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The article claims that Livingstone/Livingstone is derived from the placename. This is a rudimentary and lazy error. Livingston didn't exist until 1960-something, which is at least several centuries too late to account for the surname. It's also located no-where near the original clan holdings of the MacLeas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:A005:CA01:DD63:5C3:93C6:E57D ( talk) 16:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I noticed this added to the page today. If anyone has added information on the role of the Clan MacLea in that battle, it would be appreciated! Isoxyl 13:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Added some footnotes and the DNA project. Should probably look at a way to link from lowland Livingston/e page if there is one... Also, is there a page for Scottish Clans to link from as well? Probably should try to flesh things out a bit more with the text and make it more conversational than like it is now, more like a list... Isoxyl 13:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Also, we should probably put some redirects in from McLea and McOnLea, Clan McLea and Clan McOnLea, perhaps? Isoxyl 13:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I have edited the former text
Also known as the clan MacOnlea, or the "highland Livingstone" clan.[1] This is a Scottish clan, with a Gaelic "highland" heritage. The clan is still lead by the "Baron of the Bachuil", which is an officially recognized title of Lord Lyon King of Arms.
because reference to the Baron of the Bachuil's matriculation of arms [1] shows the arms are granted to the
Baron of the Bachuil as Head of the Highland Clan MacLea
, in other words as Head of a family, not Chief or Chieftain of a Scottish Clan, in the narrow (but usual) sense of the term as a group regognised by the Lord Lyon as having (or having had) a Chief.
At the same time, Lord Lyon does indeed refer to the "Highland Clan MacLea". So I've reworded to point out that:
Bookbean 14:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest that if no reference can be given to a strong distinction between chief and head then the article should probably not focus too much on it? Andrew Lancaster 08:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of completely rewriting this article.
I hope I have addressed issues raised in a constructive fashion.
I have added a great deal of content, a structure and where possible provided references.
A little has been removed where I believed that it did not add value.
For instance I have removed various interpretaions of the derivation of the name that are now considered untenable.
I am sure that a great deal can be added and I don't see this as cast in stone. However, I have had to do a great deal of research to prsent our recent case at Lyon Court and am fairly comfortable with my facts. If I have made any errors please email me. In my records I may well have chapter and verse.
As this is an article not a book it is never going to be practical to dot very i and cross every T.
Regards
Young Bachuil 15 June 2006
I have had private correspondence with W. David H. Sellar Bute Pursuivant of Arms over the theory that MacLea comes from Son of the Physician and he agrees that this is unlikely. Young Bachuil 07:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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The article claims that Livingstone/Livingstone is derived from the placename. This is a rudimentary and lazy error. Livingston didn't exist until 1960-something, which is at least several centuries too late to account for the surname. It's also located no-where near the original clan holdings of the MacLeas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:A005:CA01:DD63:5C3:93C6:E57D ( talk) 16:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I noticed this added to the page today. If anyone has added information on the role of the Clan MacLea in that battle, it would be appreciated! Isoxyl 13:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Added some footnotes and the DNA project. Should probably look at a way to link from lowland Livingston/e page if there is one... Also, is there a page for Scottish Clans to link from as well? Probably should try to flesh things out a bit more with the text and make it more conversational than like it is now, more like a list... Isoxyl 13:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Also, we should probably put some redirects in from McLea and McOnLea, Clan McLea and Clan McOnLea, perhaps? Isoxyl 13:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I have edited the former text
Also known as the clan MacOnlea, or the "highland Livingstone" clan.[1] This is a Scottish clan, with a Gaelic "highland" heritage. The clan is still lead by the "Baron of the Bachuil", which is an officially recognized title of Lord Lyon King of Arms.
because reference to the Baron of the Bachuil's matriculation of arms [1] shows the arms are granted to the
Baron of the Bachuil as Head of the Highland Clan MacLea
, in other words as Head of a family, not Chief or Chieftain of a Scottish Clan, in the narrow (but usual) sense of the term as a group regognised by the Lord Lyon as having (or having had) a Chief.
At the same time, Lord Lyon does indeed refer to the "Highland Clan MacLea". So I've reworded to point out that:
Bookbean 14:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest that if no reference can be given to a strong distinction between chief and head then the article should probably not focus too much on it? Andrew Lancaster 08:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of completely rewriting this article.
I hope I have addressed issues raised in a constructive fashion.
I have added a great deal of content, a structure and where possible provided references.
A little has been removed where I believed that it did not add value.
For instance I have removed various interpretaions of the derivation of the name that are now considered untenable.
I am sure that a great deal can be added and I don't see this as cast in stone. However, I have had to do a great deal of research to prsent our recent case at Lyon Court and am fairly comfortable with my facts. If I have made any errors please email me. In my records I may well have chapter and verse.
As this is an article not a book it is never going to be practical to dot very i and cross every T.
Regards
Young Bachuil 15 June 2006
I have had private correspondence with W. David H. Sellar Bute Pursuivant of Arms over the theory that MacLea comes from Son of the Physician and he agrees that this is unlikely. Young Bachuil 07:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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