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No Fideas Fogg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.122.145 ( talk) 19:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Regarding Sandhurst's deletion of Jason Lewis information. The October issue of Outside magazine outlines the fact that Jason Lewis' expedition does not conform to the Guinness guidelines on two counts; legs completed out of order, and that he did not exclusively use his own power crossing the Atlantic Ocean. These facts can be further verified by looking in the history of Jason Lewis' own site - www.expedition360.com. His site details a leg of the journey near Australia where he then received a tow and then returned years later to complete this section. Lewis also pedalled across the ocean with a partner and they took turns propelling the boat. The Guinness Guidelines clearly indicate this is not allowed. Outside Magazine is the world's leading outdoor magazine in terms of readership. They have no reason for bias, and this is what they have reported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.131.58 ( talk) 13:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Russeaby that Lewis' expedition doesn't really merit mention since it isn't a proper circumnavigation. The only thing, however, is I've noticed all the British media are stating that it is the first human powered circumnavigation and some are even saying it complies with Guinness. I think a lot of the media come here to get information, so it probably is worthwhile including this information so they get the relevant information on Lewis. What do you guys think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.66.49 ( talk) 16:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Human Powered Circumnavigation: “circumnavigation of the northern hemisphere” needs to be changed. By definition to circumnavigate means to go around the perimeter of an object. Webster’s ninth edition defines “circumnavigate” as to go around instead of through. For example, if you walk a big circle around the middle of an island you have not circumnavigated the island. It is necessary to travel beyond the outer perimeter of the shoreline.The northern hemisphere is composed of everything north of the equator. This means a circumnavigation of the northern hemisphere would have to be a route that takes place outside of this region.
Colin’s journey could be correctly termed as a circumnavigation of the southern hemisphere, a circumnavigation of the North Pole, or a circumnavigation within the northern hemisphere. The first two are confusing and don’t adequately convey what the journey is composed of. “A circumnavigation within the northern hemisphere” or “A circumnavigation of the world within the northern hemisphere” would be the most accurate description.
According to what dictionary does circumnavigate by itself mean circumnavigate the globe. Mine doesn't give that definition. Is this accepted or just bad practice? Rmhermen 12:17 Aug 23, 2002 (PDT)
Harry Pidgeon, 1869 - 1954. That can't be right! The others are dates when they did the circumnavigation. This looks like someone's birth. I understand Pidgeons circumnavigations were 1921-1925 1932-1937. See eg [ [1]]. Billlion 09:15, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
He can not have circumnavigated since he died on the way. Del Cano or Enrique should be considerred the First Circumnavigator.-- Jondel 04:50, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* Tania Aebi, 1985– 1987, youngest (at age 18-20) and first American woman to complete a solo circumnavigation aboard 26' sailboat Varuna."
I think that the inclusion of this entry is slighly suspect to say the least!
It is made quite clear in the book "Maiden Voyage" (ISBN: 0345410122) by Tania Aebi and Bernadette Brennan that there was one leg of the "circumnavigation" that was completed with more than one person on board - somewhere in the Pacific and of around 500 miles.
When told of this fact by an anonymous note left on the boat Aebi ponders whether to retrace her steps and complete the leg again or just carry on. As far as I recall (it's been a few years since I read the book) she carried on. M100 21:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
"It can be seen that the route roughly approximates a great circle, and passes through two pairs of antipodal points.", "It can be seen that the route does not pass through any pairs of antipodal points." I don't understand what does these lines on antipodes implies/means. Anyone care to explain? -- 218.103.172.147 08:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Were there ever references for this article? There are inline citations that have no accompanying footnotes. Isopropyl 05:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
There was a glitch in one of the ref tags (wasn't closed), so it masked the whole end matter. Fixed now. Akradecki 05:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not think that Ken Barnes or even an "attempted" section warents inclusion on this page. I hardly think his own article should be on WP. Russeasby 16:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
An unregistered wikipedian keeps vandalising Circumnavigation so I am request it be semi-protected. Russeasby 16:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
To the editor at 70.66.193.53 no one is objecting to your inclusion of the human powered circumnavigation, but this is an encyclopedia, your human powered circumnavigation addition does not fit the definition of a circumnavigation per Guiness, which is certainly an authority on such matters. So the edit myself and others have continuely tried to add to your addition simply clarifies that. It is in no way ment to belittle the increadable feat these people pulled off and I for one think their feat deserves inclusion here, but it needs to be clear that it is not a commonly accepted technical circumnavigation.
