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The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times is still active. Their church is in Colinia Lebaron. They have a yearly conference in October. There is a sister church in an undisclosed location in Mexico that is also active. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobbynoise ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC) According to the article's sourcing (including
here), Are fundamentalist Mormons in Colonia LeBaron, Chihuahua, adherents of the Latter Day Saint schism called the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times? 19:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article's history section, should it already have one (I don't now recall), could be expanded by drawing on Janet Bennion (2012). "The Church of the Firstborn of the 'Fulness' of Times (The LeBarons)". Polygamy in Primetime: Media, Gender, and Politics in Mormon Fundamentalism. Brandeis University Press. pp. 43–50.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times has membership in the hundreds in Chihuahua,Janet Bennion, Desert patriarchy: Mormon and Mennonite communities in the Chihuahua Valley, Univ. of Arizona Press (2004); Booth, William (July 23, 2009). "Ambushed by a Drug War: Mormon Clans in Mexico Find Themselves Targets of the Cartels". Washington Post.; Althaus, Dudley (July 11, 2009). "In killings, sect suffers a new bloody chapter". Houston Chronicle.) along with reputed additional members in Baja California, California, Central America, and Utah. [1]
Note that according to this source, in 1990, the Church of the Firstborn had members in Colonia LeBaron, in the Western U.S. (esp. San Diego, California) and Central America.
So, apparently, there is a "liberal faction" the CoFirstborn predominating in the village of Colonia LeBaron itself. [Btw, the CoF presumably also has members scattered about in Colonia Dublan and other Chihuahua communities as well as in other places in Mexico, the US, and Nicaragua.]
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There is no current prophet in the Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times. -- Lobbynoise ( talk) 06:44, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
"... ...
"The story of Colonia LeBaron
"Colonia LeBaron is one of several Mexican colonies, some established more than 100 years ago, founded by Mormon polygamists to escape prosecution for plural marriages.
"The community in northern Mexico was founded in 1944 by Alma Dayer LeBaron, the great-grandfather of murder victim Benjamin LeBaron, who moved to Mexico in the 1920s.
"Polygamy is not widespread in today's Colonia LeBaron, residents say. Many are dual citizens of the United States and Mexico.
"Deceased Utah polygamist Ervil LeBaron, a convicted murderer, is the great-uncle of Benjamin LeBaron. But the Colonia LeBaron community in Mexico is not affiliated with Ervil LeBaron's violent sect.
"Ervil LeBaron once lived in Colonia LeBaron, but in the 1970s had a falling out with a brother -- Benjamin's grandfather -- over leadership of a church based there, the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times.
"Ervil LeBaron moved to Utah, where he led the Church of the Lamb of God. He ordered followers, among them a plural wife, to carry out numerous killings -- including the 1977 murder of 71-year-old Rulon C. Allred, leader of the Salt Lake City-based Apostolic United Brethren, another polygamous sect. LeBaron considered Allred a rival. Ervil LeBaron died in Utah State Prison on Aug. 16, 1981."
-- SL Trib link -- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 23:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
That said, a diff you appear to reference above would be here: diff.
Let's try and find common ground here as reasonably intelligent contributors (in my case; extraordinarily in yours, smiles. Surly it's obviously the atty gen reference is in error since the Fulness of Times isn't guilty of murders and, per Bennion , the Fulness of Times remained an ongoing entity beyond the Ervil assassinations.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Also, per the preponderance of the sources (and all reliable sources), Fulness of Times sect members and their communal property within the LeBaron group's colony in Chihuahua (e.g., so many with the surnames LeBaron, Widmar, and the sect's chapel) never discontinued affiliation with the original LeBaron sect.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
While it seems to me that moved closer and closer to what you want (i.e. the sect exists), you and I still can't agree on wording so I have requested a Wikipedia:Third opinion. I have read and re-read everything you have provided and haven't seen anything that backs what you claim. If you provided a page number for Bennion, perhaps it would help. If you remove the attys gen citation, even though it is a WP:RS, you are giving defacto existence to this sect, when there is inconstant evidence it is still around. I am fine with the current version as is. It leave both possibles open.--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk)
Per Bennion, Fulness of Times sect branched from Apostolic United Brethren; however, despite Joel history of affiliation with Allred, et al, Joel himself had claimed independent authority to promote his own branch of Latter Day Saint polygamists. (If my memory serves me correctly, some ancestor of Joel's was said to have received such authority back in Nauvoo or some such.) An asterisk should be included that explains for the sect in this article's own conceptions of primogeniture/chain of authority.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)In 1955, the LeBaron Family, who form the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, a Mormon fundamentalist sect headquartered in northern Mexico, by claimed priesthood authority through Benjamin.Janet Bennion (2004). Desert Patriarchy: Mormon and Mennonite Communities in the Chihuahua Valley (Tucson: University of Arizona Press) ISBN 0-8165-2334-7Brian C. Hales (2006). Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalism: The Generations After the Manifesto (Salt Lake City, Utah: Greg Kofford Books) ISBN 1-58958-035-4
ONUnicorn ( talk · contribs) wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times still exists and is still functioning. With more than a thousand members of all age groups, it's not going anywhere. Source: my own eyes Lobbynoise ( talk) 06:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
See eg Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. Note that whereas many sources mention the LeBaron polygamist group's continuing existence, some of these in fact doubt whether the group's would-be parent sect (viz., the ----- Fulness of Times) is extant.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Not just you, ARTEST but in general: Why do so many WPdians almost brag about disinclinations to pursue in-depth cited texts on subjects they would hope to pontificate? Geez.) Sighs! In the current case, the Bennion monograph is thin with only a third w/rgd the LeBarons and 2/3 about mainstream LDS Chihuahuan colonies or Chihuahuan Mennonites. Be back w/ a pg count."The study begins with a historical overview of the colonies. Bennion's descriptions of the Colonia Juarez and Colonia LeBaron are vivid and astute, deftly placing the movements into the historical context of the Mormon experience in America and tracing its roots back to Loren C. Woolley's split from the mainstream church and establishment of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Drawing from extensive interviews with family members from different factions of the LeBaron family, Bennion constructs a thorough and sympathetic history of the volatile and at times violent LeBaron colony.
(Also, ARTEST kvetches about a dearth of cited sources in this present WP article more recent than 2004. Well, folks, the infamous attys gen citation doesn't even attempt to disguise its sourcing from earlier-posted WP edits: identical, in-passing statements about both the Fulness in Times and the actually dwindling subsect founded by Ervil. The former case was in error, however owing to the fact that the Fulness of Times sect is still extant post the the '80s.)-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)In the mid-1930s, Dayer LeBaron settled an area south of Colonia Juarez[...]known as "Colonia LeBaron." Today, more than 280 Mormon fundamentalist polygamists call it home. In providing a brief history of the Mormon fundamentalist movement, Bennion reports some details that may reflect fundamentalist tradition more than historical accuracy, in part because, "chameleonlike, LeBaron's history changes its colors depending on who is relating it" (54).
I objected to "plural marriage" because it's WP:JARGON. It would be acceptable to say "polygyny, which in Mormonism is commonly called 'plural marriage'", but otherwise it's obfuscational. It's hard enough to keep terminology straight - maybe you are more familiar with Mormonism and know the slang, but to the average reader it's like "what marriage?!?!".
