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Should this page be moved to City Loop? It's already a redirect to here. Hypernovean 12:52, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I recall in the news some years ago a power outage in the Loop caused train passengers to be stranded in darkness for considerable time (an hour or more?), and/or having to walk along the train line in the darkness to the nearest station. There were reports of train drivers not having any torches to assist passengers in such an event. I don't think this should be listed in the article, but maybe a bit of interesting trivia nonetheless. Perhaps someone has some more info on this. ozzmosis 18:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
"The reason for the ban was due to the use of mobile telephones to take pictures of (mostly female) passengers - usually for sexual purposes." - I'm wondering how one could take a photo "for sexual purposes" on a railway platform. And if that indeed was the reason, why has photography only been banned at the three underground stations? Are perverts more prolific when they're underground? invincible 17:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I know people writing to the press like to repeat that Melbourne's PT network is a failure, but this edit isn't exactly neutral. I mean, most people would agree that we're better off with the City Loop and reduction in service levels are probably more likely to be caused by increased car ownership than improved infrastructure. What does the City Loop have to do with V/Line services anyway? There's also a subtle edit changing the reason for the failure to expand the loop from a lack of demand to a reference to government attitudes - while that might be right today, policies and governments do change, especially in the 20-30 years that the section mentions. Since I'm meant to be writing a report that's due tomorrow, I'll leave it to someone else to fix the article up. invincible 13:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
How much did this cost to build? Josh Parris # : 01:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I've started working on a line guide for the city loop in my user area/sandbox, whatever you want to call it. I've seen a few of this style of line guide around the place and thought I'd whip one up and put it up for review. Let know what you think. If there are no serious objections within a couple of weeks or so I might put it in the article. Although I must admit the exising diagram looks pretty good. -- Rick69p 14:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be worthwhile stating that there is now a AM/FM radio re-broadcast system was installed in the cityloop to override normal AM/FM transmission in the event of an emergency
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/security-boost-on-city-loop/story-e6frf7kx-1111112387300 http://www.safeguardingaustralia.org.au/index.php?view=print&getp=284 http://www.dtf.vic.gov.au/CA25713E0002EF43/WebObj/PEBUAppA/$File/PEBUAppA.pdf http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/CA256D800027B102/Lookup/protectingourcoummunitynewinitiativestocombatterriorism/$file/Protecting%20our%20Community%20New%20Initiatives%20to%20Combat%20Terrorism.pdf
I can't seem to find any articles confirming the installation of the re-broadcast system and the date. The only article I found was the Herald Sun article talking about the planned installation, and a whole bunch of government articles showing the system in the budget. I can however confirm that there is actual FM reception underground for the major FM stations only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerox ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Can it be explained, perhaps in a "Description" section, where each of the tunnel portals are located on the loop? I mean, if you look hard enough at Bing or Google aerials, you can make them out, but perhaps it'd be nice if we could get a detailed description of where the underground tracks meet with the surface tracks. It appears that you can make out two tunnels in Jolimont Yard, one just east of Federation Square and one to the southeast near where Brunton meets Jolimont Road. The northwestern tunnels look to open just north of Southern Cross and then just south of North Melbourne. Someone with more knowledge could describe it better. I'm also confused as to what constitues "groups" as described on the page. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 08:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Current Progress
Planned road map
1.Finish seperating service patterns to their respective groups
2.Seperate Future expansion into sections
3.Write Infrastructure section
4.Rewrite History section
5.Rewrite Lead section
6.Grammar checking and fixing
7.GA-Submission NotOrrio ( talk) 09:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
NotOrrio ( talk) 11:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
I think the summary table should be returned to "Services and direction of travel"
Platform number | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
---|---|---|---|---|
Lines |
Clifton Hill group Hurstbridge & Mernda lines |
Caulfield group Cranbourne & Pakenham lines |
Northern group Craigieburn , Sunbury & Upfield lines |
