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Given the naming convention of British tanks, Covenanter, Cromwell, Crusader etc and the early stage in the war when Churchills reputation was yet to be confirmed, is it not more likely that the tank was named for the 1st Duke of Marlborough, John Churchill?
The article lists the
Tortoise heavy assault tank as design based on the Churchill. Is it so ? The two vehicles doesn't have much in common and sources about the Churchill (at least those I've read) don't mention the Tortoise...
Bukvoed
09:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I've redone the history section, I'll try and get the design section soon. Oberiko 03:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Jonewer ( talk) 17:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
"Churchill AVRE (Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers) A Churchill III or IV equipped with the Petard, a 290 mm Spigot mortar, throwing the 40 pound (18 kg) "Flying dustbin" with its 28 pound high explosive warhead." Are you sure it is High Explosive? I thought it was shape charged (or Hollow Charged).
Was it an early HESH type?
The following alleged quotation from Churchill has recently been removed without explanation by an anonymous IP: "This tank even has more flaws than me myself!" It's certainly difficult to believe that Churchill used the phrase "me myself". It sounds like the kind of English up with which he would not put. Is this just one of the many apocrophal Churchill lines, or can some more accurate version of it be sourced? Paul B 13:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The section titled MK XIII appears to be an error. Description is very similar to Mk VII. Was there actually a Mk XIII? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.75.175 ( talk) 08:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The Merritt-Brown regenerative gearbox was of such a good design that it was used in many tanks after WW II. The Germans also copied it and used it in the Tiger I and Tiger II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.24 ( talk) 12:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Churchill tank according to specs is 48.5 ton. not 38.5, which would place it with the Comet at roughly 32 to 34 ton. There is actually a reason why people mistake the weight of the churchill. many years ago, there was a miss-print in a reproduce tank stat....which become a favouriate collection item within a series. And, it listed the churchill at 38.5 tons. It's actual weight was 48.5 tons, (with the orginal prototypes at 42.3 tons). Which is why an 88mm couldn't penetrate the churchill frontally over 800 yards. Well not until 43, then the MKVII came out, and negated it again.
Starting at 48.5 tons, the Churchill tank advanced nearly 10 ton, over the course of the war. My Grandfather commanded one(6) with the 8th Army. (got to hear about the 114 grease nipples alot). But was a much loved tank. From memory, orginally churchills weren't so much unreliable, as required high maintenance to keep them going. Of course by 43, they were great. The reason the churchill was so loved from what i learned from RTR tankers, was there was nothing that could kill it.....apart from fuel, or lack there of... The first churchills were also rushed into production, which was probably why they had problems orginally.
How to kill a churchill....turret gun has an open barrell slot. German and Italian gunners learnt to aim for it, hence field mods mounted an upside down barrell ball mounting from sherman turrets in which they slid the 6pdr gun.
The Churchill tank.....according to Churchill, the Prime Minister. Is named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough.
Churchill did indeed write and thank them for naming it after his great great et cetera.. grandfather.....see churchill diaries 3rd volume.
Later however, including today, everyone just says it's named after churchill himself. Even the bovington tank museum makes the same mistake, no one checks facts anymore.
Sincerely
fenir
Besides the 3-inch gun, are there any historical records of the Gun Carrier variant mounting guns like the QF 3.7-inch AA gun and Ordnance QF 32-pounder, or a 75 mm Vickers HV fitted to a Churchill tank? Wolcott ( talk) 15:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
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Does anyone know what the slot at the front of the track area is for? It's the diagonal one in front of the side hatch. You can see it in most of the photos, notably the first. It is not just an opening, it looks like L or Z-shaped metal fitting that is screwed/bolted on. I assume it serves some purpose? Maury Markowitz ( talk) 15:23, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone tell what mark of Churchill this is, on the left? The right is a Mk IV with a counterweighted 6pdr.
The hull howitzer is there, suggesting it's a late survival of a Mk I. But what's in the turret? Surely that's another 3" howitzer? Is this an odd combination of a Mk IICS turret on a I hull? Andy Dingley ( talk) 22:45, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
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While Googling for more information about this so-called "fan driven by the clutch", suspecting this was someone mistaking a normal clutched fan for one driven by the clutch, I came across the Google transcription of this book, which is word for word exactly what the "Design" section says. It's possible that the book is plagiarizing Wikipedia, but I doubt it. Maybe this is somehow in the public domain, but it should still be avoided and credit given where people's work is copied verbatim. https://books.google.com/books?id=LcidHt4zzDgC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=churchill+tank+clutch+fan&source=bl&ots=0ipef0Vgrh&sig=chrb6aCV3ivIz0hMKLSsN9mtV1s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEkKzD2ejYAhUOC6wKHcyACcIQ6AEITzAI#v=onepage&q=churchill%20tank%20clutch%20fan&f=false AnnaGoFast ( talk) 09:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I feel strange these two lines of the table
Churchill VII 1944 (together with Churchill VIII) 1,400
Churchill VIII 1944(together with Churchill VII) 200
I would expect 1945 in the second.
thanks 176.206.34.69 ( talk) 17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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Given the naming convention of British tanks, Covenanter, Cromwell, Crusader etc and the early stage in the war when Churchills reputation was yet to be confirmed, is it not more likely that the tank was named for the 1st Duke of Marlborough, John Churchill?
