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In fact it seems de Gaulle favorite car was not the DS but the Stout Scarab that was given to him by US officers during the WWII. As he was really tall it was the only car he feel really comfortable in. Ericd 17:42 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I don't think I said "favorite car". However, this picture seems to indicate that he was in fact too tall for the DS. B-) EvanProdromou
Nice pic !
I like theses too :
http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/chan/chan/gaulle/CHANGau3.htm
I don't said you said ;-) He really like the DS and considered it as a national pride ;-) that's one of the POV we share but I am more a fan of the Citroën 2CV it might be ideological differences :-( or it might because the DS was a mechanical nightmare :-O that made the fortune of some DS specialists while the nearly anybody could disassemble and reassemble a 2CV. The fact is that De Gaulle didn't feel comfortable in any normal car thus he love the Stout Scarab that was "a monospace before the monospaces" (and a great commercial flop). Of course an American car was not appropriate for a "Président de la République". Ericd 22:22 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hmmmm... you sure are pushing that Stout Scarab, aren't you? B-) I wonder if you have one to sell.... ESP 23:00 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Not at all someone (not me) added a reference to the Stout Scarab at the end of the Citroën 2CV article so I made some research on it. Ericd 00:11 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
There's a DS in Ghostbusters? David.Monniaux 08:29, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed some of the unnecessary linking in the article ( research and laboratory, for example). --16 April 2006.
I've always loved the DS/ID. When I was a kid a family I knew owned one. It was a '67. It was black and loaded with all the option's. The original owner was the French consulate in NY. It was the car DeGaul rode in when he visited NY. I thought it was so cool. Wish I'd been old enough to drive when you could still own these. I knew a few people who owned one.
Stu Pickels drove one in the Rug Rats movie. I think I saw a few in Diva. The last one I saw on the road was about five years ago in Lyon. An old Frenchman told me (in French) that it was also the first one he had seen in a long, long time. I think the last one I saw in the U.S. was at a junkyard in TX about 17 years ago. I drive a Peugeot. They're practically extinct in most parts of the U.S. now too. I can drive for months without seeing another.
On holiday in France this year I found a couple old rotting ones, even more happily I found a pristine one back home in Scotland outside a local furniture store celebrating some party. It was truly gorgeous, I had to stop, pull over, and come admire it. Even better than in photos. Talking of photos, I'll see about getting mine online...
Not clear on meaning of this reference: ' The preceding text indicates the tires were shot out and the car could still drive - is the question about exactly what was visible in the film? 66.77.124.61 22:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
It is my understanding that the car could be driven with with only three tires. I have not seen this done however.
The DS / ID has a zero angle or neutral steering geometry. This is a passive safety feature designed into the car, so if the car hits a stone or a pot hole in the road, the steering wheel will not be pulled to one side, thereby the driver retains full control of the direction of travel. This will also work if there is a flat front tire. As far as I know, it is the only car to have this feature. CitroenCX2000 ( talk) 18:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't know the full history of the model well enough to edit this point, but it seems like the headlights aren't very well explained. There's mention of the redesign and streamlining of the front of the car, and the swivelling lights, but there's no clear explanation that the ID had the older single lights, nor that they're not the same as the exposed lights on the US model; in fact a photo of a single-light DS with added spot or fog lamps had been labelled wrongly as the US model. I've changed that in the label, but it'd be great if somebody who knows the chronology could clarify it in the article. I'll try to research it so I can do it if nobody else wants to :) – Kieran T ( talk | contribs) 11:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Made changes under Design Variations - issue covered? 66.77.124.61 04:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Elsewhere in Wiki the Crosley Hotshot is mentioned as the first production vehicle equipped with disc brakes. Can someone help resolve this discrepancy? LorenzoB 20:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Go to the disc brake page in Wikipedia - it has a pretty thorough explanation of the 'who was first' issue. 