As to the External Link you keep readding, since you link to the same exact Press Release from National Geographic as your reference and thus it is already linked to from this Article, I do not see what warrents its inclusion twice in another form.
Per the 3 reverts rule I personally am not going to edit this part of the article again today, but I do hope to resolve the matter. Russeasby 17:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
To Russeasby: The basis of the Wikipedia Encyclopedia is that all facts need to be cited. There is no statement on the internet from an official source which outlines the requirements (if there are any) from Guinness for a human-powered circumnavigation. With regards to antipodal requirements, this is not required of many types of circumnavigations including yacht racing, powered aircraft circumnavigations, and balloon circumnavigations. What official source on the internet states that a human powered circumnavigation is required to reach antipodal points? National Geographic is considered a leading source of Geographical information and there are numerous sources on the internet indicating National Geographic has accepted this expedition as valid. The only sources stating otherwise are individual websites where various definitions have been created to suit personal needs.
from the feat itsself, which still includes the NG reference.
Russ: I don't disagree that reaching antipodal points is required for some definitions. The requirements are different depending on what kind of circumnavigation you are doing:
An official nautical circumnavigation, according to the International Sailing Federation/World Sailing Speed Record Council, requires, for example, that the vessel start from and finish at the same port, cross all meridians of longitude, cross the Equator, and travel at least 21,600 nautical miles (40,000 kilometres). There are no antipodal requirements
The FAI states that for a powered aircraft to officially circumnavigate the planet it must cross all meridians in one direction, travel a distance of at least 36,787.559 kilometres (the length of the Tropic of Cancer), and complete the journey at the point of departure. There is no requirement that it cross the Equator or touch on two antipodal points (points that are directly opposite one another on the globe). Most existing continuous circumnavigation records that are not solely nautical have followed these rules. Guinness World Records endorses the FAI requirements by recognizing feats that have adhered their guidelines: the Guinness record for the fastest circumnavigation of the planet (excluding orbiting space craft) is held by Air France for a Concorde flight that lasted just over 31 hours, and was completed entirely within the northern hemisphere.
The 250,000 horsepower thrust of the Concorde's engines allow it to make progress against the strongest of winds, and to stay within a few hundred metres of a perfect great circle route. In other words, there is no form of transportation more capable of tracing a perfect circumnavigation of the Earth. If Guinness accepts this, it would be ludicrous to make tougher rules for people on their own two feet.
You will be able to find references many references on the internet stating that antipodal requirements are required for certain types of circumnavigations,but never for human powered circumnavigations (apart from on the self-serving website of Jason Lewis).
I cannot provide any references to what guidelines Guinness proffers for a human-powered circumnavigation because I have been unable to find any information available either on the net or elsewhere. I'm assuming they have never created a definition for a human powered circumnavigation.
Russ: You make some valid points, as do the other fellows below. I was the one that actually first wrote the human powered entry after reading about it in National Geographic Adventure Magazine. I felt it would be a suitable entry for circumnavigations.
Your above entry looks reasonable. Or, perhaps now is too premature to even include an entry on human powered circumnavigations. This page seems to include various rules for different circumnavigations tied to reliable sources, along with the feats that have adhered to these rules.
At this point our entry would basically be "maybe this guy did it, and we haven't found any valid rules yet" which isn't really in line with the definitive stuff in the rest of the article.
