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HOLA 2806:263:A400:9BF0:99A5:9C0:FB87:B456 ( talk) 21:35, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: BritneyErotica ( talk · contribs) 06:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Music critic Thom Jurek of Allmusic praised the album, referring to the mariachi instrumentals as "lush and elegant," further stating, "Nodal wrote seven of these 13 songs, but given his performances, he may as well have penned them all... in these songs and others, Nodal evokes traces of the great romantic singers like Vincente Fernandez, and Luis Miguel"Consider this adjustment (with respect to your appropriate inline citations) while also capitalising music in AllMusic and breaking up the quote:
Shortly after his break-up with Belinda, Nodal started a relationship with Argentine singer and rapper Cazzu, though their relationship wasn't revealed until 2023. Rumors circulated that Nodal had moved to Argentina after it was discovered that he had purchased a lot in Buenos Aires, which were later confirmed by Cazzu. In April 2023, she confirmed her pregnancy during a concert, which Nodal later revealed the sex to be female and said was due sometime in September. In June 2023, Nodal and Cazzu went to France for unknown reasons, starting online speculation of a proposal
In June 2017, Nodal collaborated with Spanish singer David Bisbal on the single "Probablemente", which peaked at number two in Mexico" (Reference 6), "Probablemente" is mentioned and has information that could be used instead. You'd have to go through and find each relevant category within the Billboard website to find each song etc. to replace those links.
In January 2022, he released a remake of the single "Te Llore un Río" with Mexican rock band Maná, which became his eighth entry to top the Monitor Latino charts.
Speaking of the Billboard links, reference 46 and 47 are identical. However, I feel as if that they shouldn't be combined and instead distinguished based on the drop-down menu on the Billboard website (e.g., distinguishes Mexico Popular Airplay to Billboard Hot 100). This has been done for references 70, 71 and 72 so that format will work well. Please ensure to not make a new reference if you're repeating one (such as 70) in earlier text." This is not changing what is in the text, but rather the title used in the references to distinguish them. BritneyErotica ( talk) 13:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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" " " " " " " " " " " " Universal Music lawsuit Rework first sentence to: "In November 2021, a leaked letter from Universal Music Latin, Nodal's record label at the time, advised relevant parties against distributing Nodal's music." Personal life " " " " Tours I'd recommend individually citing these (excluding Forajido Tour) as they aren't mentioned in the main body of the article. Ensure these are reliable sources. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Perhaps changing "Controversies" to "Public image". "Controveries" is now generally avoided if possible. |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Copyvio highlights concern for quoted material in this article (specifically from Billboard). Please break up the quoted material in the "J Balvin controversy" section (and other sections throughout the article with excessive quoting). |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | Some sections only mentioned positive acclaim to his song releases (and, in itself, you should ensure not to use terms like "acclaimed" when describing people or his work). I think for the most part this is okay, and overall is balanced by mentioning his public image. |
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Just a quick driveby comment: on Wikipedia, we use the external-punctuation style for quotes even in American English. Minor point, but the article is correct to use it. (Thanks for your great reviews so far, by the way.) Vaticidal prophet 06:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Sammi Brie ( talk · contribs) 02:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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I am taking this on primarily to piggyback off the partially completed review by BritneyErotica, but I will take my own look at some areas.
Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.
I tried rewriting the Cazzu paragraph. I appreciate that due to its recency the material was not scrutinized as much in GA1:
Shortly after ending his relationship with Belinda, Nodal began dating Argentine singer and rapper Cazzu. However, the two kept their relationship private until sometime during 2023. Cazzu confirmed the relationship after rumors circulated in the wake of Nodal purchasing a lot in Buenos Aires. At a concert in April, Cazzu revealed she was pregnant, and Nodal revealed that the baby was a girl, due sometime in September. In June, Nodal and Cazzu went to France for unknown reasons, starting online speculation of a proposal. The baby was born on September 14, 2023, in Argentina; Nodal and Cazzu officially announced her birth on social media the next day.
The 18-year-old regional Mexican singer from Sonora, Mexico, dubs his musical style “mariacheño,” a mix of mariachi and norteño....
Nodal becomes the first regional Mexican act to reach the top five since Banda Sinaloense MS de Sergio Lizarraga’s “Solo Con Verte” peaked at No. 2 in February 2016.Looks like top five, not top ten. Otherwise checks out.
There are three images, all of which are CC-licensed. Captions are fine. One of the images, though, has an issue outside of the scope of your edits, and the infobox image should be switched back to File:Christian Nodal invitación.jpg for now. It's lower-quality but doesn't have the license issue that will need formal resolution.
The actual image of Nodal was apparently uploaded by his PR firm, Latiniconos. However, we need a bit more confirmation of that. I've started the ball rolling on this, but it requires Latiniconos to take some action (namely sending an email to the VRT). I won't hold the GA over this, but you should switch back for now. We can always change back if/when that permission is clarified.
General suggestion, not necessary for GA: Add alt text for people who use screen readers.
