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It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to say that Christian Porter represents Murdoch in the opening sentence, and then say he represents Bateman. I will change it to say he represents Bateman. Syr0 ( talk) 02:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
As a current member of the Australian federal Cabinet, Porter is unquestionably on a shortlist of people who might be the subject of the allegation of rape in 1988, see for example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/pm-senators-afp-told-historical-rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/13197248
As a result, his movements and whereabouts during 1988 are being researched. There seems to be some confusion about which debating championships he attended and where they were held. I have added to the /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection page to say this page may need protection of some kind.
For the record this PDF file in the Wayback machine (see page 130–131) says he was selected for "the 1988 World Intervarsity competition (involving Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard and Yale Universities among 157 competing teams) […] as Captain." But that may be a mistake. He would have been 18 in this year and not yet at university. Ambrosechapel ( talk) 07:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Starting Uni in the year you turned 18 in Western Australia was standard at the time. 141.168.113.142 ( talk) 09:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Ambrosechapel: until 2004 students were enrolled on a the calendar year this they all finished year 12 in WA in the year they turned 17. This was change by 6 months when WA shifted to the National standard with the starting age now altered to July-June so now half the cohort turns 18 in the year they finish year 12. @ 5225C: ref this diff the difference about the debating aspect is that he made a state & national team which is something that would be presented to form part of any persons general notability. Where as the other activities he was just part of the high schools team and thus it doesnt contribute to the subjects notablity. The incident aside if the piece about the debating activity had been presented its notable as part of a national team, this source [2] pages 42,115,116 are an okay source for the fact he was part of the state and national teams of 1986 & 87, that as part of the 87 team he was selected to compete in 1988. The other part of the political equation needs a reliable source to confirm, if, when, and where he competed; making the assumption a source is found the question then is does that part of it warrent inclusion the article along with general or specific location details. In this case with whats available I support inclusion of the selection to state and national teams in 1986 & 87 are notable even to point of noting that he was selected in 1987 team to compete in a event in 1988. What I don't see is a case for the location details so I oppose inclusion of Sydney as the reliable source was published before that took place. Gnan garra 08:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Please don't delete this talk section again. The issues discussed above need to be resolved. -- Chuq (talk) 10:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Latest news reports are that the person is going to identify himself at a news conference within hours - it can all go into the article then. Achar Sva ( talk) 07:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure how to contriubte to talk pages, but I think it should be included somewhere a warning to australian readers and editors about how editing a wikipedia page is the same as posting to any public forum as far as the law is concerned and they're liable for anything they say, and in criminal matters it could pervert the course of justice, cause a mistrial even. I think locking the page is wise as it's likely to get edited a lot by people who care strongly about things. Is there a way to add warnings as a public service type thing? also should any investigation go to trial there may be a need to have a notice specifically for australian visitors to the page, perhaps notifying them that by visiting and veiwing they would be unable to serve on a jury in a trail. Wikipedia doesn't fall under australian law, but it can affect the outcome of cases in australia and might have a sort of obligation to mitigate it's influence, If this page was edited in a way that could influence the desciscions of a juror it could be grounds for mistrial in australia, we had laws than can prevent media outlets and journalists from naming the subjects of criminal investigation, recently used in the trial of George Pell for child abuse, (which he was later aquitted). Again Wikipedia doesn't fall under australian law, so theres no reason to censor it, but I think because an australian might visit the page and unknowningly preclude themselves from serving on the jury in a case it could be worth (not now because no such thing has happend yet) to if there was a media gag order, that the page provide a notice to australian veiwers, that them visiting or view the page could be grounds for a mistrial if they serve on a jury in a cse involving the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.199.50.121 ( talk) 10:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC) Apolgies for my poor spelling and articulation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.199.50.121 ( talk) 10:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
This article is mentioned in Christian Porter's statement of claim in his defamation case against the ABC (page 7). 124.186.176.197 ( talk) 13:48, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Notwithstanding any other discussions about what should be included in this article, it is surely relevant to encyclopedic coverage of Porter that he captained a major university debating team, including representing it at an international intervarsity competition. This is the kind of thing that if included in the 'early life'/'education' sections of an article on any other politician, provided it was sourced, would certainly not be removed, as it's eminently relevant to the career path of someone who later becomes a prominent politician. We can come to this conclusion independently of anything else that's being discussed about Porter's activities at that time. If the fact is supported by a source, what justification do we have for excluding it? Beorhtwulf ( talk) 15:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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In the following section, the word “soon” is both inaccurate and unnecessarily misleading. Several police inquiries were underway into the claim for several months, which is not “soon”. Suggest replacing “soon” with more neutral language such as “later” or “eventually”.