By the way, thanks for fixing that link, you are correct that it is specifically polygyny. I'm not sure why the linked page is "Mormonism and polygamy" given that it's only ever polygyny; you never hear of Himalayan-style polyandry, which honestly confuses me given that polyandry is common in areas where there is an excess of men and a shortage of resources. Ogress smash! 17:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
& also w/rgd kidnappers' identities (from [Google-translation of] this news article):
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The victim was taken to a place of captivity located in the Baqueteros ranch and then demanded the sum of one million dollars in ransom. Then they changed the figure of 3 million pesos and finally accepted the amount of 252 thousand dollars to be delivered at kilometer 20 of the road to Flores Magon.
Once released, Erick LeBaron, the July 7, 2009, around 1:30 pm, entered the town of Galeana an armed group of 10 individuals and "rose" Benjamin LeBaron and his brother Luis Carlos Widmar Sttubs.
hile the gunmen managed to wound Siegfried Widmar Sttubs, brother of Luis Carlos, but this managed to escape aboard his truck.
The gunmen then fled the scene with Benjamin and Luis Carlos and at the junction known as "tabs" of Flores Magon Casas Grandes-road, both were executed.
...
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 19:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I propose that Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times be merged into LeBaron group as it would appear Joel LeBaron's 1stbornoftheFulnessofTimes is the formal designation and rubric remaining regardless of the acknowledged tensions among its various sub-schisms arisen since Joel's death.
There might be room for an article about the historical LeBaron community prior to Joel (a la " Short Creek Community" as the precurson to " Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" etc.). Note that the other much-noted LeB. sect, the Church of the Lamb of God founded by Ervil LeB., currently is but an historical footnote. Thus the proposed merger would align the LeB. treatment with that given other " Mormon Fundamentalist" groups. (I/e most have individuals living somewhat among them who are minimally or largely aligned with them but who are perhaps technically independent, their having been excommunicated or having not accepted the authority of whatever more-generally reigning patriarch/authorities.
--Desert Patriarchy, p126, by Janet Bennion (2004) See LINK."The sociopolitical structure of LeBaron is based on the rules and structures established in the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, which was set up in 1955 by Joel LeBaron. It is also based on the codes of behavior established in the United Apostolic Brethren, or UAB (the Allred group), which has had the largest impact on the construction of LeBaron social life. Although Joel is dead (killed by his brother Ervil), this formal structure is still the blueprint followed by most members of the congregation."
(Yet note that here is a link to a series of quotes from the Bennion book about controversies regarding who might most rightly possess founder/patriarch Joel's mantle within the LeBaron religious community.)
--Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalists, p433, by Brian C. Hales (2006) See LINK"Mormon fundamentalists today may be roughly divided into four groups based upon the line of priesthood authority to which they subscribe. Up to 90% proclaim ties to Loren C. Woolley's 1886 ordinations. A much smaller group have embraced the LeBaron teachings and the authority they profess. In addition, there are "independents" who express less concern regarding formal lines of priesthood authority, placing emphasis on sincerity and personal revelation in forming new polygamous unions. A fourth group exists with very colorful characters, each proclaiming his own legitimacy."
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
in "Free and Sovereign State of Chiapas"--- of the United States of Mexico
from google translate:
Mayas y Mormón
La Península de Yucatán, ¿sitio elegido por Dios?
Miércoles, 5 de marzo de 2014 - Edición impresaFloren Lebarón, uno de los mormones fundamentalista que llegó a Quintana Roo hace 30 años, lo hizo entre otros motivos, por la creencia de él y de otros seguidores de esa religión, incluso de los no fundamentalistas, de que los relatos del Libro del Mormón habrían ocurrido en la Península de Yucatán.
Los lugares sagrados del mormonismo, entre ellos el sitio donde, según su creencia, habría descendido Jesucristo a la tierra por segunda vez, estarían ubicados en esta y otras zonas cercanas.
Jay Ray Church, sobrino de Floren y líder de la comunidad mormona de Chulavista, en Bacalar -formada por descendientes de los fundadores de la Iglesia del Primogénito de la Plenitud de los Tiempos, creada en Chihuahua, en 1955, por Joel Lebarón, mormón de ascendencia norteamericana, defensor de la poligamia-, dice que él y su familia creen en las enseñanzas de antiguos profetas mormones que pronosticaron “el recogimiento del pueblo mormón, para establecer un pueblo justo, en esta zona de la Península”.
La hermana de Jay, Susan Ray Schmidt, una de las trece esposas de Verlan Lebarón, hermano de Joel y de Floren y último jerarca de la iglesia del Primogénito, muerto en 1981, que abandonó la poligamia y volvió a casarse bajo el cristianismo, escribió un libro, “Wife: Escape from Polygamy”, donde afirma que Floren, según le dijo Verlan, “cree que América Central estuvo habitada por la gente del Libro del Mormón, por lo que él está a la búsqueda de vestigios arqueológicos que lo prueben”. Con ese fin, añade, “Floren había ido a explorar primero a Belice y luego a Nicaragua, con sus dos esposas”.
En efecto, Floren, de acuerdo con su hijo Jaime Labarón, estuvo en Nicaragua, pero salió de allí a raíz de la guerra civil y se trasladó a Felipe Carrillo Puerto en 1984, con sus esposas e hijos, y se estableció en varios lugares apartados en la selva, como Xcon Ha y Punta Piedra. Años después, alrededor de 1994, Lebarón se trasladó a San Antonio Nuevo, una pequeña comunidad agrícola de 60 habitantes, donde actualmente vive su hijo Jaime.
-Don Floren fue el primero que llegó a San Antonio -dice uno de los vecinos del lugar, Reyes Chimal Balam. Lo hizo con parte de su familia y con “Chani”, ¿lo conocen?, se la pasaba explorando las ruinas de Cobá y Chichén Itzá…
“Chani”, al parecer, era “Bud” Chynoweth, pariente de los Lebarón, que llegó a la Península de Yucatán con dos de sus esposas más jóvenes -según el libro de Susan Ray-, huyendo de las amenazas de muerte de Ervil Lebarón, otros de los fundadores de la iglesia del Primogénito, que se rebeló, mató a Joel y fundó otra iglesia.
Tanto Floren como Chynoweth creían en la idea, cada vez más común entre los seguidores del Libro del Mormón, de que los relatos de ese libro se escenificaron en algunas zonas de la Península.
Según el Libro del Mormón, Jesucristo visitó el continente americano en el año 34 de Nuestra Era, después de ser crucificado y antes de subir al cielo, para predicar en “su otro rebaño”, compuesto por judíos de Israel, que ya estaban asentados aquí y que serían, posteriormente, los antecesores de los indígenas americanos.
Los miembros de una de las “tribus perdidas de Israel, descendientes de José”, afirma el libro, cruzaron el Océano Pacífico y llegaron a América. Un antiguo profeta israelita descendiente de esa tribu, Lehi, tuvo dos hijos en este continente: Nefi y Lamán. A la muerte de Lehi, sus descendientes se dividieron en dos grupos: nefitas y lamanitas. Durante siglos ambos grupos vivieron en continua disputa, pero Dios eligió a los nefitas como su pueblo, por su carácter bondadoso y justiciero y su creencia en la profecía que anunciaba la llegada de Cristo al continente americano, después de su muerte y resurrección.
