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The edit made http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Civil_Air_Patrol_Ranger&diff=280710867&oldid=280659236 the user User:Fightin' Phillie noted, "CAP Rangers have a direct lineage to both of these organizations." How does the Civil Air Patrol Rangers have any lineage linked directly to the United States Army Rangers? Or for that matter, the U.S. Air Force Pararescuemen? Other than the fact that both organizations share the name Ranger, otherwise, I do not see the link between a U.S. Army seek and destroy organization has any lineage or history to do with a civilian auxiliary life saving organization. - Signaleer ( talk) 20:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
<-- The CAP Rangers were named after the US Army Rangers in the early 50s, approximately the same time as the current incarnation of the Army Rangers were created. The later are light-infantry, capable of conducting scouting missions behind enemy lines in a mostly self-sufficient state at a moments notice (18 hours). Similarly, CAP Rangers are trained to conduct sustained S&R operations in a field environment or moderate-term Disaster Relief at a moments notice (typically within 2 hours; but not anywhere around the world). The motto of the US Army Rangers is "Rangers lead the way!" The mantra of CAP Ranger Staff is "We Lead!" [2] CAP Rangers are also the longest standing, most qualified ground Search and Rescue units in Civil Air Patrol [2], much like how the Rangers are elite light infantry forces in the Army's Special Operations Command. While it's possible to be a Ranger in the 75th without having gone to Ranger School, both organizations require completion of Ranger School for advancement into leadership positions. US Army Ranger's have a creed, as do CAP Rangers, [1] both of which compel the Ranger to encompass more than is expected of them. Both have Ranger Competitions, make extensive use of obstacle courses and Leadership Reaction Courses, and have a history of being raised as needed, and disbanded afterwards. A link may not be readily apparent; but the CAP Rangers have created their program by entwining the history and traditions of both the PJs of the Air Force and the US Army Rangers. Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 13:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with it? First, there is a big difference between a "see also" link and claiming a "direct lineage". Second, the Army Rangers don't train extensively in Search and Rescue. SAR isn't their job. They search and destroy. Third, if you look at Army SERE training, little of it has any applicability for CAP. Niteshift36 ( talk) 23:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, where to begin....I have been asking around. Nobody in CAP NY Wing has ever heard of this group. I see NO mention of it anywhere on the NHQ Website. The only references I find to the CAP Ranger program is on the Pennsylvania Wing website. I'd say that is a pretty good indicator that this is NOT a program affiliated with National Headquarters of the Civil Air Patrol, and that is something we need to note 74.74.86.127 ( talk) 18:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
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The edit made http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Civil_Air_Patrol_Ranger&diff=280710867&oldid=280659236 the user User:Fightin' Phillie noted, "CAP Rangers have a direct lineage to both of these organizations." How does the Civil Air Patrol Rangers have any lineage linked directly to the United States Army Rangers? Or for that matter, the U.S. Air Force Pararescuemen? Other than the fact that both organizations share the name Ranger, otherwise, I do not see the link between a U.S. Army seek and destroy organization has any lineage or history to do with a civilian auxiliary life saving organization. - Signaleer ( talk) 20:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
<-- The CAP Rangers were named after the US Army Rangers in the early 50s, approximately the same time as the current incarnation of the Army Rangers were created. The later are light-infantry, capable of conducting scouting missions behind enemy lines in a mostly self-sufficient state at a moments notice (18 hours). Similarly, CAP Rangers are trained to conduct sustained S&R operations in a field environment or moderate-term Disaster Relief at a moments notice (typically within 2 hours; but not anywhere around the world). The motto of the US Army Rangers is "Rangers lead the way!" The mantra of CAP Ranger Staff is "We Lead!" [2] CAP Rangers are also the longest standing, most qualified ground Search and Rescue units in Civil Air Patrol [2], much like how the Rangers are elite light infantry forces in the Army's Special Operations Command. While it's possible to be a Ranger in the 75th without having gone to Ranger School, both organizations require completion of Ranger School for advancement into leadership positions. US Army Ranger's have a creed, as do CAP Rangers, [1] both of which compel the Ranger to encompass more than is expected of them. Both have Ranger Competitions, make extensive use of obstacle courses and Leadership Reaction Courses, and have a history of being raised as needed, and disbanded afterwards. A link may not be readily apparent; but the CAP Rangers have created their program by entwining the history and traditions of both the PJs of the Air Force and the US Army Rangers. Fightin' Phillie ( talk) 13:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with it? First, there is a big difference between a "see also" link and claiming a "direct lineage". Second, the Army Rangers don't train extensively in Search and Rescue. SAR isn't their job. They search and destroy. Third, if you look at Army SERE training, little of it has any applicability for CAP. Niteshift36 ( talk) 23:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, where to begin....I have been asking around. Nobody in CAP NY Wing has ever heard of this group. I see NO mention of it anywhere on the NHQ Website. The only references I find to the CAP Ranger program is on the Pennsylvania Wing website. I'd say that is a pretty good indicator that this is NOT a program affiliated with National Headquarters of the Civil Air Patrol, and that is something we need to note 74.74.86.127 ( talk) 18:38, 20 July 2009 (UTC)