Government figures deferred action citing a referral to NSW police, but the police soon announced there was "insufficient admissible evidence" to secure a prosecution. 193.37.32.174 ( talk) 04:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Citation 36: "Subscribe to The Australian | Newspaper home delivery, website, iPad, iPhone & Android apps". The Australian. Retrieved 20 November 2019. Any idea what the linked article is, its title, author? Josh Parris 05:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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Reporter: So Mr Porter, what do you know about efforts to remove details of your debating trip in 1988 from Wikipedia?
Mr Porter: I have never heard of such a thing. I did not know that debating trips were on Wikipedia. [4]
My comment: Obviously that reporter did their "research" on Twitter instead of checking the facts. Adpete ( talk) 08:19, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Please don't get into "media" bashing here thanks. There's enough of that garbage on the wider internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.37.32.173 ( talk) 03:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
I've reverted delinking of rape and suicide three times today; I'm stopping at that level. The rationale given for delinking these terms is that they are common terms. WP:LINK doesn't suggest that common terms shouldn't be linked; only those of no particular relevance to the source article. The delinking seems to be an attempt to minimize damaging links within this article -- WP:WHITEWASH. Please refute. Josh Parris 08:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Malcolm stated in Nov 2020, “ If I had known at the time what was broadcast tonight, I would have made further inquiries before I made him attorney-general. I think that's true” ( https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/malcom-turnbull-christian-porter-denials-q+a-four-corners/12864992). However it’s now been said “ Mr Turnbull, who exchanged correspondence with the woman in 2019 about her allegations, is calling for a coronial inquest into her death.” ( https://www.sbs.com.au/news/malcolm-turnbull-leads-calls-for-rape-accused-cabinet-minister-to-out-himself). So Turnbull lied? Should be included as all cited properly 120.29.58.221 ( talk) 11:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
I have moved some material on the alleged rape from here to 2021 Australian Parliament rape allegations, with a prominent link to it with the "main" template. My reasoning is that material questioning/attacking the woman's story does not really belong here. Adpete ( talk) 11:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Why is Bill Shorten's Rape allegation not receiving identical article coverage? Honestyisbest ( talk) 03:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Porter has withdrawn his defamation claim following mediation with the ABC. The broadcaster will cover the costs of mediation but will not pay damages. The article remains online as published, appended with an editors note: "The ABC did not contend that the serious accusations could be substantiated to the applicable legal standard". Porter described the move as a "humiliating backdown" for the ABC. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedian231 ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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@ Hughesdarren: Here are just some suggestions. I won't be doing a good article review:
In March 2021, following the allegations against Portercomes before the rape allegation details.
Good luck with your good article nomination. Steelkamp ( talk) 15:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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The only image is correctly licensed.
-- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
All fixes look good; passing GA. FYI, the reason I edited your indents was per WP:INDENTMIX, to prevent screenreaders making a mess of reading the page. The rule is to repeat the previous editor's indent and then add a bullet or colon. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 11:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Christian Porter has been listed as one of the
Social sciences and society good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: August 14, 2022. ( Reviewed version). |
This article is written in Australian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, realise, program, labour (but Labor Party)) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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This article has been
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It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to say that Christian Porter represents Murdoch in the opening sentence, and then say he represents Bateman. I will change it to say he represents Bateman. Syr0 ( talk) 02:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
As a current member of the Australian federal Cabinet, Porter is unquestionably on a shortlist of people who might be the subject of the allegation of rape in 1988, see for example https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-26/pm-senators-afp-told-historical-rape-allegation-cabinet-minister/13197248
As a result, his movements and whereabouts during 1988 are being researched. There seems to be some confusion about which debating championships he attended and where they were held. I have added to the /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection page to say this page may need protection of some kind.
For the record this PDF file in the Wayback machine (see page 130–131) says he was selected for "the 1988 World Intervarsity competition (involving Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard and Yale Universities among 157 competing teams) […] as Captain." But that may be a mistake. He would have been 18 in this year and not yet at university. Ambrosechapel ( talk) 07:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Starting Uni in the year you turned 18 in Western Australia was standard at the time. 141.168.113.142 ( talk) 09:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Ambrosechapel: until 2004 students were enrolled on a the calendar year this they all finished year 12 in WA in the year they turned 17. This was change by 6 months when WA shifted to the National standard with the starting age now altered to July-June so now half the cohort turns 18 in the year they finish year 12. @ 5225C: ref this diff the difference about the debating aspect is that he made a state & national team which is something that would be presented to form part of any persons general notability. Where as the other activities he was just part of the high schools team and thus it doesnt contribute to the subjects notablity. The incident aside if the piece about the debating activity had been presented its notable as part of a national team, this source [2] pages 42,115,116 are an okay source for the fact he was part of the state and national teams of 1986 & 87, that as part of the 87 team he was selected to compete in 1988. The other part of the political equation needs a reliable source to confirm, if, when, and where he competed; making the assumption a source is found the question then is does that part of it warrent inclusion the article along with general or specific location details. In this case with whats available I support inclusion of the selection to state and national teams in 1986 & 87 are notable even to point of noting that he was selected in 1987 team to compete in a event in 1988. What I don't see is a case for the location details so I oppose inclusion of Sydney as the reliable source was published before that took place. Gnan garra 08:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Please don't delete this talk section again. The issues discussed above need to be resolved. -- Chuq (talk) 10:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Latest news reports are that the person is going to identify himself at a news conference within hours - it can all go into the article then. Achar Sva ( talk) 07:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure how to contriubte to talk pages, but I think it should be included somewhere a warning to australian readers and editors about how editing a wikipedia page is the same as posting to any public forum as far as the law is concerned and they're liable for anything they say, and in criminal matters it could pervert the course of justice, cause a mistrial even. I think locking the page is wise as it's likely to get edited a lot by people who care strongly about things. Is there a way to add warnings as a public service type thing? also should any investigation go to trial there may be a need to have a notice specifically for australian visitors to the page, perhaps notifying them that by visiting and veiwing they would be unable to serve on a jury in a trail. Wikipedia doesn't fall under australian law, but it can affect the outcome of cases in australia and might have a sort of obligation to mitigate it's influence, If this page was edited in a way that could influence the desciscions of a juror it could be grounds for mistrial in australia, we had laws than can prevent media outlets and journalists from naming the subjects of criminal investigation, recently used in the trial of George Pell for child abuse, (which he was later aquitted). Again Wikipedia doesn't fall under australian law, so theres no reason to censor it, but I think because an australian might visit the page and unknowningly preclude themselves from serving on the jury in a case it could be worth (not now because no such thing has happend yet) to if there was a media gag order, that the page provide a notice to australian veiwers, that them visiting or view the page could be grounds for a mistrial if they serve on a jury in a cse involving the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.199.50.121 ( talk) 10:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC) Apolgies for my poor spelling and articulation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.199.50.121 ( talk) 10:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
This article is mentioned in Christian Porter's statement of claim in his defamation case against the ABC (page 7). 124.186.176.197 ( talk) 13:48, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Notwithstanding any other discussions about what should be included in this article, it is surely relevant to encyclopedic coverage of Porter that he captained a major university debating team, including representing it at an international intervarsity competition. This is the kind of thing that if included in the 'early life'/'education' sections of an article on any other politician, provided it was sourced, would certainly not be removed, as it's eminently relevant to the career path of someone who later becomes a prominent politician. We can come to this conclusion independently of anything else that's being discussed about Porter's activities at that time. If the fact is supported by a source, what justification do we have for excluding it? Beorhtwulf ( talk) 15:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In the following section, the word “soon” is both inaccurate and unnecessarily misleading. Several police inquiries were underway into the claim for several months, which is not “soon”. Suggest replacing “soon” with more neutral language such as “later” or “eventually”.