Los nefitas conservaron su historia y sus creencias religiosas por escrito, mientras los lamanitas repudiaron la existencia de Cristo.
Anticipándose a la destitución de su pueblo por los lamanitas, Mormón, un profeta nefita, recopiló los escritos sagrados de su gente y los dejó en manos de su hijo Moroni, quien los enterró en un lugar donde Dios los preservaría hasta que otro profeta fuera llamado para traducirlos.
En 1823, en Nueva York, Moroni, como ángel de Dios, se le apareció a una persona común, José Smith, de 17 años, y le reveló dónde encontrar las tablas con el “Evangelio eterno completo, tal y como se los entregó Cristo a los antiguos habitantes de América”.
Smith tradujo las tablas y las convirtió en lo que hoy se conoce como el Libro del Mormón. Ese texto relata la llegada de Cristo al continente americano luego de resucitar en Jerusalén, pero no identifica el lugar. El libro habla de una civilización precolombina precursora de los indígenas americanos y habitada por blancos, negros e indígenas, que conocieron la rueda, el cemento, el hierro, el trigo, la cebada, los elefantes y el caballo y que fundó una gran civilización, con edificios majestuosos y notables avances culturales y científicos, en un ambiente de paz social.
El auge cultural de esta civilización, relata el Libro del Mormón, se inició 200 años antes de Nuestra Era y se intensificó después de la llegada de Jesucristo a América por 200 años más. Luego vino un periodo de esclavitud y decadencia.
Veinte años después de la revelación a José Smith, los ingleses John Lloyd Stephens y Frederick Catherwood publican, en 1841, en Londres, su libro “Incidentes de un Viaje por Centroamérica, Chiapas y Yucatán”, en el que muestran al mundo la existencia de las ciudades sagradas de los mayas.
Según César Castillo Valdés, arqueólogo mormón, egresado de la Escuela Nacional de Antropología, entrevistado en la ciudad de México, cuando los jerarcas de la iglesia mormona conocen ese libro comienzan a relacionar los relatos y dibujos de los ingleses sobre las civilizaciones maya y olmeca, con los pueblos, ciudades e historias del Libro del Mormón.
En la década de los cincuentas del siglo pasado, dice Castillo Valdés, la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días (Ijsud), con sede en Utah y que no acepta la poligamia, financió ampliamente un ambicioso proyecto arqueológico en Chiapas, Centroamérica y parte de la Península de Yucatán, para tratar de corroborar la relación entre las civilizaciones de Mesoamérica y los relatos del Libro del Mormón. A raíz de esas investigaciones, algunos miembros de la Ijsud empezaron a creer que la visita de Jesucristo al continente americano, de la que habla el Libro del Mormón, habría ocurrido en la Península de Yucatán, específicamente en un lugar de la selva de Quintana Roo, a 80 kilómetros de Chetumal, en el asentamiento arqueológico maya conocido ahora como Dzibanché.-Continuará.-HERNÁN JAVIER CASARES CÁMARA
- See more at: http://yucatan.com.mx/temas/exclusivas-central-9/mayas-y-mormon#sthash.ENZQn63N.dpuf
translated: Maya and Mormon
The Yucatan Peninsula, site chosen by God?
Wednesday, March 5, 2014 - Printed editionFloren LeBaron, one of the fundamentalist Mormons who arrived in Quintana Roo 30 years ago, he did among other reasons, by the belief he and other followers of that religion, even non-fundamentalists, that the stories of the Book of Mormon they have occurred in the Yucatan Peninsula.
Mormonism holy sites, including the site where, according to their belief, Jesus Christ would have fallen to earth a second time, would be located in this and other nearby areas.
Jay Ray Church, Floren nephew and leader of the Mormon community Chulavista in Bacalar -made by descendants of the founders of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times, founded in Chihuahua in 1955 by Joel LeBaron, Mormon American descent, advocate polygamy, he says he and his family believe in the teachings of ancient Mormon prophets who predicted "the gathering of the Mormon people, to establish a righteous people in this area of the Peninsula."
Sister Jay, Susan Ray Schmidt, one of the thirteen wives of Verlan LeBaron, brother of Joel and Floren and last hierarch of the Church of the Firstborn, who died in 1981, he abandoned polygamy and remarried under Christianity, wrote a book, "Wife: Escape from Polygamy", which states that Floren, he told Verlan, "believes that Central America was inhabited by people of the book of Mormon, so he is finding archaeological remains Bev ". To that end, he adds, "Floren had gone to first explore Belize and Nicaragua then, with his two wives."
Indeed, Floren, according to his son Jaime Labaron, was in Nicaragua, but left there following the civil war and moved to Felipe Carrillo Puerto in 1984, with their wives and children, and settled in various remote locations in the jungle, as Xcon Ha and Punta Piedra. Years later, around 1994, LeBaron moved to San Antonio Nuevo, a small farming community of 60 inhabitants, where his son Jaime currently lives.
Don Floren was the first to reach San Antonio says one of the locals, Chimal Balam Reyes. He did it with part of his family and "Chani," do you know ?, he spent exploring the ruins of Coba and Chichen Itza ...p>
"Chani," apparently, was "Bud" Chynoweth, a relative of the LeBaron, who came to the Yucatan Peninsula with two of his younger wives, according to the book by Susan Ray, fleeing death threats Ervil LeBaron , another of the founders of the church of the Firstborn, who rebelled, killed Joel and founded another church.
Floren as Chynoweth both believed in the idea, increasingly common among followers of the Book of Mormon, the stories of that book were staged in some areas of the Peninsula.
According to the Book of Mormon, Jesus Christ visited the Americas in 34 AD, after being crucified and before ascending to heaven to preach his "other sheep" composed of Jews in Israel, who were already settled here and that would be the ancestors of native Americans later./p>
Members of one of the "lost of Israel, descendants of Joseph tribes," says the book, crossed the Pacific Ocean and arrived in America. An ancient Israelite prophet descended from that tribe, Lehi, had two children in this continent: Nephi and Laman. A Lehi's death, his descendants were divided into two groups: Nephites and Lamanites. For centuries, both groups lived in constant dispute, but God chose Nephi and his people for their kind and righteous character and belief in the prophecy foretelling the coming of Christ to the American continent, after his death and resurrection./p>
The Nephites kept their history and religious beliefs in writing, while the Lamanites repudiated the existence of Christ.
Anticipating the dismissal of his people by the Lamanites, Mormon, a Nephite prophet, compiled the sacred writings of his people and left them in the hands of his son Moroni, who buried them in a place where God would preserve them until another prophet was called to translate them.
In 1823, in New York, Moroni, an angel of God appeared to an ordinary person, Joseph Smith, 17, and revealed where to find tables with the "Gospel full eternal, as the Christ gave the ancient inhabitants of America. "
Smith translated the tables and became what is now known as the Book of Mormon. This text tells the coming of Christ to the American continent after rising in Jerusalem, but does not identify the place. The book speaks of a precursor pre-Columbian civilization of the Americans and inhabited by whites, blacks and Indians, who knew the wheel, cement, iron, wheat, barley, elephants and horses and founded a great civilization indigenous, with majestic buildings and notable cultural and scientific advances, in an atmosphere of social peace.
