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This article is up for AfD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conversion to Christianity). The consensus, so far, is to redirect to Religious conversion as Conversion to Christianity horribly fails several Wikipedia policies and, essentially, lacks any clear & useful information. Perhaps, through this note, I can convince some of the regulars editors of this article to participate in the AfD discussion and devote some of their energies to the article itself...? Thanks, Scientizzle 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
...Have no place in this article. While perhaps common in the past, they are offensive to those to whom they are applied, are not really accurate, and so should not be used. I made change in this regard, and have been reverted a couple of times; hence, I'm bringing it here for discussion/consensus. -- Midnite Critic 16:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
That is correct Pj. Further, Str1977, "Copt" simply means "Egyptian" and as such, is merely an ethnic label which carries no more of a negative connotation than does "Armenian". I agree with you re: Severus, BTW, but none of these churches can be identified with any one person, whether Jacob, Severus, or even Cyril. And you are right in that the West Syrian heritage is shared by the Oriental Orthodox (OO) Syriac Orthodox, the EO "Greek Orthodox" (Antiochian) SyriAN Orthodox, the Byzantine Rite "Melkite" Syrian Catholics, the Syrian (Rite) Catholics, and, of course, the Maronites. The problem with "Jacobite" is that, to OO ears, it carries a very negative connotation. In English, the Syriac Church adopted the name "Syriac" to distinguish itself from the "Greek Orthodox" Syrian Church, so when I hear "Syriac" I immediately think OO, but that may not be generally the case. In any event, I am open to suggestions to deal with your concerns, but let's avoid the use of "Nestorian" and "Jacobite," okay? -- Midnite Critic 17:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
FYI - I have posted notices at the Christianity portal and the Eastern Christianity portal, to bring in some more folks to help us reach c consensus on this. Pastordavid 17:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
In rereading the section in question, I am not sure it is even necessary to list the various OO Churches. Therefore, I propose the following text:
Eastern Christianity: Eastern Orthodox Churches, Oriental Orthodox Churches, the 100,000 member Assyrian Church of the East, and others with a combined membership of more than 300 million baptized persons.
-- Midnite Critic 17:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, as it completely removes the term "Nestorian" from the section, which parenthetically referred to the Assyrian Church of the East as "Nestorian". -- Midnite Critic 19:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a reason we are quoting Justin Martyr's description of Eucharist and not Paul's earlier description of the tradtion, commonly called the words of institution, from the book of Corinthians?-- Just nigel 01:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 35 | Archive 36 | Archive 37 | Archive 38 | Archive 39 | Archive 40 | → | Archive 45 |
This article is up for AfD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conversion to Christianity). The consensus, so far, is to redirect to Religious conversion as Conversion to Christianity horribly fails several Wikipedia policies and, essentially, lacks any clear & useful information. Perhaps, through this note, I can convince some of the regulars editors of this article to participate in the AfD discussion and devote some of their energies to the article itself...? Thanks, Scientizzle 21:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
...Have no place in this article. While perhaps common in the past, they are offensive to those to whom they are applied, are not really accurate, and so should not be used. I made change in this regard, and have been reverted a couple of times; hence, I'm bringing it here for discussion/consensus. -- Midnite Critic 16:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
That is correct Pj. Further, Str1977, "Copt" simply means "Egyptian" and as such, is merely an ethnic label which carries no more of a negative connotation than does "Armenian". I agree with you re: Severus, BTW, but none of these churches can be identified with any one person, whether Jacob, Severus, or even Cyril. And you are right in that the West Syrian heritage is shared by the Oriental Orthodox (OO) Syriac Orthodox, the EO "Greek Orthodox" (Antiochian) SyriAN Orthodox, the Byzantine Rite "Melkite" Syrian Catholics, the Syrian (Rite) Catholics, and, of course, the Maronites. The problem with "Jacobite" is that, to OO ears, it carries a very negative connotation. In English, the Syriac Church adopted the name "Syriac" to distinguish itself from the "Greek Orthodox" Syrian Church, so when I hear "Syriac" I immediately think OO, but that may not be generally the case. In any event, I am open to suggestions to deal with your concerns, but let's avoid the use of "Nestorian" and "Jacobite," okay? -- Midnite Critic 17:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
FYI - I have posted notices at the Christianity portal and the Eastern Christianity portal, to bring in some more folks to help us reach c consensus on this. Pastordavid 17:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
In rereading the section in question, I am not sure it is even necessary to list the various OO Churches. Therefore, I propose the following text:
Eastern Christianity: Eastern Orthodox Churches, Oriental Orthodox Churches, the 100,000 member Assyrian Church of the East, and others with a combined membership of more than 300 million baptized persons.
-- Midnite Critic 17:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, as it completely removes the term "Nestorian" from the section, which parenthetically referred to the Assyrian Church of the East as "Nestorian". -- Midnite Critic 19:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a reason we are quoting Justin Martyr's description of Eucharist and not Paul's earlier description of the tradtion, commonly called the words of institution, from the book of Corinthians?-- Just nigel 01:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)