Government figures deferred action citing a referral to NSW police, but the police soon announced there was "insufficient admissible evidence" to secure a prosecution. 193.37.32.174 ( talk) 04:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Citation 36: "Subscribe to The Australian | Newspaper home delivery, website, iPad, iPhone & Android apps". The Australian. Retrieved 20 November 2019. Any idea what the linked article is, its title, author? Josh Parris 05:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
References
Reporter: So Mr Porter, what do you know about efforts to remove details of your debating trip in 1988 from Wikipedia?
Mr Porter: I have never heard of such a thing. I did not know that debating trips were on Wikipedia. [4]
My comment: Obviously that reporter did their "research" on Twitter instead of checking the facts. Adpete ( talk) 08:19, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Please don't get into "media" bashing here thanks. There's enough of that garbage on the wider internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.37.32.173 ( talk) 03:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
I've reverted delinking of rape and suicide three times today; I'm stopping at that level. The rationale given for delinking these terms is that they are common terms. WP:LINK doesn't suggest that common terms shouldn't be linked; only those of no particular relevance to the source article. The delinking seems to be an attempt to minimize damaging links within this article -- WP:WHITEWASH. Please refute. Josh Parris 08:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Malcolm stated in Nov 2020, “ If I had known at the time what was broadcast tonight, I would have made further inquiries before I made him attorney-general. I think that's true” ( https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/malcom-turnbull-christian-porter-denials-q+a-four-corners/12864992). However it’s now been said “ Mr Turnbull, who exchanged correspondence with the woman in 2019 about her allegations, is calling for a coronial inquest into her death.” ( https://www.sbs.com.au/news/malcolm-turnbull-leads-calls-for-rape-accused-cabinet-minister-to-out-himself). So Turnbull lied? Should be included as all cited properly 120.29.58.221 ( talk) 11:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
I have moved some material on the alleged rape from here to 2021 Australian Parliament rape allegations, with a prominent link to it with the "main" template. My reasoning is that material questioning/attacking the woman's story does not really belong here. Adpete ( talk) 11:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Why is Bill Shorten's Rape allegation not receiving identical article coverage? Honestyisbest ( talk) 03:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Porter has withdrawn his defamation claim following mediation with the ABC. The broadcaster will cover the costs of mediation but will not pay damages. The article remains online as published, appended with an editors note: "The ABC did not contend that the serious accusations could be substantiated to the applicable legal standard". Porter described the move as a "humiliating backdown" for the ABC. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedian231 ( talk • contribs) 10:53, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
References
@ Hughesdarren: Here are just some suggestions. I won't be doing a good article review:
In March 2021, following the allegations against Portercomes before the rape allegation details.
Good luck with your good article nomination. Steelkamp ( talk) 15:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Mike Christie ( talk · contribs) 15:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
I'll review this.
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The only image is correctly licensed.
-- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
All fixes look good; passing GA. FYI, the reason I edited your indents was per WP:INDENTMIX, to prevent screenreaders making a mess of reading the page. The rule is to repeat the previous editor's indent and then add a bullet or colon. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 11:45, 14 August 2022 (UTC)