Burnley group Alamein , Belgrave , Glen Waverley & Lilydale lines |
Weekday mornings | Clockwise | Anti-clockwise | Clockwise | Anti-clockwise |
Weekday afternoons | Anti-clockwise | Clockwise | ||
Weekends | Clockwise | |||
Notes | In 2025, Cranbourne & Pakenham services will cease operation in the City Loop | In 2025, Sunbury services will cease operation in the City Loop | Alamein only during weekday peak |
It makes it clear and easy to see how services run through the loop. -- ThylacineHunter ( talk) 03:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed references of the city loop being a rail service, when in fact it is a piece of commuter rail infrastructure. A good example of an article that is correct is Sydneys City Circle. I've mentioned this to NotOrrio before but it was not acted upon so I've gone ahead and made these changes. HoHo3143 ( talk) 11:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
With the planned changes to both the Cranbourne & Pakenham services in 2025, this would leave platform 2 of the underground section empty. While it hasn't been mentioned yet any plans for the future of platform 2/Caulfield tunnel, and it too far into the future to be able to exactly say what will happen to it, there may be a reintroduction of a loop service. Travel issue with current loop services:
Travel issues when new tunnel opens in 2025 involving train connections:
A reintroduction of a loop service could be a useful addition. -- ThylacineHunter ( talk) 01:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Unless this page is to be renamed to "Melbourne's underground stations", Flinders Street & Southern Cross (and the viaduct connecting them) should be included as they are mentioned on the following original documents published by the railways:
ThylacineHunter ( talk) 09:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
I will get around soon (im assuming Friday or Saturday) once I finish working on Carnegie railway station. During that time I will make the following major changes:
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Happy to review the article. AM
From this point onwards in the article, many of the issues are not just minor points.
I will be quick failing the article.
Although a number of the above points can be quickly addressed, there are too many issues which will need some time and thought to sort out. The article needs to be improved so that that only relevant information is included, duplicated facts are removed, links are attended to, and the images used serve to help understand the text. Amitchell125 ( talk) 06:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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Should this page be moved to City Loop? It's already a redirect to here. Hypernovean 12:52, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I recall in the news some years ago a power outage in the Loop caused train passengers to be stranded in darkness for considerable time (an hour or more?), and/or having to walk along the train line in the darkness to the nearest station. There were reports of train drivers not having any torches to assist passengers in such an event. I don't think this should be listed in the article, but maybe a bit of interesting trivia nonetheless. Perhaps someone has some more info on this. ozzmosis 18:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
"The reason for the ban was due to the use of mobile telephones to take pictures of (mostly female) passengers - usually for sexual purposes." - I'm wondering how one could take a photo "for sexual purposes" on a railway platform. And if that indeed was the reason, why has photography only been banned at the three underground stations? Are perverts more prolific when they're underground? invincible 17:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I know people writing to the press like to repeat that Melbourne's PT network is a failure, but this edit isn't exactly neutral. I mean, most people would agree that we're better off with the City Loop and reduction in service levels are probably more likely to be caused by increased car ownership than improved infrastructure. What does the City Loop have to do with V/Line services anyway? There's also a subtle edit changing the reason for the failure to expand the loop from a lack of demand to a reference to government attitudes - while that might be right today, policies and governments do change, especially in the 20-30 years that the section mentions. Since I'm meant to be writing a report that's due tomorrow, I'll leave it to someone else to fix the article up. invincible 13:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
How much did this cost to build? Josh Parris # : 01:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I've started working on a line guide for the city loop in my user area/sandbox, whatever you want to call it. I've seen a few of this style of line guide around the place and thought I'd whip one up and put it up for review. Let know what you think. If there are no serious objections within a couple of weeks or so I might put it in the article. Although I must admit the exising diagram looks pretty good. -- Rick69p 14:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be worthwhile stating that there is now a AM/FM radio re-broadcast system was installed in the cityloop to override normal AM/FM transmission in the event of an emergency