The cultural boom of this civilization, tells the Book of Mormon, began 200 years before our era and intensified after the arrival of Jesus Christ to America for 200 years. Then came a period of slavery and decay.
Twenty years after the revelation to Joseph Smith, the English John Lloyd Stephens and Frederick Catherwood published in 1841 in London, his book "Incidents of Travel in Central America, Chiapas and Yucatan" in showing the world the existence of the holy cities of the Maya.
According to Cesar Castillo Valdés, Mormon archaeologist, graduated from the National School of Anthropology, interviewed in Mexico City, when the leaders of the Mormon Church know that book begin to relate the stories and drawings of the English on the Mayan and Olmec civilizations, with towns, cities and stories of the Book of Mormon.
In the early fifties of the last century, says Castillo Valdes, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (IJSUD), based in Utah and do not accept polygamy, largely financed an ambitious archaeological project in Chiapas, Central America and part of the Yucatan Peninsula, to try to corroborate the relationship between the civilizations of Mesoamerica and the Book of Mormon stories. Following these investigations, some members of the IJSUD began to believe that the visit of Jesus Christ to the American continent, spoken of the Book of Mormon, would have occurred in the Yucatan Peninsula, specifically in a place in the jungle of Quintana Roo , 80 kilometers from Chetumal, in the Mayan archaeological site now known as Dzibanché.-Continuará.-HERNÁN JAVIER CASARES CAMERA
- See more at: http://yucatan.com.mx/temas/exclusivas-central-9/mayas-y-mormon#sthash.ENZQn63N.dpuf
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
"Just under eight miles southeast of Short Creek is an area called Cane Beds, Arizona. There lives Ross LeBaron Jr., a descendant of another polygamous sect (separate from the FLDS but quite similar in practice) called the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times. He shares a last name and a not-too-distant relation with the polygamous LeBaron group in Chihuahua, Mexico." LINK-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 15:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Ross Lebaron Jr. lives in southern Utah not far from Cedar City. I've seen his house, but not met him. He was not a follower of his father Ross Lebaron and instead was a member of the Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times. He was actually a Bishop in that church. Source? Personal knowledge. -- Lobbynoise ( talk) 06:37, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
LINK-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The group splintered after members committed a string of assassinations in the 1980's.
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link)p126 "The sociopolitical structure of LeBaron is based on the rules and structures established in the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, which was set up in 1955 by Joel LeBaron. It is also based on the codes of behavior established in the United Apostolic Brethren, or UAB (the Allred group), which has had the largest impact on the construction of LeBaron social life. Although Joel is dead (killed by his brother Ervil), this formal structure is still the blueprint followed by most members of the congregation."
LINK.
p54: "Rivalry and tensions run thick in LeBaron, especially among the descendants of the sons of Verlan, Alma, Ben, Ervil, and Joel."
p59: "After the death of Ervil and Joel and the hospitalization of Ben, Verlan assumed the leadership of the Church of the Firstborn. At present, the offspring of Verlan, Alma, Floren, And Joel LeBaron are still quarelling over who has the rightful aughority to hold the mantle...."
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p138: "The major rift that occurred during the 1990s between a liberal faction [...of the Church of the Firstborn] and a strictly conservative group , who moved down the road and continue to practice a more communal-based religious system based on the notion of a living prophet...."--
Hodgdon's secret garden (
talk) 16:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
From Under the Banner of Heaven:
"Both Ervil and Joel were imbued with exceptional charisma—and both claimed to be the "one mighty and strong." It was therefore inevitable, perhaps, that the LeBaron brothers would eventually clash. . . . On August 20, 1972, in the polygamist settlement of Los Molinos [Mexico], which Joel had established eight years earlier on the Baja Peninsula, he was shot in the throat and head, fatally, by a member of the group loyal to Ervil.
"After he ordered the death of Joel, Ervil initiated a divinely inspired series of murders, resulting in the killing of at least five additional people through 1975 and the wounding of more than fifteen others. In March 1976 he was arrested for these crimes and held in a Mexican jail, . . .
"Less than a year after he was incarcerated, Ervil was let out of jail. . . . Within a few months of his release, he had a disobedient daughter killed, and shortly after that arranged the murder of Rulon Allred (leader of a rival polygamist group), whose followers Ervil coveted and hoped to convert to his own group, the Church of the Lamb of God."
--Under the Banner of Heaven, by Jon Krakauer, p. 266-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 19:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Note: Although it's true that Joel LeBaron, founder of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, "was the leader of nearly all of the fundamentalist LeBarons" (see LINK, LINK, from "'To Set in Order the House of God': The Search for the Elusive 'One Mighty and Strong'," B Shepard, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, 2006), it also is true that there remained a scattering of the polygamist group founded by Joel's father, Alma Dayer LeBaron, Sr.'s, following some rival or another of Joel's (see "Utah Polygamy: 19th Century vs. Modern," R Jackson - History, 2012:
"Some of Alma’s sons later claim he passed the authority on to them. This lead to three churches being made by the different sons; The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times, The Church of the Firstborn[, Hodgdon: founded in 1955 by Ross Wesley LeBaron LINK, see p40 ], and The Church of the Lamb of God. Each of the brothers that started these churches claim they received the birthright from their father."
In any case, our WP article at present doesn't go into such nuances. Whereas technically there is a "Church of the Firstborn" founded by a brother of Jeol's, this is also the shortened form of Joel's Church of the Fistborn of the Fulness of Times. As for sourcing what WP should call the LeBaron community, cf. the sources following.
(shortened form)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
As per this link at LDSMovement.PBWorks.com, ought WP consider the Tom Green or Robert Black's polygamist family groups independent or organizationally distinct from their Ross Wesleyan parent church of the Firstborn?-- 24.115.71.222 ( talk) 21:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Misc. quotes:
From Fred Collier's (archived at Archive.com) Church of the Firstborn website: "... ... As established by the Prophet, the Church of the FirstBorn was an inner Church of the Elect — it was the Celestial Family Kingdom of Joseph Smith and the beginnings of the Restoration of the tribe of Ephraim. It was an organization composed of the Prophet’s Adopted Sons who had received the Higher Laws and Ordinances of the Gospel, as taught and administered in the private meetings of the Holy Order and Council of Fifty — and hence the Fifty Princes171 of the Kingdom.172 ... ..." -- LINK -- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:36, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Also see discussion here: Talk:List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movement#CoFirstborn.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 20:00, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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This seems to violate the principal of Neutral POV? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.24.217 ( talk) 14:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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--seems apropos. Note that throughout Liveright Publishing's this year's (2002) The Colony: Faith and Blood in a Promised Land, Sally Denton uses the Church of the Firstborn as her catchall (for example, page 116: "[...I]nto 2021, the offspring of Joel, Ervil, Verlan, and Alma Dayer Jr --their sons and grandsons -- were still battling over who had the rightful authority to hold the leadership of the Church of the Firstborn...."). -- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 13:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times is still active. Their church is in Colinia Lebaron. They have a yearly conference in October. There is a sister church in an undisclosed location in Mexico that is also active. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobbynoise ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC) According to the article's sourcing (including
here), Are fundamentalist Mormons in Colonia LeBaron, Chihuahua, adherents of the Latter Day Saint schism called the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times? 19:47, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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Article's history section, should it already have one (I don't now recall), could be expanded by drawing on Janet Bennion (2012). "The Church of the Firstborn of the 'Fulness' of Times (The LeBarons)". Polygamy in Primetime: Media, Gender, and Politics in Mormon Fundamentalism. Brandeis University Press. pp. 43–50.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times has membership in the hundreds in Chihuahua,Janet Bennion, Desert patriarchy: Mormon and Mennonite communities in the Chihuahua Valley, Univ. of Arizona Press (2004); Booth, William (July 23, 2009). "Ambushed by a Drug War: Mormon Clans in Mexico Find Themselves Targets of the Cartels". Washington Post.; Althaus, Dudley (July 11, 2009). "In killings, sect suffers a new bloody chapter". Houston Chronicle.) along with reputed additional members in Baja California, California, Central America, and Utah. [1]
Note that according to this source, in 1990, the Church of the Firstborn had members in Colonia LeBaron, in the Western U.S. (esp. San Diego, California) and Central America.