66.77.124.61 19:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the article dwells a bit too much on 'what is LHM' - good info that other articles could also reference. Interestingly the brake fluid article indicates there are exactly 3 kinds of brake fluid, none of which is LHM. 66.77.124.61 19:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The article implies that the SM had many interchangable parts with the DS. That is not correct. While the SM is conceptually like the DS in many respects, it is a unique model. More generally, cars from different generations don't have interchangable parts, unless those parts are very generic - you can take the battery from a 2006 Toyota Corolla and place it in a 1990 Corolla and it will probably work, but not say the exhaust manifold or the transmission. 66.77.124.61 02:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't have details, but my recollection is that parts of the suspension and the steering were interchangeable between SM and DS in the early 1970s. Certainly not "generic" components. Clearly the engine and gearbox were unrelated. Groogle 00:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I recall the original citation had something to do with the SM & DS using the same parts - not interchangable parts. 66.77.124.61 02:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
We had slid back into implying that the SM & DS are basically the same car under the skin. Not true. The SM was not a parts bin car, it was a unique model. What is true is that the SM could be considered a "new, replacement DS" completely redesigned 15 years later, but targeting a different, very small market segment. This constant recitation that the parts were the "same" is confusing to the reader and inaccurate. 76.171.244.226 ( talk) 16:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
The sections DS Engines and Technical Details - Drivetrain cover the same territory. Consolidate? 66.77.124.61 04:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
There's a "citation needed" against this item. I think I wrote it in the first place, and it's based on my experience: I have done this in about 1971 (required a different exhaust manifold), but I don't have any backup documentation. Any idea how to confirm that it worked? Groogle 00:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I mean really, is this what an encyclopedia is for? Why do so many people have this compulsion to write marketing copy in an encyclopedia? (06:09, 17 August 2007) 24.90.17.134 (UTC)
I wanted to see what other peoples opinions were regarding the trivia section on this page. It looks like it was merged back in after the DS in pop culture page was deleted. I really don't think the list of movie appearances is encyclopedic and it is a violation of WP:NOT and WP:TRIVIA also the consensus over at WP:CAR is to get rid of these sections as they add little actual info. Just because a DS appears in a movie doesn't mean anything it needs to be mentioned in an encyclopedia article unless it is especially significant. -- Daniel J. Leivick 00:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I was looking forward to reading this horrible, monstrous "Trivia" section on the DS everyone is so excited about, so I took a walk through the 'History' section. Turns out there never was a "Trivia" section. There was just a list of notable film appearances, which is pefectly fine. According to WP:TRIVIA: "A selectively populated list with a narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information." 69.8.247.231 17:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The citroen DS is unclampable, top gear tried and failed. Dalek9 ( talk) 18:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
In addition, Chapron also produced a few coupés, non-works convertibles and special sedans (including the 'Prestige,' same wheelbase but with a with a central divider, and the 'Lorraine' notchback).
I think a photo of these ought to be in the article, at least of their interiors, showing the differences.. -- 97.125.124.136 ( talk) 02:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The DS was raced in several races, including the Grand Prix Brno. [1]
I came to this article because I had taken a photo of a DS in Paris and I wanted to figure out which model of the DS it was. In the article is mentioned DS 19, DS 21, DS 23, scattered around in the text. I guess these numbers indicate progressions in the design, like the headlights design. But I find it very hard to figure out exactly what the differences are between the different DS nn. A table providing an overview of the manufacturing years´for the different DS nn summarizing also the differences in design would be very helpful. From the text I cannot figure out which DS nn the car is. In the text is written that the headlights were designed to the sharklook in 1967 (obviously the version in the photo), but is that redesign coupled with an increment in the nn number? -- Slaunger ( talk) 06:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
76.168.227.117 ( talk) 21:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Currently, the article makes a bold assertion: "The development and launch of the CX in the wake of the 1974 oil crisis, bankrupted Citroën"
This implies that the CX literally caused the 1974 bankruptcy - if there was no CX, Citroen would not have declared bankruptcy. If that's true, that means replacing a 20 year old auto design with a modern one is a mistake. In reality, automakers plan for redesigned models all the time - they don't go bankrupt at every model changeover.