The article lists the
Tortoise heavy assault tank as design based on the Churchill. Is it so ? The two vehicles doesn't have much in common and sources about the Churchill (at least those I've read) don't mention the Tortoise...
Bukvoed
09:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I've redone the history section, I'll try and get the design section soon. Oberiko 03:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Jonewer ( talk) 17:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
"Churchill AVRE (Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineers) A Churchill III or IV equipped with the Petard, a 290 mm Spigot mortar, throwing the 40 pound (18 kg) "Flying dustbin" with its 28 pound high explosive warhead." Are you sure it is High Explosive? I thought it was shape charged (or Hollow Charged).
Was it an early HESH type?
The following alleged quotation from Churchill has recently been removed without explanation by an anonymous IP: "This tank even has more flaws than me myself!" It's certainly difficult to believe that Churchill used the phrase "me myself". It sounds like the kind of English up with which he would not put. Is this just one of the many apocrophal Churchill lines, or can some more accurate version of it be sourced? Paul B 13:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
The section titled MK XIII appears to be an error. Description is very similar to Mk VII. Was there actually a Mk XIII? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.75.175 ( talk) 08:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The Merritt-Brown regenerative gearbox was of such a good design that it was used in many tanks after WW II. The Germans also copied it and used it in the Tiger I and Tiger II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.24 ( talk) 12:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Churchill tank according to specs is 48.5 ton. not 38.5, which would place it with the Comet at roughly 32 to 34 ton. There is actually a reason why people mistake the weight of the churchill. many years ago, there was a miss-print in a reproduce tank stat....which become a favouriate collection item within a series. And, it listed the churchill at 38.5 tons. It's actual weight was 48.5 tons, (with the orginal prototypes at 42.3 tons). Which is why an 88mm couldn't penetrate the churchill frontally over 800 yards. Well not until 43, then the MKVII came out, and negated it again.
Starting at 48.5 tons, the Churchill tank advanced nearly 10 ton, over the course of the war. My Grandfather commanded one(6) with the 8th Army. (got to hear about the 114 grease nipples alot). But was a much loved tank. From memory, orginally churchills weren't so much unreliable, as required high maintenance to keep them going. Of course by 43, they were great. The reason the churchill was so loved from what i learned from RTR tankers, was there was nothing that could kill it.....apart from fuel, or lack there of... The first churchills were also rushed into production, which was probably why they had problems orginally.
How to kill a churchill....turret gun has an open barrell slot. German and Italian gunners learnt to aim for it, hence field mods mounted an upside down barrell ball mounting from sherman turrets in which they slid the 6pdr gun.
The Churchill tank.....according to Churchill, the Prime Minister. Is named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough.
Churchill did indeed write and thank them for naming it after his great great et cetera.. grandfather.....see churchill diaries 3rd volume.
Later however, including today, everyone just says it's named after churchill himself. Even the bovington tank museum makes the same mistake, no one checks facts anymore.
Sincerely
fenir
Besides the 3-inch gun, are there any historical records of the Gun Carrier variant mounting guns like the QF 3.7-inch AA gun and Ordnance QF 32-pounder, or a 75 mm Vickers HV fitted to a Churchill tank? Wolcott ( talk) 15:47, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
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Does anyone know what the slot at the front of the track area is for? It's the diagonal one in front of the side hatch. You can see it in most of the photos, notably the first. It is not just an opening, it looks like L or Z-shaped metal fitting that is screwed/bolted on. I assume it serves some purpose? Maury Markowitz ( talk) 15:23, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Can anyone tell what mark of Churchill this is, on the left? The right is a Mk IV with a counterweighted 6pdr.
The hull howitzer is there, suggesting it's a late survival of a Mk I. But what's in the turret? Surely that's another 3" howitzer? Is this an odd combination of a Mk IICS turret on a I hull? Andy Dingley ( talk) 22:45, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
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While Googling for more information about this so-called "fan driven by the clutch", suspecting this was someone mistaking a normal clutched fan for one driven by the clutch, I came across the Google transcription of this book, which is word for word exactly what the "Design" section says. It's possible that the book is plagiarizing Wikipedia, but I doubt it. Maybe this is somehow in the public domain, but it should still be avoided and credit given where people's work is copied verbatim. https://books.google.com/books?id=LcidHt4zzDgC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=churchill+tank+clutch+fan&source=bl&ots=0ipef0Vgrh&sig=chrb6aCV3ivIz0hMKLSsN9mtV1s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEkKzD2ejYAhUOC6wKHcyACcIQ6AEITzAI#v=onepage&q=churchill%20tank%20clutch%20fan&f=false AnnaGoFast ( talk) 09:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I feel strange these two lines of the table
Churchill VII 1944 (together with Churchill VIII) 1,400
Churchill VIII 1944(together with Churchill VII) 200
I would expect 1945 in the second.
thanks 176.206.34.69 ( talk) 17:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)