So, apparently, there is a "liberal faction" the CoFirstborn predominating in the village of Colonia LeBaron itself. [Btw, the CoF presumably also has members scattered about in Colonia Dublan and other Chihuahua communities as well as in other places in Mexico, the US, and Nicaragua.]
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There is no current prophet in the Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times. -- Lobbynoise ( talk) 06:44, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
"... ...
"The story of Colonia LeBaron
"Colonia LeBaron is one of several Mexican colonies, some established more than 100 years ago, founded by Mormon polygamists to escape prosecution for plural marriages.
"The community in northern Mexico was founded in 1944 by Alma Dayer LeBaron, the great-grandfather of murder victim Benjamin LeBaron, who moved to Mexico in the 1920s.
"Polygamy is not widespread in today's Colonia LeBaron, residents say. Many are dual citizens of the United States and Mexico.
"Deceased Utah polygamist Ervil LeBaron, a convicted murderer, is the great-uncle of Benjamin LeBaron. But the Colonia LeBaron community in Mexico is not affiliated with Ervil LeBaron's violent sect.
"Ervil LeBaron once lived in Colonia LeBaron, but in the 1970s had a falling out with a brother -- Benjamin's grandfather -- over leadership of a church based there, the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times.
"Ervil LeBaron moved to Utah, where he led the Church of the Lamb of God. He ordered followers, among them a plural wife, to carry out numerous killings -- including the 1977 murder of 71-year-old Rulon C. Allred, leader of the Salt Lake City-based Apostolic United Brethren, another polygamous sect. LeBaron considered Allred a rival. Ervil LeBaron died in Utah State Prison on Aug. 16, 1981."
-- SL Trib link -- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 23:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
That said, a diff you appear to reference above would be here: diff.
Let's try and find common ground here as reasonably intelligent contributors (in my case; extraordinarily in yours, smiles. Surly it's obviously the atty gen reference is in error since the Fulness of Times isn't guilty of murders and, per Bennion , the Fulness of Times remained an ongoing entity beyond the Ervil assassinations.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Also, per the preponderance of the sources (and all reliable sources), Fulness of Times sect members and their communal property within the LeBaron group's colony in Chihuahua (e.g., so many with the surnames LeBaron, Widmar, and the sect's chapel) never discontinued affiliation with the original LeBaron sect.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
While it seems to me that moved closer and closer to what you want (i.e. the sect exists), you and I still can't agree on wording so I have requested a Wikipedia:Third opinion. I have read and re-read everything you have provided and haven't seen anything that backs what you claim. If you provided a page number for Bennion, perhaps it would help. If you remove the attys gen citation, even though it is a WP:RS, you are giving defacto existence to this sect, when there is inconstant evidence it is still around. I am fine with the current version as is. It leave both possibles open.--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk)
Per Bennion, Fulness of Times sect branched from Apostolic United Brethren; however, despite Joel history of affiliation with Allred, et al, Joel himself had claimed independent authority to promote his own branch of Latter Day Saint polygamists. (If my memory serves me correctly, some ancestor of Joel's was said to have received such authority back in Nauvoo or some such.) An asterisk should be included that explains for the sect in this article's own conceptions of primogeniture/chain of authority.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)In 1955, the LeBaron Family, who form the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, a Mormon fundamentalist sect headquartered in northern Mexico, by claimed priesthood authority through Benjamin.Janet Bennion (2004). Desert Patriarchy: Mormon and Mennonite Communities in the Chihuahua Valley (Tucson: University of Arizona Press) ISBN 0-8165-2334-7Brian C. Hales (2006). Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalism: The Generations After the Manifesto (Salt Lake City, Utah: Greg Kofford Books) ISBN 1-58958-035-4
ONUnicorn ( talk · contribs) wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times still exists and is still functioning. With more than a thousand members of all age groups, it's not going anywhere. Source: my own eyes Lobbynoise ( talk) 06:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
See eg Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. Note that whereas many sources mention the LeBaron polygamist group's continuing existence, some of these in fact doubt whether the group's would-be parent sect (viz., the ----- Fulness of Times) is extant.-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Not just you, ARTEST but in general: Why do so many WPdians almost brag about disinclinations to pursue in-depth cited texts on subjects they would hope to pontificate? Geez.) Sighs! In the current case, the Bennion monograph is thin with only a third w/rgd the LeBarons and 2/3 about mainstream LDS Chihuahuan colonies or Chihuahuan Mennonites. Be back w/ a pg count."The study begins with a historical overview of the colonies. Bennion's descriptions of the Colonia Juarez and Colonia LeBaron are vivid and astute, deftly placing the movements into the historical context of the Mormon experience in America and tracing its roots back to Loren C. Woolley's split from the mainstream church and establishment of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Drawing from extensive interviews with family members from different factions of the LeBaron family, Bennion constructs a thorough and sympathetic history of the volatile and at times violent LeBaron colony.
(Also, ARTEST kvetches about a dearth of cited sources in this present WP article more recent than 2004. Well, folks, the infamous attys gen citation doesn't even attempt to disguise its sourcing from earlier-posted WP edits: identical, in-passing statements about both the Fulness in Times and the actually dwindling subsect founded by Ervil. The former case was in error, however owing to the fact that the Fulness of Times sect is still extant post the the '80s.)-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)In the mid-1930s, Dayer LeBaron settled an area south of Colonia Juarez[...]known as "Colonia LeBaron." Today, more than 280 Mormon fundamentalist polygamists call it home. In providing a brief history of the Mormon fundamentalist movement, Bennion reports some details that may reflect fundamentalist tradition more than historical accuracy, in part because, "chameleonlike, LeBaron's history changes its colors depending on who is relating it" (54).
I objected to "plural marriage" because it's WP:JARGON. It would be acceptable to say "polygyny, which in Mormonism is commonly called 'plural marriage'", but otherwise it's obfuscational. It's hard enough to keep terminology straight - maybe you are more familiar with Mormonism and know the slang, but to the average reader it's like "what marriage?!?!".