I vote to repeal and replace this section.
The 1974 bankruptcy had numerous causes:
76.168.227.117 ( talk) 20:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
hi, i would like to suggest a better infobox photo, one where the DS stands alone. there are tons of DS photos in the commons.
the photo on the left is not good for an intro illustration, but for further down in the article, because it shows the unique design in a 1961 city street context. just an idea.
Maximilian ( talk) 21:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Did it really have a 60/30 split seat? Something doesn't add up. Whitcwa ( talk) 01:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
When did the automatic transmission become an option? The majority of DS cars I've seen have had manual transmissions. -- 75.164.236.190 ( talk) 02:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
September 1971 - but never sold in the United States. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 01:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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The photos seem to have been changed/degraded very recently. We now have unremarkable many photos of the same car, with no context. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 02:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Photos have mostly been fixed. Main photo is still marginal - lighting is poor, white is not the most interesting color, and low position is not most interesting look. I propose replacing it.
These all seem to meet the Wiki criteria:
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It's my understanding that the typical English spelling for a car with a cabin extending to the rear of the vehicle rather than ending at a trunk or tapering as a fastback, also known as an estate, is properly called a 'brake' or, more elaborately, a ' shooting-brake.' Is there any particular reason why every reference to the estate version of the DS in this article is spelled as 'Break'? 108.67.193.248 ( talk) 04:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
There is nothing unique about a rear-engine vehicle carrying the spare in the front so I reverted the addition - Tatra 77 that preceded the Beetle, Japanese cars like the Suzuki and Subaru 360, Renault Alpine 106, Mercedes 107, Hillman Imp, Fiat 500, etc. I can find more examples if needed, but I think the point is demonstrated. MartinezMD ( talk) 18:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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In fact it seems de Gaulle favorite car was not the DS but the Stout Scarab that was given to him by US officers during the WWII. As he was really tall it was the only car he feel really comfortable in. Ericd 17:42 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I don't think I said "favorite car". However, this picture seems to indicate that he was in fact too tall for the DS. B-) EvanProdromou
Nice pic !
I like theses too :
http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/chan/chan/gaulle/CHANGau3.htm
I don't said you said ;-) He really like the DS and considered it as a national pride ;-) that's one of the POV we share but I am more a fan of the Citroën 2CV it might be ideological differences :-( or it might because the DS was a mechanical nightmare :-O that made the fortune of some DS specialists while the nearly anybody could disassemble and reassemble a 2CV. The fact is that De Gaulle didn't feel comfortable in any normal car thus he love the Stout Scarab that was "a monospace before the monospaces" (and a great commercial flop). Of course an American car was not appropriate for a "Président de la République". Ericd 22:22 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hmmmm... you sure are pushing that Stout Scarab, aren't you? B-) I wonder if you have one to sell.... ESP 23:00 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Not at all someone (not me) added a reference to the Stout Scarab at the end of the Citroën 2CV article so I made some research on it. Ericd 00:11 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
There's a DS in Ghostbusters? David.Monniaux 08:29, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed some of the unnecessary linking in the article ( research and laboratory, for example). --16 April 2006.
I've always loved the DS/ID. When I was a kid a family I knew owned one. It was a '67. It was black and loaded with all the option's. The original owner was the French consulate in NY. It was the car DeGaul rode in when he visited NY. I thought it was so cool. Wish I'd been old enough to drive when you could still own these. I knew a few people who owned one.
Stu Pickels drove one in the Rug Rats movie. I think I saw a few in Diva. The last one I saw on the road was about five years ago in Lyon. An old Frenchman told me (in French) that it was also the first one he had seen in a long, long time. I think the last one I saw in the U.S. was at a junkyard in TX about 17 years ago. I drive a Peugeot. They're practically extinct in most parts of the U.S. now too. I can drive for months without seeing another.
