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According to the Bravo Two Zero article, this is his real name. Have confirmed this elsewhere. Beanbatch 17:23, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Have met the man. I confirm that this is not his real name. It is indeed a pseudonym. Edward Grefenstette 02:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't get it, he is now a
public figure, an author, on TV, etc..why maintain the pseudonym? Part of the
SAS mystique?--
Hooperbloob 05:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Chris was never a member of the Parachute Regiment. He went straight into 22 SAS as a territorial. He did however spend a brief period with the paras to get a parent regiment something they did then. It was common practice for anyone not serving in a regular army unit to do that then. Royal Navy, RAF and even Royal Marines but is a system that has become defunct now.
hmmmmm.... nice fairytale mate. Ryan IS a pseudonym, let's please stop bringing this into question. some of
you may be confused as to why he uses a pseudonym but doesn't hide his face, but it doesn't matter, it will remain an unanswered querie. just to reconfirm, regardless of what some of you have heard from your cousin's best friend's mother's uncle, or elsewhere, ryan IS a pseudonym.—The preceding comment was added on unknown date.
Hey,
I just wondered if anyone could answer this question. If 'Chris Ryan' is indeed not his real name, and the name is a Pseudonym, then why on the cover of 'Chris Ryan's SAS Fitness Book' and at the back of his books is there a picture of him?
Note: (P.S) : I thought his name and his face had to be secret?—The preceding comment was added on unknown date.
Hi!
OP? what on earth is OP? How on earth can an initial be used with no reference to what it stands for.
Also the phrase '...made eye contact with the patrol' could of course be expressed succinctly as 'saw them.'
Dixie
Chris Ryan ain't his real name. He used it when he was held by the Syrians. Besides he knows things about the regiment. If he used his real name, enemies could track him and his family down and squeeze him for information which would endanger SAS troopers and their families.
Right...
i believe that the Pseudonym is part of the policy, as a few programmes on tv lately are interviewing past members of the regiment and a few have blanked out faces. Now, has anyone thought that maybe, they have several choices; firstly, they can have a pseudonym. Secondly, they can have a pseudonym and general media blackout (so to speak) or their third ption could be to just not have any secrecy and risk it. ALthough, it could depend on what ops they've been on and how long they've been out of the regiment. Anyhow, thats my say, hope it's either switched on a few light bulbs or cleared some things up. if not, well, tough.
Oh, and has anyone actually noticed a striking similarity between Chris Ryan (ex SAS) on Chris Ryan's Elite World Police tv show and Mike from the Young Ones? just throwing it out there..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.166.60 ( talk) 18:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Is somebody able to confirm that Chris Ryan has (or is planning) to write this book as I've checked elsewhere on the Internet and cannot find anything about it. I've removed it but if someone does find something about it then feel free to put it back under Non Fiction. DavidB601 18:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
How could Chris Ryan have been based in Aden during the british withdrawl... The withdrawl happened in 1967, Ryan was born in 1961 and didn't join the terratorial SAS until 1984? WikipedianProlific (Talk) 12:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The same question I wanted to pose - Chris Ryan was 6 when the British pulled out of Aden, this is clearly a spurious edit and should surely be removed?
Yes I was just about to make this exact comment! Since the above comment was from 2007 I am going to take this bit out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 ( talk) 10:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The quote is true. I made sure the reference given was correct, by looking up the page given in the reference and it says specifically how he parachuted into Aden because law and order was breaking down, no one mentioned a war.
Where does it specifically say "they parachuted into the sea to secure the beach heads whilst the British pulled out."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snakehands ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
"but after 3 weeks they were ordered to return to 22nd SAS to go with 'B'Squadron to Aden where they parachuted into the sea to secure the beach heads whilst the British pulled out."
Shear fantasy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snakehands ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Because this article is about a real person, I intend to edit the name 'Chris Ryan' to his actual name. I am aware that this is going to cause an uproar from 'Ryan' devoteees, however the edit is verifiable, and most importantly, it is the right thing to do for the sake of encyclopedic content: Wikipedia is not a soapbox and additionally, Wikipedia is not censored.
Not that it is required, but below is a brief justification for those who disagree that Wikipedia should inform readers about the truth behind their 'war hero'.
{{
cite book}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
|supp=
(
help)). 4 December 1997.