What do you think about just removing the entry and waiting until Guinness or National Geographic officially writes something about the required rules, etc? Frank
Russ: That looks great. It includes the attempt and remains completely neutral. I don't think anyone would argue that it is biased one way or another.
Wow, so this section (HPC) seems to be controlled by some sort of Nazi mob of mafioso armchair experts who, despite being barely to spell and string intelligible sentences together, decide who and what content can be contributed. I recently updated some (non point of view) information regarding independent recognition by Explorers Web for a 13 year effort (on my part) to circumnavigate the world by human power (in the absence of Guinness having a 'first' HPC category). It was deleted immediately by one of you on grounds that, as web-based information, it was not valid. Who the hell do you think you guys are - God? Thanks for being NPOV (not). Jason Lewis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonlewis6123 ( talk • contribs) 19:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
PullToOpen ( talk · contribs) wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
In the world circumavigation section "sailing" is how its labeled for sea based circumnavigations. Yet in the notible section the term Maritime is used. I think Msritime is the better definition, as obviously (even if not listed here yet) power vessels have circumnavigated. I intend to change "sailing" to "maritime", though am open to perhaps a subsection being included within maritimje if warrented. Ideas anyone? Lets make this a good article. Russeasby 02:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
The list of notable circumnavigators is longer then the article itsself. I dont suggest trimming it as it is a worthwhile list for sure, but perhaps moving it to a seperate article is a good idea at this point? My thought is to move the list to its own article and within this article expand a bit upon specific highly notable circumnavigators. Russeasby 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone circumnavigated both under sails and by air? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.228.13 ( talk • contribs) 18:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC).
hi, abhilash here. has anyone ever done a solo circumnavigation under sail and by air? awaiting answers. 203.94.228.13 15:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
There have been a lot of edits lately related to Jason Lewis and the section on Human Powered Circumnavigations. This is understandable since he has just completed his expedition and thus there is interest in the story. But lets all try to be reasonable here and try to remaine NPOV. The same thing happend when Colin Angus completeled his expidtion. There is always going to be people (some COI, some fans and some just disagreeing) who want to promote their POV when a major and publicied feat like this has been accomplished. I wont argue that Jason Lewis feat is unworthy of mention here, but NPOV needs to be maintained. Among world records, wether it be speed, firsts, whatever, Guiness is well recognized as the authority on such record keeping and authorizing. Acording to their guidelines, no one to date has yet completely a true human powered circumnavigation, and that includes Jason Lewis (who took, what, 10 years? lots of non human powered trips back home then returning to the last stop to restart?). Now, since no one has actually completed one, the most notable efforts are certainly worth inclusion here, but pushing POV and trying to change the article to suggest someone has actually done it, when they havnt, is not encyclopedic (look back at the arguments of Colin Angus who didnt hit antipodal points). This article is not the place to go into a lot of details about who and what thinks this and that, keep it breif and to the point, its already silly that anyone mentioned in the Human Powered section has more detail then any other specific person has in any other section, this article is an overview of circumnavigations, keep the details and arguments to the articles specific to the person and/or feat. Wikipedia is not the place for anyone to do their marketing and/or propiganda, an amazing feat will stand on its own without COI suggestions otherwise (and anyone editing suggesting orgs they are appealing to before this is public information is probably a COI editor). Russeasby 07:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I think you're right there. The same thing happened with Colin Angus when they finished their expedition - they are all trying to say it's a circumnavigation when it isn't so with Guinness. I think we can all agree Guinness is the ultimate authority on things like this, and they've definitely got a set of guidelines. There's a guy right now - Erden Eruc - who's doing a circumnavigation right following the Guinness Guidelines to a T. Gimpyleg
Note: Just because you lke boats doesn't mean that cicumnavigation is all about boats. You have far out-weighed this section with ocean-circumnavigations. no one is vandalisin anything, just adding info on land circumnavigations! - Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.175.218 ( talk) 15:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
because in this section headed 'human-powered' you are telling us about these who didn't achieve that. why? If the word 'amazing' bothers you then take it out. No big deal. Too much on boats!
