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A fact from Citizen Erased appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 December 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT1: ... that although
Muse recorded a
string section for their 2001 song "Citizen Erased", it remained inaudible until the song was given a new mix in 2021? Source:
Muse YouTube channel - Band members discussing the string section
Neutral: - it has been regarded as the album's centrepiece is sourced to a single review. As that is
indirect speech, it should be given
in-text attribution, or supplemented with other sources saying the same thing.
Other problems: -
WP:V issue: Lede contradicts body. The original song was never released as a single, but the remix was. (On that note, 'Citizen Erased' was not released as a single from Origin of Symmetry. Despite this, it became a fan favourite. sets off
SYNTHy alarm bells, but is verified in the GQ cite, so no issue there; just noting it for anyone who had the same thought as me. [Besides, we all know
the best song isn't the single.])
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: @
Aria1561: This probably looks like more issues than it is; just two small tweaks needed and then we're good to go. Both hooks pass, although I find ALT1 significantly more interesting—but I'll leave that up to the promoter.Sidenote, would you like me to restore the deleted revisions of the page from 2006? It's completely unreferenced, so not sure there'd be anything in there of use to you, but thought I'd offer. --
Tamzincetacean needed (she|they|xe)20:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Tamzin: Issues have been cleared up – added clarification in lead and added additional sources to the centerpiece claim in the prose. No need to restore the deleted revisions also, much of the prose was unsourced and the only sources used came from a fan-run wiki. The article is certainly better now than how it was back then lol.
Aria1561 (
talk)
23:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I removed the
false titles from this article, but I see they've been restored without explanation. I won't challenge this as it's not a major issue, and kind of an issue of editorial preference, but I just wanted to flag it for editors who may not be aware that false titles are "a thing". (I certainly wasn't, for years.)
Popcornfud (
talk)
04:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I haven't seen objections to false titles before and it became a part of my personal editorial handbook as a result of seeing them often while reading music-related articles (personally it still sounds correct when the adjective is used prior to the noun; i.e., "by English rock band Muse" – without that adjective I would use "the" instead). Additionally, the majority of Muse album articles had their leads introduced that way, so it seemed like the more consistent route to include it.
Aria1561 (
talk)
22:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)reply
This article is part of WikiProject Alternative music, a group of Wikipedians interested in improving the encyclopedic coverage of articles relating to
alternative rock. If you would like to help out, you are welcome to drop by
the project page and/or leave a query at
the project's talk page.Alternative musicWikipedia:WikiProject Alternative musicTemplate:WikiProject Alternative musicAlternative music articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rock music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Rock music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Rock musicWikipedia:WikiProject Rock musicTemplate:WikiProject Rock musicRock music articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SongsWikipedia:WikiProject SongsTemplate:WikiProject Songssong articles
A fact from Citizen Erased appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 December 2022 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT1: ... that although
Muse recorded a
string section for their 2001 song "Citizen Erased", it remained inaudible until the song was given a new mix in 2021? Source:
Muse YouTube channel - Band members discussing the string section
Neutral: - it has been regarded as the album's centrepiece is sourced to a single review. As that is
indirect speech, it should be given
in-text attribution, or supplemented with other sources saying the same thing.
Other problems: -
WP:V issue: Lede contradicts body. The original song was never released as a single, but the remix was. (On that note, 'Citizen Erased' was not released as a single from Origin of Symmetry. Despite this, it became a fan favourite. sets off
SYNTHy alarm bells, but is verified in the GQ cite, so no issue there; just noting it for anyone who had the same thought as me. [Besides, we all know
the best song isn't the single.])
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: @
Aria1561: This probably looks like more issues than it is; just two small tweaks needed and then we're good to go. Both hooks pass, although I find ALT1 significantly more interesting—but I'll leave that up to the promoter.Sidenote, would you like me to restore the deleted revisions of the page from 2006? It's completely unreferenced, so not sure there'd be anything in there of use to you, but thought I'd offer. --
Tamzincetacean needed (she|they|xe)20:11, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Tamzin: Issues have been cleared up – added clarification in lead and added additional sources to the centerpiece claim in the prose. No need to restore the deleted revisions also, much of the prose was unsourced and the only sources used came from a fan-run wiki. The article is certainly better now than how it was back then lol.
Aria1561 (
talk)
23:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I removed the
false titles from this article, but I see they've been restored without explanation. I won't challenge this as it's not a major issue, and kind of an issue of editorial preference, but I just wanted to flag it for editors who may not be aware that false titles are "a thing". (I certainly wasn't, for years.)
Popcornfud (
talk)
04:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)reply
I haven't seen objections to false titles before and it became a part of my personal editorial handbook as a result of seeing them often while reading music-related articles (personally it still sounds correct when the adjective is used prior to the noun; i.e., "by English rock band Muse" – without that adjective I would use "the" instead). Additionally, the majority of Muse album articles had their leads introduced that way, so it seemed like the more consistent route to include it.
Aria1561 (
talk)
22:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)reply