If your strongest source for the author's real name is your own personal "structured process of elimination", then this goes strongly and clearly against WP:SYN ("Do not put together information from multiple sources to reach a conclusion that is not stated explicitly by any of the sources."). Editors' personal theories and research are not reliable sources, especially for a biographical article, which must hold to WP:BLP. -- McGeddon ( talk) 10:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Comment. Wihout regard to above the article should be named using the most usual name he is known by - See Saki for an example Kernel Saunters ( talk) 11:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
It is surely well-known, and can be easily checked on the web, that Chris Ryan's books are ghost-written by a variety of different authors. Surely then this entry should make this clear? Wiki-pedia is meant to be a soource of information, and so it is surely wrong to describe him as an 'author'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.102.20.12 ( talk) 13:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Given there's an edit war over this at the moment, does Michael Asher's book explicitly identify Ryan or is it the same network of speculation listed above? Should we be framing it as "the pseudonym of a Special Forces operative, thought by Michael Asher to be Colin Armstrong"? I can't find any other obvious sources that identify him. -- McGeddon ( talk) 10:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"planned to spend three months with the Parachute Regiment at Falklands, and stayed there for 3 months before returning back to England, where they parachuted into the sea to secure the beach heads whilst the British pulled out"
Into which sea did he parachute?
Which beach heads was he securing?
From where were the British pulling out?
Is this tied up with the Aden quotes I've read? They seem to have all gone. "At Falklands"? Do they mean the Falkland Islands?
The passage doesn't make much sense to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.183.25 ( talk) 21:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Relating to his books, does the character Geordie Sharp in some of his books come in because of his internal SAS time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.106.2 ( talk) 05:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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The source for this states:
Checking back, the interview appears to be this one on the Daily Mail's 'This is Money' site. The full text reads:
Pilger's use of the word "lamented" implies that Ryan was sorry that the training was stopped, when from the fill context it's clear that it caused him financial problems, because he'd already spent some/all of it. The latter may be an issue, but it has very little to do with the main issue of KR training by the SAS. I am therefore amending the text accordingly. Nick Cooper ( talk) 15:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
"During his escape, Ryan suffered injuries from drinking water contaminated with nuclear waste. Besides suffering severe muscle atrophy, he lost a potentially fatal 16.32 kg (36.0 lb) and did not return to operational duties. Instead, he selected and trained potential recruits, finally being honourably discharged from the SAS in 1994."
Yet he claims to have participated in an operation in Zaire in October 1991?
http://chrisryansas.blogspot.com/2012/08/my-most-dangerous-ever-mission.html
Is this more fictional derring-do from "Chris Ryan"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.189.250 ( talk) 17:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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According to the Bravo Two Zero article, this is his real name. Have confirmed this elsewhere. Beanbatch 17:23, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Have met the man. I confirm that this is not his real name. It is indeed a pseudonym. Edward Grefenstette 02:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't get it, he is now a
public figure, an author, on TV, etc..why maintain the pseudonym? Part of the
SAS mystique?--
Hooperbloob 05:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Chris was never a member of the Parachute Regiment. He went straight into 22 SAS as a territorial. He did however spend a brief period with the paras to get a parent regiment something they did then. It was common practice for anyone not serving in a regular army unit to do that then. Royal Navy, RAF and even Royal Marines but is a system that has become defunct now.
hmmmmm.... nice fairytale mate. Ryan IS a pseudonym, let's please stop bringing this into question. some of
you may be confused as to why he uses a pseudonym but doesn't hide his face, but it doesn't matter, it will remain an unanswered querie. just to reconfirm, regardless of what some of you have heard from your cousin's best friend's mother's uncle, or elsewhere, ryan IS a pseudonym.—The preceding comment was added on unknown date.
Hey,
I just wondered if anyone could answer this question. If 'Chris Ryan' is indeed not his real name, and the name is a Pseudonym, then why on the cover of 'Chris Ryan's SAS Fitness Book' and at the back of his books is there a picture of him?
Note: (P.S) : I thought his name and his face had to be secret?—The preceding comment was added on unknown date.
Hi!
OP? what on earth is OP? How on earth can an initial be used with no reference to what it stands for.
Also the phrase '...made eye contact with the patrol' could of course be expressed succinctly as 'saw them.'
Dixie
Chris Ryan ain't his real name. He used it when he was held by the Syrians. Besides he knows things about the regiment. If he used his real name, enemies could track him and his family down and squeeze him for information which would endanger SAS troopers and their families.
Right...
i believe that the Pseudonym is part of the policy, as a few programmes on tv lately are interviewing past members of the regiment and a few have blanked out faces. Now, has anyone thought that maybe, they have several choices; firstly, they can have a pseudonym. Secondly, they can have a pseudonym and general media blackout (so to speak) or their third ption could be to just not have any secrecy and risk it. ALthough, it could depend on what ops they've been on and how long they've been out of the regiment. Anyhow, thats my say, hope it's either switched on a few light bulbs or cleared some things up. if not, well, tough.