By the way, thanks for fixing that link, you are correct that it is specifically polygyny. I'm not sure why the linked page is "Mormonism and polygamy" given that it's only ever polygyny; you never hear of Himalayan-style polyandry, which honestly confuses me given that polyandry is common in areas where there is an excess of men and a shortage of resources. Ogress smash! 17:30, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 21:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
& also w/rgd kidnappers' identities (from [Google-translation of] this news article):
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The victim was taken to a place of captivity located in the Baqueteros ranch and then demanded the sum of one million dollars in ransom. Then they changed the figure of 3 million pesos and finally accepted the amount of 252 thousand dollars to be delivered at kilometer 20 of the road to Flores Magon.
Once released, Erick LeBaron, the July 7, 2009, around 1:30 pm, entered the town of Galeana an armed group of 10 individuals and "rose" Benjamin LeBaron and his brother Luis Carlos Widmar Sttubs.
hile the gunmen managed to wound Siegfried Widmar Sttubs, brother of Luis Carlos, but this managed to escape aboard his truck.
The gunmen then fled the scene with Benjamin and Luis Carlos and at the junction known as "tabs" of Flores Magon Casas Grandes-road, both were executed.
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-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 19:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I propose that Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times be merged into LeBaron group as it would appear Joel LeBaron's 1stbornoftheFulnessofTimes is the formal designation and rubric remaining regardless of the acknowledged tensions among its various sub-schisms arisen since Joel's death.
There might be room for an article about the historical LeBaron community prior to Joel (a la " Short Creek Community" as the precurson to " Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" etc.). Note that the other much-noted LeB. sect, the Church of the Lamb of God founded by Ervil LeB., currently is but an historical footnote. Thus the proposed merger would align the LeB. treatment with that given other " Mormon Fundamentalist" groups. (I/e most have individuals living somewhat among them who are minimally or largely aligned with them but who are perhaps technically independent, their having been excommunicated or having not accepted the authority of whatever more-generally reigning patriarch/authorities.
--Desert Patriarchy, p126, by Janet Bennion (2004) See LINK."The sociopolitical structure of LeBaron is based on the rules and structures established in the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, which was set up in 1955 by Joel LeBaron. It is also based on the codes of behavior established in the United Apostolic Brethren, or UAB (the Allred group), which has had the largest impact on the construction of LeBaron social life. Although Joel is dead (killed by his brother Ervil), this formal structure is still the blueprint followed by most members of the congregation."
(Yet note that here is a link to a series of quotes from the Bennion book about controversies regarding who might most rightly possess founder/patriarch Joel's mantle within the LeBaron religious community.)
--Modern Polygamy and Mormon Fundamentalists, p433, by Brian C. Hales (2006) See LINK"Mormon fundamentalists today may be roughly divided into four groups based upon the line of priesthood authority to which they subscribe. Up to 90% proclaim ties to Loren C. Woolley's 1886 ordinations. A much smaller group have embraced the LeBaron teachings and the authority they profess. In addition, there are "independents" who express less concern regarding formal lines of priesthood authority, placing emphasis on sincerity and personal revelation in forming new polygamous unions. A fourth group exists with very colorful characters, each proclaiming his own legitimacy."
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
in "Free and Sovereign State of Chiapas"--- of the United States of Mexico
from google translate:
Mayas y Mormón
La Península de Yucatán, ¿sitio elegido por Dios?
Miércoles, 5 de marzo de 2014 - Edición impresaFloren Lebarón, uno de los mormones fundamentalista que llegó a Quintana Roo hace 30 años, lo hizo entre otros motivos, por la creencia de él y de otros seguidores de esa religión, incluso de los no fundamentalistas, de que los relatos del Libro del Mormón habrían ocurrido en la Península de Yucatán.
Los lugares sagrados del mormonismo, entre ellos el sitio donde, según su creencia, habría descendido Jesucristo a la tierra por segunda vez, estarían ubicados en esta y otras zonas cercanas.
Jay Ray Church, sobrino de Floren y líder de la comunidad mormona de Chulavista, en Bacalar -formada por descendientes de los fundadores de la Iglesia del Primogénito de la Plenitud de los Tiempos, creada en Chihuahua, en 1955, por Joel Lebarón, mormón de ascendencia norteamericana, defensor de la poligamia-, dice que él y su familia creen en las enseñanzas de antiguos profetas mormones que pronosticaron “el recogimiento del pueblo mormón, para establecer un pueblo justo, en esta zona de la Península”.
La hermana de Jay, Susan Ray Schmidt, una de las trece esposas de Verlan Lebarón, hermano de Joel y de Floren y último jerarca de la iglesia del Primogénito, muerto en 1981, que abandonó la poligamia y volvió a casarse bajo el cristianismo, escribió un libro, “Wife: Escape from Polygamy”, donde afirma que Floren, según le dijo Verlan, “cree que América Central estuvo habitada por la gente del Libro del Mormón, por lo que él está a la búsqueda de vestigios arqueológicos que lo prueben”. Con ese fin, añade, “Floren había ido a explorar primero a Belice y luego a Nicaragua, con sus dos esposas”.
En efecto, Floren, de acuerdo con su hijo Jaime Labarón, estuvo en Nicaragua, pero salió de allí a raíz de la guerra civil y se trasladó a Felipe Carrillo Puerto en 1984, con sus esposas e hijos, y se estableció en varios lugares apartados en la selva, como Xcon Ha y Punta Piedra. Años después, alrededor de 1994, Lebarón se trasladó a San Antonio Nuevo, una pequeña comunidad agrícola de 60 habitantes, donde actualmente vive su hijo Jaime.
-Don Floren fue el primero que llegó a San Antonio -dice uno de los vecinos del lugar, Reyes Chimal Balam. Lo hizo con parte de su familia y con “Chani”, ¿lo conocen?, se la pasaba explorando las ruinas de Cobá y Chichén Itzá…
“Chani”, al parecer, era “Bud” Chynoweth, pariente de los Lebarón, que llegó a la Península de Yucatán con dos de sus esposas más jóvenes -según el libro de Susan Ray-, huyendo de las amenazas de muerte de Ervil Lebarón, otros de los fundadores de la iglesia del Primogénito, que se rebeló, mató a Joel y fundó otra iglesia.
Tanto Floren como Chynoweth creían en la idea, cada vez más común entre los seguidores del Libro del Mormón, de que los relatos de ese libro se escenificaron en algunas zonas de la Península.
Según el Libro del Mormón, Jesucristo visitó el continente americano en el año 34 de Nuestra Era, después de ser crucificado y antes de subir al cielo, para predicar en “su otro rebaño”, compuesto por judíos de Israel, que ya estaban asentados aquí y que serían, posteriormente, los antecesores de los indígenas americanos.
Los miembros de una de las “tribus perdidas de Israel, descendientes de José”, afirma el libro, cruzaron el Océano Pacífico y llegaron a América. Un antiguo profeta israelita descendiente de esa tribu, Lehi, tuvo dos hijos en este continente: Nefi y Lamán. A la muerte de Lehi, sus descendientes se dividieron en dos grupos: nefitas y lamanitas. Durante siglos ambos grupos vivieron en continua disputa, pero Dios eligió a los nefitas como su pueblo, por su carácter bondadoso y justiciero y su creencia en la profecía que anunciaba la llegada de Cristo al continente americano, después de su muerte y resurrección.
