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I've started a discussion at Metropolitan area#What is a "city", what a "metropolitan area"?. Arminden ( talk) 06:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
The article starts with a an assumption that is not universal. St David's and Wells in The UK are Cities but are not large settlements. In the UK being a city is based on central government granting the status. In France the concept does not exist. For example, in French Paris would be considered a "Grande Ville", literally "Large Town" since the concept of city does not exist as it does in the UK. That being said said the idea that is being explained is a concept, but it's not clear at all that the term "city" is necessarily the correct term. 91.84.189.190 ( talk) 10:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
It is uhh more 'sophisticated' I guess.. Sertyt ( talk) 03:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Title Sertyt ( talk) 11:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Would anybody like to see anything added or modified to this montage? Clearly nobody likes the version that preceded this one. Castncoot ( talk) 20:14, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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There is consensus to include the graph as the lead image. This has already been implemented, and the consensus seems pretty clear in favour. Everyone is, for the moment, happy.
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What would people like to see as the lead image? Castncoot ( talk) 03:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
A.
B.
C. An original:
D. Something more conceptual, like this:
E. No lead image.
Bazza ( talk) 13:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
How about this image to work off of, to grow and evolve from? Would people accept this as a starting point?
Castncoot ( talk) 06:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
None of the proposals meet the principle of MOS:IMAGES, which in summary says that images in articles are to illustrate the points made in the text, not to decorate the page. All of your proposals are essentially decorative, failing to illustrate high-density "housing, transportation, sanitation, utilities, land use, production of goods, and communication" (as Bazza 7 puts it concisely)did you not understand? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 11:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Comment This is a continuation of the RfC, and should therefore be a subsection of the one that introduced the RfC. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
if they fail to illustrate high-density "housing, transportation, sanitation, utilities, land use, production of goods, and communication" (as Bazza 7 puts it concisely), then they are decorative rather than illustrative. What has changed since the last time it was said?
a representative image ... to give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page.I think the lead image should depict the topic, not the parts of the topic (housing, transport, sanitation, etc.), and not the parts of the article. The lead image of car shows a car, not an engine, wheels, exhaust, etc. Human shows typical humans, not the aspects of humans. The lead image of city should be a picture of a city that shows the whole city--an aerial view, because of the size of a city--not a montage showing the parts of a city.
I'm ambivalent about whether it should be 1 lead image or a montage (of cities, not of parts of cities). I'm not sure that multiple images of cities really adds much beyond one image, though. I prefer the single image of car to the montage of town, for example, and fish is a good example of a bad montage, for comparison.
As for what stops an arbitrary editor from replacing the lead image, that's what some editors said about the lead images of Man and Woman, but the answer is consensus: have an RFC, pick a lead image, and--like at Man and Woman--once it has consensus, it'll stay stable for years (and it's ok if consensus changes).
If I absolutely had to pick from one of the options, it would be A (I agree with Castncoot's reasoning above as to why A is better than B), but that's a distant second choice to just having an image (or montage) of an aerial shot of a city; that's what will "give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page". Levivich ( talk) 01:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a note here. I found out about the lead image RfC as it was mentioned in the montage RfC. Personally, I strongly prefer an image of an actual city over a graph or montage or painting or satellite photo. Would have liked to vote in the RfC. I noticed the RfC was opened on Dec 18 and closed 10 days later... over Christmas and New Year holidays. I hope the discussion is revisited at a time when it's not the holidays, and the discussion is advertised elsewhere, etc. I just think the wrong decision was made here with the graph. Levivich ( talk) 00:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
I think the lead image should be something like these, either alone, or montages with cropped 2x2 squares or 3x3 squares:
Levivich ( talk) 23:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
About society and environment 103.215.211.193 ( talk) 06:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The redirect 市 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 13 § 市 until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 08:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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I've started a discussion at Metropolitan area#What is a "city", what a "metropolitan area"?. Arminden ( talk) 06:32, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
The article starts with a an assumption that is not universal. St David's and Wells in The UK are Cities but are not large settlements. In the UK being a city is based on central government granting the status. In France the concept does not exist. For example, in French Paris would be considered a "Grande Ville", literally "Large Town" since the concept of city does not exist as it does in the UK. That being said said the idea that is being explained is a concept, but it's not clear at all that the term "city" is necessarily the correct term. 91.84.189.190 ( talk) 10:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
It is uhh more 'sophisticated' I guess.. Sertyt ( talk) 03:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Title Sertyt ( talk) 11:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Would anybody like to see anything added or modified to this montage? Clearly nobody likes the version that preceded this one. Castncoot ( talk) 20:14, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
Discussion re-opened for wider input
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There is consensus to include the graph as the lead image. This has already been implemented, and the consensus seems pretty clear in favour. Everyone is, for the moment, happy.