There have probably been thousands of 'notable failures', which serves us little to know about. You almost entirely missed foot circumnavigations, out-weighed this section with boat attempts, which number the thousands and you missed 2 of the most famous circumnavigators as listed on Wikipedia (Arthur Blesit and Heinz Stucke). - Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.175.218 ( talk) 15:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Well OK Jason, I just think that there should be a balance...
Well, you seem to want to 'OWN' this section...I suggest that instead of writing 'this man was an American' and 'this man was another American' BUT forget to write what other non-American nationalities are, you do it it like this in all cases, after the persons name (USA) (UK) (CN) etc... then you would avoid people thinking that you are trying to re/write history in favour of other Americans... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.175.218 ( talk) 17:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The introduction needs to be expanded to reflect the content of the article. Another thing that is necessary is an explanation of the word "circumnavigate". Amandajm ( talk) 14:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, The Graf Zeppelin did not make a true circumnavigation, but a world tour (A Weltfahrt) as the total distance covered was too short. The circumnavigation record for an airship is still open. Regards JB (www.hybridairship.net) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.224.30.86 ( talk) 21:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
You should know about this and comment. One of our editors has systematically depopulated it (from this article among many others), and thinks that is a good reason to delete it. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 13:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Adrian Flanagan did it via poles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.30.186.107 ( talk) 14:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
No idea why this is so wrong here and at List of circumnavigations but he survived. The Villalobos Expedition wasn't previously listed here—possibly because it was only intended to go from Mexico to the Philippines and stay put—but its actual men went from Spain to Mexico to the Philippines to the Spice Islands to a Portuguese brig to Lisbon, whence they were released back to Spain... i.e., they completed a third circumnavigation just as much as anyone in Loaisa's group did. Maester Anes ("Hans von Aachen") was with them setting out, as well; if he made it, he did all three before Drake. — LlywelynII 11:07, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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No Fideas Fogg? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.122.145 ( talk) 19:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Regarding Sandhurst's deletion of Jason Lewis information. The October issue of Outside magazine outlines the fact that Jason Lewis' expedition does not conform to the Guinness guidelines on two counts; legs completed out of order, and that he did not exclusively use his own power crossing the Atlantic Ocean. These facts can be further verified by looking in the history of Jason Lewis' own site - www.expedition360.com. His site details a leg of the journey near Australia where he then received a tow and then returned years later to complete this section. Lewis also pedalled across the ocean with a partner and they took turns propelling the boat. The Guinness Guidelines clearly indicate this is not allowed. Outside Magazine is the world's leading outdoor magazine in terms of readership. They have no reason for bias, and this is what they have reported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.131.58 ( talk) 13:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Russeaby that Lewis' expedition doesn't really merit mention since it isn't a proper circumnavigation. The only thing, however, is I've noticed all the British media are stating that it is the first human powered circumnavigation and some are even saying it complies with Guinness. I think a lot of the media come here to get information, so it probably is worthwhile including this information so they get the relevant information on Lewis. What do you guys think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.94.66.49 ( talk) 16:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Human Powered Circumnavigation: “circumnavigation of the northern hemisphere” needs to be changed. By definition to circumnavigate means to go around the perimeter of an object. Webster’s ninth edition defines “circumnavigate” as to go around instead of through. For example, if you walk a big circle around the middle of an island you have not circumnavigated the island. It is necessary to travel beyond the outer perimeter of the shoreline.The northern hemisphere is composed of everything north of the equator. This means a circumnavigation of the northern hemisphere would have to be a route that takes place outside of this region.
Colin’s journey could be correctly termed as a circumnavigation of the southern hemisphere, a circumnavigation of the North Pole, or a circumnavigation within the northern hemisphere. The first two are confusing and don’t adequately convey what the journey is composed of. “A circumnavigation within the northern hemisphere” or “A circumnavigation of the world within the northern hemisphere” would be the most accurate description.
