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Here's an interesting question: Can a game be called a rivalry game if one of the two teams involved denies that? I think I'm leaning towards "no", although I could be convinced otherwise. Beyond the obvious concerns of whether it is factually true to call this a rivalry game, I do think it violates WP:NPOV to call this game a rivalry in the lead if one team disagrees. I plan to rewrite the lead, and possibly part of the article's body, to more neutrally cover this series. I expect that this might be controversial, so I'll wait a day or two before doing that to allow anyone to object and initiate a discussion beforehand. ~ Rob Talk 17:49, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
conFLiCT?? That's the dumbest thing ever.
Save for Justin Bieber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.99.69 ( talk) 00:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
You told me to "See Talk"...yet there is no discussion of that edit on here. That edit (not originally made by me) is not speculative in any way. As for unsourced...happy to add source indicating Diaco's firing and Edsall's hire. The fact that Diaco has been fired is 100% relevant to this page, and should be mentioned. If you don't think the language about Edsall's intent to continue the rivalry (which by the way, as worded, was, contrary to your assertion, the EXACT opposite of speculation) should be included, fine. But Diaco's firing absolutely needs to be mentioned. An unbiased reader should not be in the dark about this fact. Your insistance on undo'ing this edit is, to be polite, puzzling. Mystic Technocrat ( talk) 20:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
The "rivalry" - first put forth in 2015 - appears to have ended after 2 games, with Diaco's departure at the end of 2016. The 2017 game was played today and so far I haven't seen any reference to this "rivalry" or the trophy in the reporting about it. None for sure in Connecticut's own reporting of the runup to it, see here: http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111017aab.html . The "rivalry" did get a bit of third party coverage when it was first put out there, due mostly to the silliness of the thing to be sure, but reportage nonetheless; but it appears that now, whatever the "rivalry" might've amounted to, it's now again just an annual game. That being the case I would propose (if indeed the thing is dead and buried) to revise the article to reflect the two years of the "rivalry" and to quit adding to what is no longer any kind of a special matchup. Comments welcome. JohnInDC ( talk) 02:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
It's pretty clear now that "rivalry" aspect of this annual matchup failed to take hold - Bob Diaco is gone, UCF doesn't acknowledge the rivalry, and no one even knows where the trophy is any more. There is a case to be made for retaining the article to reflect the coverage that it garnered when the idea was first put forth, but I don't think it's appropriate for the article to be written as though it reflects an actual, viable football rivalry. It's just - a game.
To that end I'd propose taking out the rivalry infobox and the "game results" table and simply tell the story of how this idea was hatched, and then dispatched, along with the coach who provided the inspiration. The actual text wouldn't need to be a whole lot different. Comments welcome. JohnInDC ( talk) 22:24, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Muboshgu, JohnInDC, Mystic Technocrat, Mjs32193, and Smartyllama: There is consensus that former UConn coach Bob Diaco's antics are notable, but this does not constitute a rivarly. As the article is visually formatted like every CFB rivalry article, there is ongoing confusion for casual readers and editors. I recently removed game results unrelated to the Diaco era to reduce confusion and was reverted [1] (fine).
There are multiple options to resolve, including:
Expunging the 2013, 2014, and 2017-present (ongoing) seasons seems resonable, as those years either predate Diaco's invention, or are beyond Diaco's tenure and align with the UConn AD's demur in 2017. I previously implemented 2, but lean towards 3. UW Dawgs ( talk) 17:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
I was on campus for part of the time this was going on. Rumor has it the trophy is at the bottom of Lake Claire. I'll work on cleaning this up a bit. FLJuJitsu 13:37, 01 September 2021 (UTC)
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Here's an interesting question: Can a game be called a rivalry game if one of the two teams involved denies that? I think I'm leaning towards "no", although I could be convinced otherwise. Beyond the obvious concerns of whether it is factually true to call this a rivalry game, I do think it violates WP:NPOV to call this game a rivalry in the lead if one team disagrees. I plan to rewrite the lead, and possibly part of the article's body, to more neutrally cover this series. I expect that this might be controversial, so I'll wait a day or two before doing that to allow anyone to object and initiate a discussion beforehand. ~ Rob Talk 17:49, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
conFLiCT?? That's the dumbest thing ever.
Save for Justin Bieber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.99.69 ( talk) 00:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
You told me to "See Talk"...yet there is no discussion of that edit on here. That edit (not originally made by me) is not speculative in any way. As for unsourced...happy to add source indicating Diaco's firing and Edsall's hire. The fact that Diaco has been fired is 100% relevant to this page, and should be mentioned. If you don't think the language about Edsall's intent to continue the rivalry (which by the way, as worded, was, contrary to your assertion, the EXACT opposite of speculation) should be included, fine. But Diaco's firing absolutely needs to be mentioned. An unbiased reader should not be in the dark about this fact. Your insistance on undo'ing this edit is, to be polite, puzzling. Mystic Technocrat ( talk) 20:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
The "rivalry" - first put forth in 2015 - appears to have ended after 2 games, with Diaco's departure at the end of 2016. The 2017 game was played today and so far I haven't seen any reference to this "rivalry" or the trophy in the reporting about it. None for sure in Connecticut's own reporting of the runup to it, see here: http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111017aab.html . The "rivalry" did get a bit of third party coverage when it was first put out there, due mostly to the silliness of the thing to be sure, but reportage nonetheless; but it appears that now, whatever the "rivalry" might've amounted to, it's now again just an annual game. That being the case I would propose (if indeed the thing is dead and buried) to revise the article to reflect the two years of the "rivalry" and to quit adding to what is no longer any kind of a special matchup. Comments welcome. JohnInDC ( talk) 02:53, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
It's pretty clear now that "rivalry" aspect of this annual matchup failed to take hold - Bob Diaco is gone, UCF doesn't acknowledge the rivalry, and no one even knows where the trophy is any more. There is a case to be made for retaining the article to reflect the coverage that it garnered when the idea was first put forth, but I don't think it's appropriate for the article to be written as though it reflects an actual, viable football rivalry. It's just - a game.
To that end I'd propose taking out the rivalry infobox and the "game results" table and simply tell the story of how this idea was hatched, and then dispatched, along with the coach who provided the inspiration. The actual text wouldn't need to be a whole lot different. Comments welcome. JohnInDC ( talk) 22:24, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
@ Muboshgu, JohnInDC, Mystic Technocrat, Mjs32193, and Smartyllama: There is consensus that former UConn coach Bob Diaco's antics are notable, but this does not constitute a rivarly. As the article is visually formatted like every CFB rivalry article, there is ongoing confusion for casual readers and editors. I recently removed game results unrelated to the Diaco era to reduce confusion and was reverted [1] (fine).
There are multiple options to resolve, including:
Expunging the 2013, 2014, and 2017-present (ongoing) seasons seems resonable, as those years either predate Diaco's invention, or are beyond Diaco's tenure and align with the UConn AD's demur in 2017. I previously implemented 2, but lean towards 3. UW Dawgs ( talk) 17:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
I was on campus for part of the time this was going on. Rumor has it the trophy is at the bottom of Lake Claire. I'll work on cleaning this up a bit. FLJuJitsu 13:37, 01 September 2021 (UTC)