Los nefitas conservaron su historia y sus creencias religiosas por escrito, mientras los lamanitas repudiaron la existencia de Cristo.
Anticipándose a la destitución de su pueblo por los lamanitas, Mormón, un profeta nefita, recopiló los escritos sagrados de su gente y los dejó en manos de su hijo Moroni, quien los enterró en un lugar donde Dios los preservaría hasta que otro profeta fuera llamado para traducirlos.
En 1823, en Nueva York, Moroni, como ángel de Dios, se le apareció a una persona común, José Smith, de 17 años, y le reveló dónde encontrar las tablas con el “Evangelio eterno completo, tal y como se los entregó Cristo a los antiguos habitantes de América”.
Smith tradujo las tablas y las convirtió en lo que hoy se conoce como el Libro del Mormón. Ese texto relata la llegada de Cristo al continente americano luego de resucitar en Jerusalén, pero no identifica el lugar. El libro habla de una civilización precolombina precursora de los indígenas americanos y habitada por blancos, negros e indígenas, que conocieron la rueda, el cemento, el hierro, el trigo, la cebada, los elefantes y el caballo y que fundó una gran civilización, con edificios majestuosos y notables avances culturales y científicos, en un ambiente de paz social.
El auge cultural de esta civilización, relata el Libro del Mormón, se inició 200 años antes de Nuestra Era y se intensificó después de la llegada de Jesucristo a América por 200 años más. Luego vino un periodo de esclavitud y decadencia.
Veinte años después de la revelación a José Smith, los ingleses John Lloyd Stephens y Frederick Catherwood publican, en 1841, en Londres, su libro “Incidentes de un Viaje por Centroamérica, Chiapas y Yucatán”, en el que muestran al mundo la existencia de las ciudades sagradas de los mayas.
Según César Castillo Valdés, arqueólogo mormón, egresado de la Escuela Nacional de Antropología, entrevistado en la ciudad de México, cuando los jerarcas de la iglesia mormona conocen ese libro comienzan a relacionar los relatos y dibujos de los ingleses sobre las civilizaciones maya y olmeca, con los pueblos, ciudades e historias del Libro del Mormón.
En la década de los cincuentas del siglo pasado, dice Castillo Valdés, la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días (Ijsud), con sede en Utah y que no acepta la poligamia, financió ampliamente un ambicioso proyecto arqueológico en Chiapas, Centroamérica y parte de la Península de Yucatán, para tratar de corroborar la relación entre las civilizaciones de Mesoamérica y los relatos del Libro del Mormón. A raíz de esas investigaciones, algunos miembros de la Ijsud empezaron a creer que la visita de Jesucristo al continente americano, de la que habla el Libro del Mormón, habría ocurrido en la Península de Yucatán, específicamente en un lugar de la selva de Quintana Roo, a 80 kilómetros de Chetumal, en el asentamiento arqueológico maya conocido ahora como Dzibanché.-Continuará.-HERNÁN JAVIER CASARES CÁMARA
- See more at: http://yucatan.com.mx/temas/exclusivas-central-9/mayas-y-mormon#sthash.ENZQn63N.dpuf
translated: Maya and Mormon
The Yucatan Peninsula, site chosen by God?
Wednesday, March 5, 2014 - Printed editionFloren LeBaron, one of the fundamentalist Mormons who arrived in Quintana Roo 30 years ago, he did among other reasons, by the belief he and other followers of that religion, even non-fundamentalists, that the stories of the Book of Mormon they have occurred in the Yucatan Peninsula.
Mormonism holy sites, including the site where, according to their belief, Jesus Christ would have fallen to earth a second time, would be located in this and other nearby areas.
Jay Ray Church, Floren nephew and leader of the Mormon community Chulavista in Bacalar -made by descendants of the founders of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of Times, founded in Chihuahua in 1955 by Joel LeBaron, Mormon American descent, advocate polygamy, he says he and his family believe in the teachings of ancient Mormon prophets who predicted "the gathering of the Mormon people, to establish a righteous people in this area of the Peninsula."
Sister Jay, Susan Ray Schmidt, one of the thirteen wives of Verlan LeBaron, brother of Joel and Floren and last hierarch of the Church of the Firstborn, who died in 1981, he abandoned polygamy and remarried under Christianity, wrote a book, "Wife: Escape from Polygamy", which states that Floren, he told Verlan, "believes that Central America was inhabited by people of the book of Mormon, so he is finding archaeological remains Bev ". To that end, he adds, "Floren had gone to first explore Belize and Nicaragua then, with his two wives."
Indeed, Floren, according to his son Jaime Labaron, was in Nicaragua, but left there following the civil war and moved to Felipe Carrillo Puerto in 1984, with their wives and children, and settled in various remote locations in the jungle, as Xcon Ha and Punta Piedra. Years later, around 1994, LeBaron moved to San Antonio Nuevo, a small farming community of 60 inhabitants, where his son Jaime currently lives.
Don Floren was the first to reach San Antonio says one of the locals, Chimal Balam Reyes. He did it with part of his family and "Chani," do you know ?, he spent exploring the ruins of Coba and Chichen Itza ...p>
"Chani," apparently, was "Bud" Chynoweth, a relative of the LeBaron, who came to the Yucatan Peninsula with two of his younger wives, according to the book by Susan Ray, fleeing death threats Ervil LeBaron , another of the founders of the church of the Firstborn, who rebelled, killed Joel and founded another church.
Floren as Chynoweth both believed in the idea, increasingly common among followers of the Book of Mormon, the stories of that book were staged in some areas of the Peninsula.
According to the Book of Mormon, Jesus Christ visited the Americas in 34 AD, after being crucified and before ascending to heaven to preach his "other sheep" composed of Jews in Israel, who were already settled here and that would be the ancestors of native Americans later./p>
Members of one of the "lost of Israel, descendants of Joseph tribes," says the book, crossed the Pacific Ocean and arrived in America. An ancient Israelite prophet descended from that tribe, Lehi, had two children in this continent: Nephi and Laman. A Lehi's death, his descendants were divided into two groups: Nephites and Lamanites. For centuries, both groups lived in constant dispute, but God chose Nephi and his people for their kind and righteous character and belief in the prophecy foretelling the coming of Christ to the American continent, after his death and resurrection./p>
The Nephites kept their history and religious beliefs in writing, while the Lamanites repudiated the existence of Christ.
Anticipating the dismissal of his people by the Lamanites, Mormon, a Nephite prophet, compiled the sacred writings of his people and left them in the hands of his son Moroni, who buried them in a place where God would preserve them until another prophet was called to translate them.
In 1823, in New York, Moroni, an angel of God appeared to an ordinary person, Joseph Smith, 17, and revealed where to find tables with the "Gospel full eternal, as the Christ gave the ancient inhabitants of America. "
Smith translated the tables and became what is now known as the Book of Mormon. This text tells the coming of Christ to the American continent after rising in Jerusalem, but does not identify the place. The book speaks of a precursor pre-Columbian civilization of the Americans and inhabited by whites, blacks and Indians, who knew the wheel, cement, iron, wheat, barley, elephants and horses and founded a great civilization indigenous, with majestic buildings and notable cultural and scientific advances, in an atmosphere of social peace.