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/security-boost-on-city-loop/story-e6frf7kx-1111112387300 http://www.safeguardingaustralia.org.au/index.php?view=print&getp=284 http://www.dtf.vic.gov.au/CA25713E0002EF43/WebObj/PEBUAppA/$File/PEBUAppA.pdf http://www.dpc.vic.gov.au/CA256D800027B102/Lookup/protectingourcoummunitynewinitiativestocombatterriorism/$file/Protecting%20our%20Community%20New%20Initiatives%20to%20Combat%20Terrorism.pdf
I can't seem to find any articles confirming the installation of the re-broadcast system and the date. The only article I found was the Herald Sun article talking about the planned installation, and a whole bunch of government articles showing the system in the budget. I can however confirm that there is actual FM reception underground for the major FM stations only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerox ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Can it be explained, perhaps in a "Description" section, where each of the tunnel portals are located on the loop? I mean, if you look hard enough at Bing or Google aerials, you can make them out, but perhaps it'd be nice if we could get a detailed description of where the underground tracks meet with the surface tracks. It appears that you can make out two tunnels in Jolimont Yard, one just east of Federation Square and one to the southeast near where Brunton meets Jolimont Road. The northwestern tunnels look to open just north of Southern Cross and then just south of North Melbourne. Someone with more knowledge could describe it better. I'm also confused as to what constitues "groups" as described on the page. -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 08:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Current Progress
Planned road map
1.Finish seperating service patterns to their respective groups
2.Seperate Future expansion into sections
3.Write Infrastructure section
4.Rewrite History section
5.Rewrite Lead section
6.Grammar checking and fixing
7.GA-Submission NotOrrio ( talk) 09:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
NotOrrio ( talk) 11:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
I think the summary table should be returned to "Services and direction of travel"
Platform number | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
---|---|---|---|---|
Lines |
Clifton Hill group Hurstbridge & Mernda lines |
Caulfield group Cranbourne & Pakenham lines |
Northern group Craigieburn , Sunbury & Upfield lines |
Burnley group Alamein , Belgrave , Glen Waverley & Lilydale lines |
Weekday mornings | Clockwise | Anti-clockwise | Clockwise | Anti-clockwise |
Weekday afternoons | Anti-clockwise | Clockwise | ||
Weekends | Clockwise | |||
Notes | In 2025, Cranbourne & Pakenham services will cease operation in the City Loop | In 2025, Sunbury services will cease operation in the City Loop | Alamein only during weekday peak |
It makes it clear and easy to see how services run through the loop. -- ThylacineHunter ( talk) 03:01, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and removed references of the city loop being a rail service, when in fact it is a piece of commuter rail infrastructure. A good example of an article that is correct is Sydneys City Circle. I've mentioned this to NotOrrio before but it was not acted upon so I've gone ahead and made these changes. HoHo3143 ( talk) 11:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
With the planned changes to both the Cranbourne & Pakenham services in 2025, this would leave platform 2 of the underground section empty. While it hasn't been mentioned yet any plans for the future of platform 2/Caulfield tunnel, and it too far into the future to be able to exactly say what will happen to it, there may be a reintroduction of a loop service. Travel issue with current loop services:
Travel issues when new tunnel opens in 2025 involving train connections:
A reintroduction of a loop service could be a useful addition. -- ThylacineHunter ( talk) 01:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Unless this page is to be renamed to "Melbourne's underground stations", Flinders Street & Southern Cross (and the viaduct connecting them) should be included as they are mentioned on the following original documents published by the railways:
ThylacineHunter ( talk) 09:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
I will get around soon (im assuming Friday or Saturday) once I finish working on Carnegie railway station. During that time I will make the following major changes:
If there are additional changes needed please mention them below NotOrrio ( talk) 23:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Happy to review the article. AM
From this point onwards in the article, many of the issues are not just minor points.
I will be quick failing the article.
Although a number of the above points can be quickly addressed, there are too many issues which will need some time and thought to sort out. The article needs to be improved so that that only relevant information is included, duplicated facts are removed, links are attended to, and the images used serve to help understand the text. Amitchell125 ( talk) 06:58, 10 August 2023 (UTC)