According to what dictionary does circumnavigate by itself mean circumnavigate the globe. Mine doesn't give that definition. Is this accepted or just bad practice? Rmhermen 12:17 Aug 23, 2002 (PDT)
Harry Pidgeon, 1869 - 1954. That can't be right! The others are dates when they did the circumnavigation. This looks like someone's birth. I understand Pidgeons circumnavigations were 1921-1925 1932-1937. See eg [ [1]]. Billlion 09:15, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
He can not have circumnavigated since he died on the way. Del Cano or Enrique should be considerred the First Circumnavigator.-- Jondel 04:50, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* Tania Aebi, 1985– 1987, youngest (at age 18-20) and first American woman to complete a solo circumnavigation aboard 26' sailboat Varuna."
I think that the inclusion of this entry is slighly suspect to say the least!
It is made quite clear in the book "Maiden Voyage" (ISBN: 0345410122) by Tania Aebi and Bernadette Brennan that there was one leg of the "circumnavigation" that was completed with more than one person on board - somewhere in the Pacific and of around 500 miles.
When told of this fact by an anonymous note left on the boat Aebi ponders whether to retrace her steps and complete the leg again or just carry on. As far as I recall (it's been a few years since I read the book) she carried on. M100 21:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
"It can be seen that the route roughly approximates a great circle, and passes through two pairs of antipodal points.", "It can be seen that the route does not pass through any pairs of antipodal points." I don't understand what does these lines on antipodes implies/means. Anyone care to explain? -- 218.103.172.147 08:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Were there ever references for this article? There are inline citations that have no accompanying footnotes. Isopropyl 05:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
There was a glitch in one of the ref tags (wasn't closed), so it masked the whole end matter. Fixed now. Akradecki 05:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not think that Ken Barnes or even an "attempted" section warents inclusion on this page. I hardly think his own article should be on WP. Russeasby 16:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
An unregistered wikipedian keeps vandalising Circumnavigation so I am request it be semi-protected. Russeasby 16:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
To the editor at 70.66.193.53 no one is objecting to your inclusion of the human powered circumnavigation, but this is an encyclopedia, your human powered circumnavigation addition does not fit the definition of a circumnavigation per Guiness, which is certainly an authority on such matters. So the edit myself and others have continuely tried to add to your addition simply clarifies that. It is in no way ment to belittle the increadable feat these people pulled off and I for one think their feat deserves inclusion here, but it needs to be clear that it is not a commonly accepted technical circumnavigation.
As to the External Link you keep readding, since you link to the same exact Press Release from National Geographic as your reference and thus it is already linked to from this Article, I do not see what warrents its inclusion twice in another form.
Per the 3 reverts rule I personally am not going to edit this part of the article again today, but I do hope to resolve the matter. Russeasby 17:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
To Russeasby: The basis of the Wikipedia Encyclopedia is that all facts need to be cited. There is no statement on the internet from an official source which outlines the requirements (if there are any) from Guinness for a human-powered circumnavigation. With regards to antipodal requirements, this is not required of many types of circumnavigations including yacht racing, powered aircraft circumnavigations, and balloon circumnavigations. What official source on the internet states that a human powered circumnavigation is required to reach antipodal points? National Geographic is considered a leading source of Geographical information and there are numerous sources on the internet indicating National Geographic has accepted this expedition as valid. The only sources stating otherwise are individual websites where various definitions have been created to suit personal needs.
from the feat itsself, which still includes the NG reference.