The cultural boom of this civilization, tells the Book of Mormon, began 200 years before our era and intensified after the arrival of Jesus Christ to America for 200 years. Then came a period of slavery and decay.
Twenty years after the revelation to Joseph Smith, the English John Lloyd Stephens and Frederick Catherwood published in 1841 in London, his book "Incidents of Travel in Central America, Chiapas and Yucatan" in showing the world the existence of the holy cities of the Maya.
According to Cesar Castillo Valdés, Mormon archaeologist, graduated from the National School of Anthropology, interviewed in Mexico City, when the leaders of the Mormon Church know that book begin to relate the stories and drawings of the English on the Mayan and Olmec civilizations, with towns, cities and stories of the Book of Mormon.
In the early fifties of the last century, says Castillo Valdes, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (IJSUD), based in Utah and do not accept polygamy, largely financed an ambitious archaeological project in Chiapas, Central America and part of the Yucatan Peninsula, to try to corroborate the relationship between the civilizations of Mesoamerica and the Book of Mormon stories. Following these investigations, some members of the IJSUD began to believe that the visit of Jesus Christ to the American continent, spoken of the Book of Mormon, would have occurred in the Yucatan Peninsula, specifically in a place in the jungle of Quintana Roo , 80 kilometers from Chetumal, in the Mayan archaeological site now known as Dzibanché.-Continuará.-HERNÁN JAVIER CASARES CAMERA
- See more at: http://yucatan.com.mx/temas/exclusivas-central-9/mayas-y-mormon#sthash.ENZQn63N.dpuf
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
"Just under eight miles southeast of Short Creek is an area called Cane Beds, Arizona. There lives Ross LeBaron Jr., a descendant of another polygamous sect (separate from the FLDS but quite similar in practice) called the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times. He shares a last name and a not-too-distant relation with the polygamous LeBaron group in Chihuahua, Mexico." LINK-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 15:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Ross Lebaron Jr. lives in southern Utah not far from Cedar City. I've seen his house, but not met him. He was not a follower of his father Ross Lebaron and instead was a member of the Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times. He was actually a Bishop in that church. Source? Personal knowledge. -- Lobbynoise ( talk) 06:37, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
LINK-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The group splintered after members committed a string of assassinations in the 1980's.
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link)p126 "The sociopolitical structure of LeBaron is based on the rules and structures established in the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, which was set up in 1955 by Joel LeBaron. It is also based on the codes of behavior established in the United Apostolic Brethren, or UAB (the Allred group), which has had the largest impact on the construction of LeBaron social life. Although Joel is dead (killed by his brother Ervil), this formal structure is still the blueprint followed by most members of the congregation."
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p54: "Rivalry and tensions run thick in LeBaron, especially among the descendants of the sons of Verlan, Alma, Ben, Ervil, and Joel."
p59: "After the death of Ervil and Joel and the hospitalization of Ben, Verlan assumed the leadership of the Church of the Firstborn. At present, the offspring of Verlan, Alma, Floren, And Joel LeBaron are still quarelling over who has the rightful aughority to hold the mantle...."
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p138: "The major rift that occurred during the 1990s between a liberal faction [...of the Church of the Firstborn] and a strictly conservative group , who moved down the road and continue to practice a more communal-based religious system based on the notion of a living prophet...."--
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talk) 16:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
From Under the Banner of Heaven:
"Both Ervil and Joel were imbued with exceptional charisma—and both claimed to be the "one mighty and strong." It was therefore inevitable, perhaps, that the LeBaron brothers would eventually clash. . . . On August 20, 1972, in the polygamist settlement of Los Molinos [Mexico], which Joel had established eight years earlier on the Baja Peninsula, he was shot in the throat and head, fatally, by a member of the group loyal to Ervil.
"After he ordered the death of Joel, Ervil initiated a divinely inspired series of murders, resulting in the killing of at least five additional people through 1975 and the wounding of more than fifteen others. In March 1976 he was arrested for these crimes and held in a Mexican jail, . . .
"Less than a year after he was incarcerated, Ervil was let out of jail. . . . Within a few months of his release, he had a disobedient daughter killed, and shortly after that arranged the murder of Rulon Allred (leader of a rival polygamist group), whose followers Ervil coveted and hoped to convert to his own group, the Church of the Lamb of God."
--Under the Banner of Heaven, by Jon Krakauer, p. 266-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 19:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Note: Although it's true that Joel LeBaron, founder of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, "was the leader of nearly all of the fundamentalist LeBarons" (see LINK, LINK, from "'To Set in Order the House of God': The Search for the Elusive 'One Mighty and Strong'," B Shepard, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, 2006), it also is true that there remained a scattering of the polygamist group founded by Joel's father, Alma Dayer LeBaron, Sr.'s, following some rival or another of Joel's (see "Utah Polygamy: 19th Century vs. Modern," R Jackson - History, 2012:
"Some of Alma’s sons later claim he passed the authority on to them. This lead to three churches being made by the different sons; The Church of the Firstborn in the Fullness of Times, The Church of the Firstborn[, Hodgdon: founded in 1955 by Ross Wesley LeBaron LINK, see p40 ], and The Church of the Lamb of God. Each of the brothers that started these churches claim they received the birthright from their father."
In any case, our WP article at present doesn't go into such nuances. Whereas technically there is a "Church of the Firstborn" founded by a brother of Jeol's, this is also the shortened form of Joel's Church of the Fistborn of the Fulness of Times. As for sourcing what WP should call the LeBaron community, cf. the sources following.
(shortened form)
-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 17:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
As per this link at LDSMovement.PBWorks.com, ought WP consider the Tom Green or Robert Black's polygamist family groups independent or organizationally distinct from their Ross Wesleyan parent church of the Firstborn?-- 24.115.71.222 ( talk) 21:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Misc. quotes:
From Fred Collier's (archived at Archive.com) Church of the Firstborn website: "... ... As established by the Prophet, the Church of the FirstBorn was an inner Church of the Elect — it was the Celestial Family Kingdom of Joseph Smith and the beginnings of the Restoration of the tribe of Ephraim. It was an organization composed of the Prophet’s Adopted Sons who had received the Higher Laws and Ordinances of the Gospel, as taught and administered in the private meetings of the Holy Order and Council of Fifty — and hence the Fifty Princes171 of the Kingdom.172 ... ..." -- LINK -- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:36, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Also see discussion here: Talk:List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movement#CoFirstborn.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 20:00, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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This seems to violate the principal of Neutral POV? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.24.217 ( talk) 14:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Do all these folks really meet the residency requirements to pass on citizenship across multiple generations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjxj ( talk • contribs) 12:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC) . If both parents are US and one resided in US before the child's birth the child is US.
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--seems apropos. Note that throughout Liveright Publishing's this year's (2002) The Colony: Faith and Blood in a Promised Land, Sally Denton uses the Church of the Firstborn as her catchall (for example, page 116: "[...I]nto 2021, the offspring of Joel, Ervil, Verlan, and Alma Dayer Jr --their sons and grandsons -- were still battling over who had the rightful authority to hold the leadership of the Church of the Firstborn...."). -- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 13:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)