The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the TV broadcast of the
Taylor Swift concert City of Lover only included half the
set list of the original concert?
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Isn't the title supposed to be written in italics?
MOS:ITALICTITLE specifically says that Television and radio programs, specials, shows, series and serials, are written in italics. Since City of Lover was aired as a television special, I think it need to be italicized. Just wanna hear anyone's thoughts on this.
Lover (Live from Paris)
Should the limited-edition LP have its own article or be a section of this (City of Lover) article? It qualifies
WP:N.
ℛonherry☘ 15:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I think it should be a part of the City of Lover article just like the long pond studio sessions live album.
ℛonherry☘ 15:42, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree. It should be merged. The entirely different article makes it seem likes it's a truly standalone album, but it's even less than standalone than folklore LPSS. It wasn't really an "album" on its own.
70.49.189.175 (
talk) 19:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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I propose merging
Lover (Live from Paris) with this article. The live album is a limited-release and per
WP:NALBUM it does not stand out in terms of notability. Apart from chart positions, all other information (track list, background of the concert) are possibly
WP:CFORK. That whole article can be safely incorporated as a section here.
Ippantekina (
talk) 02:38, 4 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. I agree.
ℛonherry☘ 18:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It's currently a 15 KB article. It stands on its own just fine. Ss112 04:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)reply
CFORK applies to the "Background" and "Track listing" (can be merged with "Set list") sections.
Ippantekina (
talk) 09:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)reply
If that's all the article consisted of, I'd agree with you, but there's more there than that. There's a pronounced difference between the track listing and set list here (the former lists writers and track lengths, and in this case, vinyl sides), so I don't see how that would be comfortably merged, especially considering the set list includes songs not from Lover. Ronherry added the background section, not me. I wouldn't care if it was there or not. I don't find this similar to Folklore: The Long Pond Studio Sessions, which had a live album that received very little coverage, was only issued digitally and didn't chart. That merge made/makes sense but this album has clearly achieved more on its own, independent of its 2019 source material. Ss112 15:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)reply
This LP release has undoubtedly charted, but that alone I'm afraid is insufficient for a standalone article, especially one that is extendable to meet higher quality status i.e. GA.
Ippantekina (
talk) 08:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)reply
You can think so all you like, but charting is not all it has achieved. It was released years after the concert. It's not contemporaneous to it and stands on its own merits. There's still been no suggestion as to how the set list and track list (with its vinyl sides) could be merged in a way that isn't some formatting mishap, and I don't believe they could be. Ss112 11:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. Although the actual City of Lover concert setlist contained songs from multiple Taylor Swift albums, both the TV special and the Lover (Live from Paris) LP only contain songs from Lover. Therefore, I believe that Lover (Live from Paris) should be treated as the soundtrack to City of Lover, and the articles should be merged. Furthermore, the live tracks have been on streaming services since the TV special aired but are not grouped as an album, leading me to believe that the LP is more of a collector's item than a standalone live album in Swift's discography. --
Damage Ensues (
talk) 18:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose: I feel that the article is fine in its own right and has enough new information to have it stand out as its own article, however it wouldn't be a bad idea to make it a new section in the original article. I'm 50/50 on it and I feel it'd be better to keep it as-is, but moving the new information regarding the release of the LP itself to a section in the main article could work as well.
AverageLogic (
talk) 15:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support, and I agree with
Damage Ensues's arguments. Additional note: I don't think it's accurate to indicate this as a "2023" release, plus there's an
official "Live from Paris" Spotify playlist from May 2020 (when the tracks were released) with the exact tracklist of the "2023" live album.
Theknine2 (
talk) 08:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Support merge, excluding the tracklist because it did not receive any significant coverage in terms of critical reviews or analysis.
Heartfox (
talk) 22:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. There's really no unique information for this to stand on its own, the only thing that's unique and relevant to the LP is the Commercial performance. Other than that, it's just info about City of Lover again.--
Giorgio Zeniquel (
talk) 18:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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Taylor Swift concert City of Lover only included half the
set list of the original concert?