🎄Cremastra 🎄 (
talk)
15:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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What would people like to see as the lead image? Castncoot ( talk) 03:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
A.
B.
C. An original:
D. Something more conceptual, like this:
E. No lead image.
Bazza ( talk) 13:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
How about this image to work off of, to grow and evolve from? Would people accept this as a starting point?
Castncoot ( talk) 06:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
None of the proposals meet the principle of MOS:IMAGES, which in summary says that images in articles are to illustrate the points made in the text, not to decorate the page. All of your proposals are essentially decorative, failing to illustrate high-density "housing, transportation, sanitation, utilities, land use, production of goods, and communication" (as Bazza 7 puts it concisely)did you not understand? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 11:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Comment This is a continuation of the RfC, and should therefore be a subsection of the one that introduced the RfC. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:29, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
if they fail to illustrate high-density "housing, transportation, sanitation, utilities, land use, production of goods, and communication" (as Bazza 7 puts it concisely), then they are decorative rather than illustrative. What has changed since the last time it was said?
a representative image ... to give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page.I think the lead image should depict the topic, not the parts of the topic (housing, transport, sanitation, etc.), and not the parts of the article. The lead image of car shows a car, not an engine, wheels, exhaust, etc. Human shows typical humans, not the aspects of humans. The lead image of city should be a picture of a city that shows the whole city--an aerial view, because of the size of a city--not a montage showing the parts of a city.
I'm ambivalent about whether it should be 1 lead image or a montage (of cities, not of parts of cities). I'm not sure that multiple images of cities really adds much beyond one image, though. I prefer the single image of car to the montage of town, for example, and fish is a good example of a bad montage, for comparison.
As for what stops an arbitrary editor from replacing the lead image, that's what some editors said about the lead images of Man and Woman, but the answer is consensus: have an RFC, pick a lead image, and--like at Man and Woman--once it has consensus, it'll stay stable for years (and it's ok if consensus changes).
If I absolutely had to pick from one of the options, it would be A (I agree with Castncoot's reasoning above as to why A is better than B), but that's a distant second choice to just having an image (or montage) of an aerial shot of a city; that's what will "give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page". Levivich ( talk) 01:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a note here. I found out about the lead image RfC as it was mentioned in the montage RfC. Personally, I strongly prefer an image of an actual city over a graph or montage or painting or satellite photo. Would have liked to vote in the RfC. I noticed the RfC was opened on Dec 18 and closed 10 days later... over Christmas and New Year holidays. I hope the discussion is revisited at a time when it's not the holidays, and the discussion is advertised elsewhere, etc. I just think the wrong decision was made here with the graph. Levivich ( talk) 00:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
I think the lead image should be something like these, either alone, or montages with cropped 2x2 squares or 3x3 squares:
Levivich ( talk) 23:04, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
About society and environment 103.215.211.193 ( talk) 06:20, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The redirect 市 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 13 § 市 until a consensus is reached. Utopes ( talk / cont) 08:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)