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Here is the list of P2 members (I selected a non-italian site just for better "objectivity"): http://www.amnistia.net/news/gelli/lesnoms.htm
Mrs. Tina Anselmi, president of parliamentar inquiry commission on P2 was from DC.
Let's keep propaganda out of facts, please.
Presuming that enough informations are easily available on the web for a better idea of what P2 was and represented, and having seen no re-correction to the article in a reasonable time, I have to conclude that DC was effectively "tarnished from 1981 onward" (while I was ingenuously convinced that, apart from premier Forlani resigning due to a late divulgation of these lists, and ordinary political propaganda by leftists, nothing more of notable had disturbed this party about P2, to the point that Tina Anselmi, a DC, was named to judge it with the agreement of PCI).
Funny: DC "was" tarnished because P2 was projecting a golpe when the same DC was running Italy... (of course it was involved).
However, I'm not going now to censor the official version; who am I to do it?
Don't you think the Post WW2 period was important in the uprising of the Christian Democratic Party in Italy. Shouldn't that type of information be included? I am working on it right now. Bakjaewon ( talk) 22:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a mention of Cosa Nostra? -- Error
Should it be mentioned that the DC site, the P2 site and Il Gesù Jesuit church are all located in the same Piazza del Gesù? -- Error 02:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
According to an old book I have (from 1992) the DC had been continously in government from 1945 to that point in time. But what is the end point of this continuous time in government? Were they part of the government all the time up to the formation of the first Berlusconi-government??-- Oddeivind ( talk) 10:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
In reference 17 where there should be a link to the letters Moro wrote critically of Andreotti is a link to a business hosting website Yepa. Perhaps we can find a link to a source of actual script of these letters. ThisisnotDavid1154 ( talk) 20:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)ThisisnotDavid1154
It is a non-written custom of Wikipedia to have the last logo of a party in the infobox, it doesn't matter whether it is a current party or a former party, while previous logos should be included in the article's text. The last symbol of DC, used since the 1980s, is File:DC Logo.png, while the earlier one is File:DC PPI Shield.png. The former will stay in the infobox, the latter in the article's text. I hope new users understand this non-written custom and comply to it.
I take this opportunity to ask users to find the last logo of the Italian Socialist Party (carnation) in order to include it in the article's infobox.
-- Checco ( talk) 15:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
What are your sources? We don't find them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 15:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
[1] All the sources you need about my affirmations. What can I find YOUR presumptive logo?-- 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 16:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Please post a pic of that book: en.wiki rules about images are more free than it.wiki. Excuse me if I don't believe you, but you said "in fact that was the logo DC used in 1987 and 1992!" [2], and at least for the first year, your affirmations are evidently false: [3] (and in 1990 we are only 3 years before DC's disbanding).-- 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 16:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
You can call me "NumberOne".-- 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 16:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, your source is now a good source. But I still think that a one-time logo is less relevant than a logo used dozens of times.
It we are speaking about nazism, we can not give a more relevant place to Karl Donotz than Adolf Hitler, only by the fact that it was the last leader, don't you agree? NumberOne--
79.45.156.70 (
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I generally agree with you when a party had a series of logos with quite the same duration (as PSI), but you see, here we are speaking about a 1:49 ratio..... NumberOne-- 79.24.129.86 ( talk) 14:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. Kilo T 22:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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Greetings, all. Allow me to dispute statements presented as fact in the article.
Christian Democracy or Democrazia Cristiana (DC) was never a centrist party. The source invoked (Derbyshire, Derbyshire Political Systems Of The World, 1989) has the party as "Christian centrist" in the sense that it was not a hard-line religious, Christian party. DC was above all else a conservative and anti-communist party (Newell The Politics of Italy: Governance in a Normal Country, 2010). Also, not a "catch-all" party per se but a party that employed "a catch-all" strategy that was supposed to "reach beyond the ranks of the Catholic faithful and allow it to successfully act as the [country's] main bulwark against communism" (Newell, ibid). Giuseppe Dossetti, co-founder of the party, was clear since the beginning that this would be un movimento conservatore ("a conservative movement"). The CIA in its reports was typically referring to the DC's "conservatism," even when qualifying it as "mild." We should also point out the various positions adopted by DC throughout its history on the defining issues of divorce (see Divorce in Italy), abortion (see Ergas, Yasemine "Feminism and the Italian Party System: Women's Politics in a Decade of Turmoil"), extramarital sex (Ergas ibid), gay marriage, etc. The Christian Democrats steadfastly stood alongside the Vatican in opposing any liberalisation on these issues. The proper term to denote DC, therefore, per sources, is "conservative." - The Gnome ( talk) 18:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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Here is the list of P2 members (I selected a non-italian site just for better "objectivity"): http://www.amnistia.net/news/gelli/lesnoms.htm
Mrs. Tina Anselmi, president of parliamentar inquiry commission on P2 was from DC.