Oh, and has anyone actually noticed a striking similarity between Chris Ryan (ex SAS) on Chris Ryan's Elite World Police tv show and Mike from the Young Ones? just throwing it out there..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.166.60 ( talk) 18:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Is somebody able to confirm that Chris Ryan has (or is planning) to write this book as I've checked elsewhere on the Internet and cannot find anything about it. I've removed it but if someone does find something about it then feel free to put it back under Non Fiction. DavidB601 18:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
How could Chris Ryan have been based in Aden during the british withdrawl... The withdrawl happened in 1967, Ryan was born in 1961 and didn't join the terratorial SAS until 1984? WikipedianProlific (Talk) 12:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The same question I wanted to pose - Chris Ryan was 6 when the British pulled out of Aden, this is clearly a spurious edit and should surely be removed?
Yes I was just about to make this exact comment! Since the above comment was from 2007 I am going to take this bit out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 ( talk) 10:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The quote is true. I made sure the reference given was correct, by looking up the page given in the reference and it says specifically how he parachuted into Aden because law and order was breaking down, no one mentioned a war.
Where does it specifically say "they parachuted into the sea to secure the beach heads whilst the British pulled out."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snakehands ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
"but after 3 weeks they were ordered to return to 22nd SAS to go with 'B'Squadron to Aden where they parachuted into the sea to secure the beach heads whilst the British pulled out."
Shear fantasy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snakehands ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Because this article is about a real person, I intend to edit the name 'Chris Ryan' to his actual name. I am aware that this is going to cause an uproar from 'Ryan' devoteees, however the edit is verifiable, and most importantly, it is the right thing to do for the sake of encyclopedic content: Wikipedia is not a soapbox and additionally, Wikipedia is not censored.
Not that it is required, but below is a brief justification for those who disagree that Wikipedia should inform readers about the truth behind their 'war hero'.
{{
cite book}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
|supp=
(
help)). 4 December 1997.
If your strongest source for the author's real name is your own personal "structured process of elimination", then this goes strongly and clearly against WP:SYN ("Do not put together information from multiple sources to reach a conclusion that is not stated explicitly by any of the sources."). Editors' personal theories and research are not reliable sources, especially for a biographical article, which must hold to WP:BLP. -- McGeddon ( talk) 10:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Comment. Wihout regard to above the article should be named using the most usual name he is known by - See Saki for an example Kernel Saunters ( talk) 11:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
It is surely well-known, and can be easily checked on the web, that Chris Ryan's books are ghost-written by a variety of different authors. Surely then this entry should make this clear? Wiki-pedia is meant to be a soource of information, and so it is surely wrong to describe him as an 'author'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.102.20.12 ( talk) 13:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Given there's an edit war over this at the moment, does Michael Asher's book explicitly identify Ryan or is it the same network of speculation listed above? Should we be framing it as "the pseudonym of a Special Forces operative, thought by Michael Asher to be Colin Armstrong"? I can't find any other obvious sources that identify him. -- McGeddon ( talk) 10:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"planned to spend three months with the Parachute Regiment at Falklands, and stayed there for 3 months before returning back to England, where they parachuted into the sea to secure the beach heads whilst the British pulled out"
Into which sea did he parachute?
Which beach heads was he securing?
From where were the British pulling out?
Is this tied up with the Aden quotes I've read? They seem to have all gone. "At Falklands"? Do they mean the Falkland Islands?
The passage doesn't make much sense to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.183.25 ( talk) 21:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Relating to his books, does the character Geordie Sharp in some of his books come in because of his internal SAS time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.106.2 ( talk) 05:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
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The source for this states:
Checking back, the interview appears to be this one on the Daily Mail's 'This is Money' site. The full text reads:
Pilger's use of the word "lamented" implies that Ryan was sorry that the training was stopped, when from the fill context it's clear that it caused him financial problems, because he'd already spent some/all of it. The latter may be an issue, but it has very little to do with the main issue of KR training by the SAS. I am therefore amending the text accordingly. Nick Cooper ( talk) 15:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
"During his escape, Ryan suffered injuries from drinking water contaminated with nuclear waste. Besides suffering severe muscle atrophy, he lost a potentially fatal 16.32 kg (36.0 lb) and did not return to operational duties. Instead, he selected and trained potential recruits, finally being honourably discharged from the SAS in 1994."
Yet he claims to have participated in an operation in Zaire in October 1991?
http://chrisryansas.blogspot.com/2012/08/my-most-dangerous-ever-mission.html
Is this more fictional derring-do from "Chris Ryan"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.189.250 ( talk) 17:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
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