On holiday in France this year I found a couple old rotting ones, even more happily I found a pristine one back home in Scotland outside a local furniture store celebrating some party. It was truly gorgeous, I had to stop, pull over, and come admire it. Even better than in photos. Talking of photos, I'll see about getting mine online...
Not clear on meaning of this reference: ' The preceding text indicates the tires were shot out and the car could still drive - is the question about exactly what was visible in the film? 66.77.124.61 22:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
It is my understanding that the car could be driven with with only three tires. I have not seen this done however.
The DS / ID has a zero angle or neutral steering geometry. This is a passive safety feature designed into the car, so if the car hits a stone or a pot hole in the road, the steering wheel will not be pulled to one side, thereby the driver retains full control of the direction of travel. This will also work if there is a flat front tire. As far as I know, it is the only car to have this feature. CitroenCX2000 ( talk) 18:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't know the full history of the model well enough to edit this point, but it seems like the headlights aren't very well explained. There's mention of the redesign and streamlining of the front of the car, and the swivelling lights, but there's no clear explanation that the ID had the older single lights, nor that they're not the same as the exposed lights on the US model; in fact a photo of a single-light DS with added spot or fog lamps had been labelled wrongly as the US model. I've changed that in the label, but it'd be great if somebody who knows the chronology could clarify it in the article. I'll try to research it so I can do it if nobody else wants to :) – Kieran T ( talk | contribs) 11:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Made changes under Design Variations - issue covered? 66.77.124.61 04:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Elsewhere in Wiki the Crosley Hotshot is mentioned as the first production vehicle equipped with disc brakes. Can someone help resolve this discrepancy? LorenzoB 20:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Go to the disc brake page in Wikipedia - it has a pretty thorough explanation of the 'who was first' issue. 66.77.124.61 19:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the article dwells a bit too much on 'what is LHM' - good info that other articles could also reference. Interestingly the brake fluid article indicates there are exactly 3 kinds of brake fluid, none of which is LHM. 66.77.124.61 19:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
The article implies that the SM had many interchangable parts with the DS. That is not correct. While the SM is conceptually like the DS in many respects, it is a unique model. More generally, cars from different generations don't have interchangable parts, unless those parts are very generic - you can take the battery from a 2006 Toyota Corolla and place it in a 1990 Corolla and it will probably work, but not say the exhaust manifold or the transmission. 66.77.124.61 02:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't have details, but my recollection is that parts of the suspension and the steering were interchangeable between SM and DS in the early 1970s. Certainly not "generic" components. Clearly the engine and gearbox were unrelated. Groogle 00:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I recall the original citation had something to do with the SM & DS using the same parts - not interchangable parts. 66.77.124.61 02:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
We had slid back into implying that the SM & DS are basically the same car under the skin. Not true. The SM was not a parts bin car, it was a unique model. What is true is that the SM could be considered a "new, replacement DS" completely redesigned 15 years later, but targeting a different, very small market segment. This constant recitation that the parts were the "same" is confusing to the reader and inaccurate. 76.171.244.226 ( talk) 16:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
The sections DS Engines and Technical Details - Drivetrain cover the same territory. Consolidate? 66.77.124.61 04:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
There's a "citation needed" against this item. I think I wrote it in the first place, and it's based on my experience: I have done this in about 1971 (required a different exhaust manifold), but I don't have any backup documentation. Any idea how to confirm that it worked? Groogle 00:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I mean really, is this what an encyclopedia is for? Why do so many people have this compulsion to write marketing copy in an encyclopedia? (06:09, 17 August 2007) 24.90.17.134 (UTC)
I wanted to see what other peoples opinions were regarding the trivia section on this page. It looks like it was merged back in after the DS in pop culture page was deleted. I really don't think the list of movie appearances is encyclopedic and it is a violation of WP:NOT and WP:TRIVIA also the consensus over at WP:CAR is to get rid of these sections as they add little actual info. Just because a DS appears in a movie doesn't mean anything it needs to be mentioned in an encyclopedia article unless it is especially significant. -- Daniel J. Leivick 00:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I was looking forward to reading this horrible, monstrous "Trivia" section on the DS everyone is so excited about, so I took a walk through the 'History' section. Turns out there never was a "Trivia" section. There was just a list of notable film appearances, which is pefectly fine. According to WP:TRIVIA: "A selectively populated list with a narrow theme is not necessarily trivia, and can be the best way to present some types of information." 69.8.247.231 17:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The citroen DS is unclampable, top gear tried and failed. Dalek9 ( talk) 18:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
In addition, Chapron also produced a few coupés, non-works convertibles and special sedans (including the 'Prestige,' same wheelbase but with a with a central divider, and the 'Lorraine' notchback).