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Isn't the title supposed to be written in italics?
MOS:ITALICTITLE specifically says that Television and radio programs, specials, shows, series and serials, are written in italics. Since City of Lover was aired as a television special, I think it need to be italicized. Just wanna hear anyone's thoughts on this.
Lover (Live from Paris)
Should the limited-edition LP have its own article or be a section of this (City of Lover) article? It qualifies
WP:N.
ℛonherry☘ 15:40, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I think it should be a part of the City of Lover article just like the long pond studio sessions live album.
ℛonherry☘ 15:42, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree. It should be merged. The entirely different article makes it seem likes it's a truly standalone album, but it's even less than standalone than folklore LPSS. It wasn't really an "album" on its own.
70.49.189.175 (
talk) 19:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I propose merging
Lover (Live from Paris) with this article. The live album is a limited-release and per
WP:NALBUM it does not stand out in terms of notability. Apart from chart positions, all other information (track list, background of the concert) are possibly
WP:CFORK. That whole article can be safely incorporated as a section here.
Ippantekina (
talk) 02:38, 4 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. I agree.
ℛonherry☘ 18:23, 4 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose. It's currently a 15 KB article. It stands on its own just fine. Ss112 04:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)reply
CFORK applies to the "Background" and "Track listing" (can be merged with "Set list") sections.
Ippantekina (
talk) 09:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)reply
If that's all the article consisted of, I'd agree with you, but there's more there than that. There's a pronounced difference between the track listing and set list here (the former lists writers and track lengths, and in this case, vinyl sides), so I don't see how that would be comfortably merged, especially considering the set list includes songs not from Lover. Ronherry added the background section, not me. I wouldn't care if it was there or not. I don't find this similar to Folklore: The Long Pond Studio Sessions, which had a live album that received very little coverage, was only issued digitally and didn't chart. That merge made/makes sense but this album has clearly achieved more on its own, independent of its 2019 source material. Ss112 15:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)reply
This LP release has undoubtedly charted, but that alone I'm afraid is insufficient for a standalone article, especially one that is extendable to meet higher quality status i.e. GA.
Ippantekina (
talk) 08:43, 13 March 2023 (UTC)reply
You can think so all you like, but charting is not all it has achieved. It was released years after the concert. It's not contemporaneous to it and stands on its own merits. There's still been no suggestion as to how the set list and track list (with its vinyl sides) could be merged in a way that isn't some formatting mishap, and I don't believe they could be. Ss112 11:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. Although the actual City of Lover concert setlist contained songs from multiple Taylor Swift albums, both the TV special and the Lover (Live from Paris) LP only contain songs from Lover. Therefore, I believe that Lover (Live from Paris) should be treated as the soundtrack to City of Lover, and the articles should be merged. Furthermore, the live tracks have been on streaming services since the TV special aired but are not grouped as an album, leading me to believe that the LP is more of a collector's item than a standalone live album in Swift's discography. --
Damage Ensues (
talk) 18:36, 19 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose: I feel that the article is fine in its own right and has enough new information to have it stand out as its own article, however it wouldn't be a bad idea to make it a new section in the original article. I'm 50/50 on it and I feel it'd be better to keep it as-is, but moving the new information regarding the release of the LP itself to a section in the main article could work as well.
AverageLogic (
talk) 15:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Support, and I agree with
Damage Ensues's arguments. Additional note: I don't think it's accurate to indicate this as a "2023" release, plus there's an
official "Live from Paris" Spotify playlist from May 2020 (when the tracks were released) with the exact tracklist of the "2023" live album.
Theknine2 (
talk) 08:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Support merge, excluding the tracklist because it did not receive any significant coverage in terms of critical reviews or analysis.
Heartfox (
talk) 22:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)reply
Support. There's really no unique information for this to stand on its own, the only thing that's unique and relevant to the LP is the Commercial performance. Other than that, it's just info about City of Lover again.--
Giorgio Zeniquel (
talk) 18:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.