Russ: I don't disagree that reaching antipodal points is required for some definitions. The requirements are different depending on what kind of circumnavigation you are doing:
An official nautical circumnavigation, according to the International Sailing Federation/World Sailing Speed Record Council, requires, for example, that the vessel start from and finish at the same port, cross all meridians of longitude, cross the Equator, and travel at least 21,600 nautical miles (40,000 kilometres). There are no antipodal requirements
The FAI states that for a powered aircraft to officially circumnavigate the planet it must cross all meridians in one direction, travel a distance of at least 36,787.559 kilometres (the length of the Tropic of Cancer), and complete the journey at the point of departure. There is no requirement that it cross the Equator or touch on two antipodal points (points that are directly opposite one another on the globe). Most existing continuous circumnavigation records that are not solely nautical have followed these rules. Guinness World Records endorses the FAI requirements by recognizing feats that have adhered their guidelines: the Guinness record for the fastest circumnavigation of the planet (excluding orbiting space craft) is held by Air France for a Concorde flight that lasted just over 31 hours, and was completed entirely within the northern hemisphere.
The 250,000 horsepower thrust of the Concorde's engines allow it to make progress against the strongest of winds, and to stay within a few hundred metres of a perfect great circle route. In other words, there is no form of transportation more capable of tracing a perfect circumnavigation of the Earth. If Guinness accepts this, it would be ludicrous to make tougher rules for people on their own two feet.
You will be able to find references many references on the internet stating that antipodal requirements are required for certain types of circumnavigations,but never for human powered circumnavigations (apart from on the self-serving website of Jason Lewis).
I cannot provide any references to what guidelines Guinness proffers for a human-powered circumnavigation because I have been unable to find any information available either on the net or elsewhere. I'm assuming they have never created a definition for a human powered circumnavigation.
Russ: You make some valid points, as do the other fellows below. I was the one that actually first wrote the human powered entry after reading about it in National Geographic Adventure Magazine. I felt it would be a suitable entry for circumnavigations.
Your above entry looks reasonable. Or, perhaps now is too premature to even include an entry on human powered circumnavigations. This page seems to include various rules for different circumnavigations tied to reliable sources, along with the feats that have adhered to these rules.
At this point our entry would basically be "maybe this guy did it, and we haven't found any valid rules yet" which isn't really in line with the definitive stuff in the rest of the article.
What do you think about just removing the entry and waiting until Guinness or National Geographic officially writes something about the required rules, etc? Frank
Russ: That looks great. It includes the attempt and remains completely neutral. I don't think anyone would argue that it is biased one way or another.
Wow, so this section (HPC) seems to be controlled by some sort of Nazi mob of mafioso armchair experts who, despite being barely to spell and string intelligible sentences together, decide who and what content can be contributed. I recently updated some (non point of view) information regarding independent recognition by Explorers Web for a 13 year effort (on my part) to circumnavigate the world by human power (in the absence of Guinness having a 'first' HPC category). It was deleted immediately by one of you on grounds that, as web-based information, it was not valid. Who the hell do you think you guys are - God? Thanks for being NPOV (not). Jason Lewis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonlewis6123 ( talk • contribs) 19:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
PullToOpen ( talk · contribs) wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
In the world circumavigation section "sailing" is how its labeled for sea based circumnavigations. Yet in the notible section the term Maritime is used. I think Msritime is the better definition, as obviously (even if not listed here yet) power vessels have circumnavigated. I intend to change "sailing" to "maritime", though am open to perhaps a subsection being included within maritimje if warrented. Ideas anyone? Lets make this a good article. Russeasby 02:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
The list of notable circumnavigators is longer then the article itsself. I dont suggest trimming it as it is a worthwhile list for sure, but perhaps moving it to a seperate article is a good idea at this point? My thought is to move the list to its own article and within this article expand a bit upon specific highly notable circumnavigators. Russeasby 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone circumnavigated both under sails and by air? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.228.13 ( talk • contribs) 18:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC).