The result was: promoted by
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Improved to Good Article status by Dontuseurrealname ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Christian Nodal; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
His personal life is outdated now. (CC) Tbhotch ™ 08:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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HOLA 2806:263:A400:9BF0:99A5:9C0:FB87:B456 ( talk) 21:35, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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Reviewer: BritneyErotica ( talk · contribs) 06:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Music critic Thom Jurek of Allmusic praised the album, referring to the mariachi instrumentals as "lush and elegant," further stating, "Nodal wrote seven of these 13 songs, but given his performances, he may as well have penned them all... in these songs and others, Nodal evokes traces of the great romantic singers like Vincente Fernandez, and Luis Miguel"Consider this adjustment (with respect to your appropriate inline citations) while also capitalising music in AllMusic and breaking up the quote:
Shortly after his break-up with Belinda, Nodal started a relationship with Argentine singer and rapper Cazzu, though their relationship wasn't revealed until 2023. Rumors circulated that Nodal had moved to Argentina after it was discovered that he had purchased a lot in Buenos Aires, which were later confirmed by Cazzu. In April 2023, she confirmed her pregnancy during a concert, which Nodal later revealed the sex to be female and said was due sometime in September. In June 2023, Nodal and Cazzu went to France for unknown reasons, starting online speculation of a proposal
In June 2017, Nodal collaborated with Spanish singer David Bisbal on the single "Probablemente", which peaked at number two in Mexico" (Reference 6), "Probablemente" is mentioned and has information that could be used instead. You'd have to go through and find each relevant category within the Billboard website to find each song etc. to replace those links.
In January 2022, he released a remake of the single "Te Llore un Río" with Mexican rock band Maná, which became his eighth entry to top the Monitor Latino charts.
Speaking of the Billboard links, reference 46 and 47 are identical. However, I feel as if that they shouldn't be combined and instead distinguished based on the drop-down menu on the Billboard website (e.g., distinguishes Mexico Popular Airplay to Billboard Hot 100). This has been done for references 70, 71 and 72 so that format will work well. Please ensure to not make a new reference if you're repeating one (such as 70) in earlier text." This is not changing what is in the text, but rather the title used in the references to distinguish them. BritneyErotica ( talk) 13:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Maintain consistency when referring to the position of his songs in charts. For example, it is not recommended to refer to a position as "number four" and then in another paragraph as "number 4". Ideally it would used in its letter form (four not 4).
" " " " " " " " " " " " Universal Music lawsuit Rework first sentence to: "In November 2021, a leaked letter from Universal Music Latin, Nodal's record label at the time, advised relevant parties against distributing Nodal's music." Personal life " " " " Tours I'd recommend individually citing these (excluding Forajido Tour) as they aren't mentioned in the main body of the article. Ensure these are reliable sources. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Perhaps changing "Controversies" to "Public image". "Controveries" is now generally avoided if possible. |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | |
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2c. it contains no original research. | |
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2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | Copyvio highlights concern for quoted material in this article (specifically from Billboard). Please break up the quoted material in the "J Balvin controversy" section (and other sections throughout the article with excessive quoting). |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
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3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | Some sections only mentioned positive acclaim to his song releases (and, in itself, you should ensure not to use terms like "acclaimed" when describing people or his work). I think for the most part this is okay, and overall is balanced by mentioning his public image. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | |
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6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | |
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7. Overall assessment. | Feedback has been adjusted. |
Just a quick driveby comment: on Wikipedia, we use the external-punctuation style for quotes even in American English. Minor point, but the article is correct to use it. (Thanks for your great reviews so far, by the way.) Vaticidal prophet 06:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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I am taking this on primarily to piggyback off the partially completed review by BritneyErotica, but I will take my own look at some areas.
Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.
I tried rewriting the Cazzu paragraph. I appreciate that due to its recency the material was not scrutinized as much in GA1:
Shortly after ending his relationship with Belinda, Nodal began dating Argentine singer and rapper Cazzu. However, the two kept their relationship private until sometime during 2023. Cazzu confirmed the relationship after rumors circulated in the wake of Nodal purchasing a lot in Buenos Aires. At a concert in April, Cazzu revealed she was pregnant, and Nodal revealed that the baby was a girl, due sometime in September. In June, Nodal and Cazzu went to France for unknown reasons, starting online speculation of a proposal. The baby was born on September 14, 2023, in Argentina; Nodal and Cazzu officially announced her birth on social media the next day.
The 18-year-old regional Mexican singer from Sonora, Mexico, dubs his musical style “mariacheño,” a mix of mariachi and norteño....
Nodal becomes the first regional Mexican act to reach the top five since Banda Sinaloense MS de Sergio Lizarraga’s “Solo Con Verte” peaked at No. 2 in February 2016.Looks like top five, not top ten. Otherwise checks out.
There are three images, all of which are CC-licensed. Captions are fine. One of the images, though, has an issue outside of the scope of your edits, and the infobox image should be switched back to File:Christian Nodal invitación.jpg for now. It's lower-quality but doesn't have the license issue that will need formal resolution.
The actual image of Nodal was apparently uploaded by his PR firm, Latiniconos. However, we need a bit more confirmation of that. I've started the ball rolling on this, but it requires Latiniconos to take some action (namely sending an email to the VRT). I won't hold the GA over this, but you should switch back for now. We can always change back if/when that permission is clarified.
General suggestion, not necessary for GA: Add alt text for people who use screen readers.
The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron
talk
23:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Dontuseurrealname ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Christian Nodal; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
His personal life is outdated now. (CC) Tbhotch ™ 08:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)