Let's keep propaganda out of facts, please.
Presuming that enough informations are easily available on the web for a better idea of what P2 was and represented, and having seen no re-correction to the article in a reasonable time, I have to conclude that DC was effectively "tarnished from 1981 onward" (while I was ingenuously convinced that, apart from premier Forlani resigning due to a late divulgation of these lists, and ordinary political propaganda by leftists, nothing more of notable had disturbed this party about P2, to the point that Tina Anselmi, a DC, was named to judge it with the agreement of PCI).
Funny: DC "was" tarnished because P2 was projecting a golpe when the same DC was running Italy... (of course it was involved).
However, I'm not going now to censor the official version; who am I to do it?
Don't you think the Post WW2 period was important in the uprising of the Christian Democratic Party in Italy. Shouldn't that type of information be included? I am working on it right now. Bakjaewon ( talk) 22:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a mention of Cosa Nostra? -- Error
Should it be mentioned that the DC site, the P2 site and Il Gesù Jesuit church are all located in the same Piazza del Gesù? -- Error 02:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
According to an old book I have (from 1992) the DC had been continously in government from 1945 to that point in time. But what is the end point of this continuous time in government? Were they part of the government all the time up to the formation of the first Berlusconi-government??-- Oddeivind ( talk) 10:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
In reference 17 where there should be a link to the letters Moro wrote critically of Andreotti is a link to a business hosting website Yepa. Perhaps we can find a link to a source of actual script of these letters. ThisisnotDavid1154 ( talk) 20:20, 25 August 2016 (UTC)ThisisnotDavid1154
It is a non-written custom of Wikipedia to have the last logo of a party in the infobox, it doesn't matter whether it is a current party or a former party, while previous logos should be included in the article's text. The last symbol of DC, used since the 1980s, is File:DC Logo.png, while the earlier one is File:DC PPI Shield.png. The former will stay in the infobox, the latter in the article's text. I hope new users understand this non-written custom and comply to it.
I take this opportunity to ask users to find the last logo of the Italian Socialist Party (carnation) in order to include it in the article's infobox.
-- Checco ( talk) 15:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
What are your sources? We don't find them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 15:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
[1] All the sources you need about my affirmations. What can I find YOUR presumptive logo?-- 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 16:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Please post a pic of that book: en.wiki rules about images are more free than it.wiki. Excuse me if I don't believe you, but you said "in fact that was the logo DC used in 1987 and 1992!" [2], and at least for the first year, your affirmations are evidently false: [3] (and in 1990 we are only 3 years before DC's disbanding).-- 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 16:25, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
You can call me "NumberOne".-- 79.45.156.70 ( talk) 16:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, your source is now a good source. But I still think that a one-time logo is less relevant than a logo used dozens of times.
It we are speaking about nazism, we can not give a more relevant place to Karl Donotz than Adolf Hitler, only by the fact that it was the last leader, don't you agree? NumberOne--
79.45.156.70 (
talk) 17:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
I generally agree with you when a party had a series of logos with quite the same duration (as PSI), but you see, here we are speaking about a 1:49 ratio..... NumberOne-- 79.24.129.86 ( talk) 14:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move. Kilo T 22:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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Greetings, all. Allow me to dispute statements presented as fact in the article.
Christian Democracy or Democrazia Cristiana (DC) was never a centrist party. The source invoked (Derbyshire, Derbyshire Political Systems Of The World, 1989) has the party as "Christian centrist" in the sense that it was not a hard-line religious, Christian party. DC was above all else a conservative and anti-communist party (Newell The Politics of Italy: Governance in a Normal Country, 2010). Also, not a "catch-all" party per se but a party that employed "a catch-all" strategy that was supposed to "reach beyond the ranks of the Catholic faithful and allow it to successfully act as the [country's] main bulwark against communism" (Newell, ibid). Giuseppe Dossetti, co-founder of the party, was clear since the beginning that this would be un movimento conservatore ("a conservative movement"). The CIA in its reports was typically referring to the DC's "conservatism," even when qualifying it as "mild." We should also point out the various positions adopted by DC throughout its history on the defining issues of divorce (see Divorce in Italy), abortion (see Ergas, Yasemine "Feminism and the Italian Party System: Women's Politics in a Decade of Turmoil"), extramarital sex (Ergas ibid), gay marriage, etc. The Christian Democrats steadfastly stood alongside the Vatican in opposing any liberalisation on these issues. The proper term to denote DC, therefore, per sources, is "conservative." - The Gnome ( talk) 18:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)