hi, abhilash here. has anyone ever done a solo circumnavigation under sail and by air? awaiting answers. 203.94.228.13 15:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
There have been a lot of edits lately related to Jason Lewis and the section on Human Powered Circumnavigations. This is understandable since he has just completed his expedition and thus there is interest in the story. But lets all try to be reasonable here and try to remaine NPOV. The same thing happend when Colin Angus completeled his expidtion. There is always going to be people (some COI, some fans and some just disagreeing) who want to promote their POV when a major and publicied feat like this has been accomplished. I wont argue that Jason Lewis feat is unworthy of mention here, but NPOV needs to be maintained. Among world records, wether it be speed, firsts, whatever, Guiness is well recognized as the authority on such record keeping and authorizing. Acording to their guidelines, no one to date has yet completely a true human powered circumnavigation, and that includes Jason Lewis (who took, what, 10 years? lots of non human powered trips back home then returning to the last stop to restart?). Now, since no one has actually completed one, the most notable efforts are certainly worth inclusion here, but pushing POV and trying to change the article to suggest someone has actually done it, when they havnt, is not encyclopedic (look back at the arguments of Colin Angus who didnt hit antipodal points). This article is not the place to go into a lot of details about who and what thinks this and that, keep it breif and to the point, its already silly that anyone mentioned in the Human Powered section has more detail then any other specific person has in any other section, this article is an overview of circumnavigations, keep the details and arguments to the articles specific to the person and/or feat. Wikipedia is not the place for anyone to do their marketing and/or propiganda, an amazing feat will stand on its own without COI suggestions otherwise (and anyone editing suggesting orgs they are appealing to before this is public information is probably a COI editor). Russeasby 07:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I think you're right there. The same thing happened with Colin Angus when they finished their expedition - they are all trying to say it's a circumnavigation when it isn't so with Guinness. I think we can all agree Guinness is the ultimate authority on things like this, and they've definitely got a set of guidelines. There's a guy right now - Erden Eruc - who's doing a circumnavigation right following the Guinness Guidelines to a T. Gimpyleg
Note: Just because you lke boats doesn't mean that cicumnavigation is all about boats. You have far out-weighed this section with ocean-circumnavigations. no one is vandalisin anything, just adding info on land circumnavigations! - Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.175.218 ( talk) 15:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
because in this section headed 'human-powered' you are telling us about these who didn't achieve that. why? If the word 'amazing' bothers you then take it out. No big deal. Too much on boats!
There have probably been thousands of 'notable failures', which serves us little to know about. You almost entirely missed foot circumnavigations, out-weighed this section with boat attempts, which number the thousands and you missed 2 of the most famous circumnavigators as listed on Wikipedia (Arthur Blesit and Heinz Stucke). - Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.175.218 ( talk) 15:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Well OK Jason, I just think that there should be a balance...
Well, you seem to want to 'OWN' this section...I suggest that instead of writing 'this man was an American' and 'this man was another American' BUT forget to write what other non-American nationalities are, you do it it like this in all cases, after the persons name (USA) (UK) (CN) etc... then you would avoid people thinking that you are trying to re/write history in favour of other Americans... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.175.218 ( talk) 17:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
The introduction needs to be expanded to reflect the content of the article. Another thing that is necessary is an explanation of the word "circumnavigate". Amandajm ( talk) 14:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, The Graf Zeppelin did not make a true circumnavigation, but a world tour (A Weltfahrt) as the total distance covered was too short. The circumnavigation record for an airship is still open. Regards JB (www.hybridairship.net) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.224.30.86 ( talk) 21:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
You should know about this and comment. One of our editors has systematically depopulated it (from this article among many others), and thinks that is a good reason to delete it. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 13:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Adrian Flanagan did it via poles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.30.186.107 ( talk) 14:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
No idea why this is so wrong here and at List of circumnavigations but he survived. The Villalobos Expedition wasn't previously listed here—possibly because it was only intended to go from Mexico to the Philippines and stay put—but its actual men went from Spain to Mexico to the Philippines to the Spice Islands to a Portuguese brig to Lisbon, whence they were released back to Spain... i.e., they completed a third circumnavigation just as much as anyone in Loaisa's group did. Maester Anes ("Hans von Aachen") was with them setting out, as well; if he made it, he did all three before Drake. — LlywelynII 11:07, 28 January 2023 (UTC)