Fritz Wurlitzer, father of Herbert Wurlitzer, built failed verification a clarinet which involved the use of Boehm-system keywork in combination with a German mouthpiece and bore and with a sound approximating the German ideal. [29] The result was the Reform Boehm clarinet, which is still in production. [30]
Changes in manufacturers' drilling techniques and changes in playing technique have changed the "nasal" sound of the Boehm clarinet. Its sound has been described as sharper, richer in overtones and more flexible than the German clarinet sound, which has been called pure, sonorous and warm. [31] [32]
Other modifications to the basic Boehm system, the Full Boehm, Mazzeo, McIntyre, [33] and Benade NX System, [34] did not become common. citation needed
Outside of Germany and Austria, clarinets with the Boehm system are used almost exclusively today. In Eastern Europe the Oehler system was widespread until the middle of the 20th century, but was largely replaced by the Boehm system failed verification. In the Netherlands, the Reform Boehm system was important for a long time [35] but has gradually been replaced by the classic Boehm system. failed verification [36] For reasons of sound and intonation, the use of Oehler clarinets has continued in German and Austrian orchestras, including the Vienna Philharmonic and the Berlin Philharmonic), [37] while no German clarinets are used in French symphony orchestras failed verification. [38]
The Albert clarinet has been in common use in Britain since the second half of the 19th century failed verification. [39] These dominated jazz in its early days, [40] is still used in folk music in the Balkans and Turkey. needs copy edit
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It's clear there are significant issues around sourcing and verifiability that persist with this version, among other problems. Nikkimaria ( talk) 23:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
1. Section “Clarinet family”: Addition of the contra alto clarinet
2. New section “Tuning the clarinet”
3. New section “Sound effects”
4. Review: At the end, review the whole article and check whether the layout is optimal or whether the sequence of individual sections should be changed - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 15:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
we have a red link Clarinette omnitonique. Is it a definable concept? If not, then the redirect should be done or red links to be unlinked Estopedist1 ( talk) 15:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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The article in question has been tagged as an WP:REDUNDANTFORK for a bit. I'm wondering if that notice should be removed (and we keep the articles as is) or if we should decide to either merge it here or unmerge Clarinet#Clarinet family. Why? I Ask ( talk) 01:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
I think that the recently added section on Maintenance is unencyclopedic, largely trivial, and falls under the category of "how-to" information. Its content can mostly be summarized by saying, "if not properly maintained, things might not work correctly", which is true of anything. Special-T ( talk) 14:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Should the clarinet article include a section on maintenance? Matthewvetter ( talk) 13:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Cork is used to connect the clarinet's joints, and cork grease is applied to the corks to allow them to fit into the corresponding socket. Excess pressure when assembling the instrument may damage the keys.[62]
Most clarinets are made of wood and need to be swabbed dry after playing to keep the wood from cracking or swelling. Swabs are typically made of cloth and are inserted through the bell end of the instrument to avoid becoming stuck.[63]
Before cleaning the mouthpiece, the reed and ligature must be removed. The mouthpiece must be cleaned carefully to avoid damage to the tip or the side rails. A mouthpiece cap can protect the mouthpiece when stored. Damage to the mouthpiece tip or side rails can cause the mouthpiece to not play properly, often because the reed cannot seal where a section is damaged.[63]
Most clarinets are made of wood in four separate sections (not including the mouthpiece). Each tenon that fits into an adjacent socket is wrapped with cork, which requires cork grease to allow it to fit. [1] Wooden clarinets can be damaged by moisture, so should be swabbed dry after playing. [2] The mouthpiece should be handled carefully, since damage to the tip or side rails can cause it to not play properly. [2]
Here's where I think this stands after a couple of weeks. This RFC was started by Matthewvetter, who assigned the writing of that section to a student. He has ignored my re-iterated point that this constitutes a conflict of interest. He has also ignored my other policy points, mainly that almost all of that information is how-to - some of the "yes" voting ignores this point also. Almost all of the rest of the information is trivial - it boils down to "wood can be damaged by moisture" and "damaged items may not function correctly". I propose just putting a short description of tenon corks under the appropriate (existing) section. - Special-T ( talk) 14:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
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I'm re-reverting a recent string of edits. The statements are uncited, and, in some cases, are inserted into a sentence with an existing ref, implying that the statement is supported by that ref. - Special-T ( talk) 16:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm not gonna keep reverting (although it's not edit warring to revert uncited content). I've explained in the edit summaries, and here on the talk page, what's wrong with those edits. None of that material has been cited. Also, the POV of "prominent" orchestral parts, better keywork on the Bb being a reason the C became less important, "impressive" downward extension of the range, "dark, mysterious, introspective nature" etc., is just that WP:POV. - Special-T ( talk) 17:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Given the recent dark clouds here recently, I've made a modest copy edit in the materials section around plastics and composites, and when they came about; however I stopped short of explaining why one would make clarinets from plastics: cheaper construction and durability for student/band/outdoor use, and less maintenance due to such materials not requiring oiling or being subject to drying out and cracking, etc. This was mainly due to a lack of a handy source; I will have a go at adding this when I get home later; I know there's something in either the Cambridge Companion or the Yale book. This will also neatly cover off one of the points in the contested "maintenance" section above, without it being a how-to. Cheers — Jon ( talk) 04:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
@ User:Nikkimaria Yesterday I added a new section to the article with the heading "Famous clarinetists of the 18th and 19th centuries". I believe that WP readers who would like to learn more about the clarinet should also have the opportunity to learn about the history of the clarinet and its most famous protagonists.
You deleted my addition to the article without giving any reason. WP-WAR: "When reverting, be sure to indicate your reasons. This can be done in the edit summary and/or talk page." You did neither the one nor the other. I ask that you reverse the deletion or post the reasons for it here so that the community can discuss it.
To everyone: the deleted section can be viewed here. - Gisbert ツ ( talk) Illustrate Wikipedia ! 13:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)