I think a photo of these ought to be in the article, at least of their interiors, showing the differences.. -- 97.125.124.136 ( talk) 02:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
The DS was raced in several races, including the Grand Prix Brno. [1]
I came to this article because I had taken a photo of a DS in Paris and I wanted to figure out which model of the DS it was. In the article is mentioned DS 19, DS 21, DS 23, scattered around in the text. I guess these numbers indicate progressions in the design, like the headlights design. But I find it very hard to figure out exactly what the differences are between the different DS nn. A table providing an overview of the manufacturing years´for the different DS nn summarizing also the differences in design would be very helpful. From the text I cannot figure out which DS nn the car is. In the text is written that the headlights were designed to the sharklook in 1967 (obviously the version in the photo), but is that redesign coupled with an increment in the nn number? -- Slaunger ( talk) 06:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
76.168.227.117 ( talk) 21:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Currently, the article makes a bold assertion: "The development and launch of the CX in the wake of the 1974 oil crisis, bankrupted Citroën"
This implies that the CX literally caused the 1974 bankruptcy - if there was no CX, Citroen would not have declared bankruptcy. If that's true, that means replacing a 20 year old auto design with a modern one is a mistake. In reality, automakers plan for redesigned models all the time - they don't go bankrupt at every model changeover.
I vote to repeal and replace this section.
The 1974 bankruptcy had numerous causes:
76.168.227.117 ( talk) 20:48, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
hi, i would like to suggest a better infobox photo, one where the DS stands alone. there are tons of DS photos in the commons.
the photo on the left is not good for an intro illustration, but for further down in the article, because it shows the unique design in a 1961 city street context. just an idea.
Maximilian ( talk) 21:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Did it really have a 60/30 split seat? Something doesn't add up. Whitcwa ( talk) 01:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
When did the automatic transmission become an option? The majority of DS cars I've seen have had manual transmissions. -- 75.164.236.190 ( talk) 02:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
September 1971 - but never sold in the United States. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 01:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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The photos seem to have been changed/degraded very recently. We now have unremarkable many photos of the same car, with no context. PLawrence99cx ( talk) 02:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Photos have mostly been fixed. Main photo is still marginal - lighting is poor, white is not the most interesting color, and low position is not most interesting look. I propose replacing it.
These all seem to meet the Wiki criteria:
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,
,
,
,
PLawrence99cx (
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02:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
It's my understanding that the typical English spelling for a car with a cabin extending to the rear of the vehicle rather than ending at a trunk or tapering as a fastback, also known as an estate, is properly called a 'brake' or, more elaborately, a ' shooting-brake.' Is there any particular reason why every reference to the estate version of the DS in this article is spelled as 'Break'? 108.67.193.248 ( talk) 04:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
There is nothing unique about a rear-engine vehicle carrying the spare in the front so I reverted the addition - Tatra 77 that preceded the Beetle, Japanese cars like the Suzuki and Subaru 360, Renault Alpine 106, Mercedes 107, Hillman Imp, Fiat 500, etc. I can find more examples if needed, but I think the point is demonstrated. MartinezMD ( talk) 18:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)