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He died of a drug overdose —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.87.99 ( talk) 02:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
removing reference to drug overdose until this is confirmed 203.11.225.5 03:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
wow i was surprised to see how fast his death was posted on here. i only just heard about it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.91.2 ( talk) 04:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't take much to surprise you then. Ajayvius 06:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
They say Wikipedia is the ultimate death predictor. citation needed Dyslexicbudgie 06:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Can you reference that? Ajayvius 08:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
To Quote WP:BLP Editors should avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. this applies to speculation/theories about the cause of his death, be cautious about the use of sources that imply drug use in association with other living people. When the police have confirmed the cause of death then that should be included what ever its cause. Gnan garra 00:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I've got to agree that BLP obviously doesn't apply. There's plenty of speculation about the cause of his death, which should be confirmed or denied soon as they are doing a toxicology report, but if it has a reputable source then it should stay in the article. Every news report I've seen is now reporting it as a "suspected drug overdose". Ticklemygrits 04:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I've re-added the deleted edit. The most appropriate policy is WP:FAN. We shouldn't be looking to gloss over the circumstances of his death, if the coroner or police come out and refute it, then change the article to reflect that when it happens. Also the cause of his death is known, just not what contributed to that. Ticklemygrits 04:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah i gues it is a bit of a long bow, I'm not as concerned about the Hyponatremis stuff. Ticklemygrits 05:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
On him telling the paramedics he had taken "ecstacy and cannabis", the only other source I can find calls them "uncomfirmed" [3]. It looks like there's only one souce for it, so I don't mind leaving it out for the moment Ticklemygrits 12:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
As I stated above in relation to the hyponatremia stuff, the article which had been cited as support for the theory that he died that way, did not even present it as a theory. It basically said "Mainwaring died from seizures. Hyponatremia often causes seizures, and can result from drug use or over-exercise." Even the article does not make the gigantic leap to suggesting that the cause of his death may have been hyponatremia. It just mentions it in passing. Thus, it is not a good source for the existence of such a theory.
In any event, it is generally accepted practice on Wikipedia articles upon the unexpected and unexplained death of a public figure to refrain from turning the article into a clearinghouse of theories suggested by the general public who do not have any special grounding to make such suggestions. This was seen on the Anna Nicole Smith article. The autopsy is happening tomorrow; I don't think a few days of not having all the theories covered on our article is going to be damaging. - Mark 14:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
WWGB, there are plenty of sources for this and I've added a cite. I've added 'suspected' if that's a better fit. Ticklemygrits 06:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
"Height/Weight 177cm / 185kg "
Was he really 185 kilos? DollyD ( talk) 04:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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He died of a drug overdose —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.87.99 ( talk) 02:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
removing reference to drug overdose until this is confirmed 203.11.225.5 03:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
wow i was surprised to see how fast his death was posted on here. i only just heard about it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.91.2 ( talk) 04:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't take much to surprise you then. Ajayvius 06:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
They say Wikipedia is the ultimate death predictor. citation needed Dyslexicbudgie 06:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Can you reference that? Ajayvius 08:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
To Quote WP:BLP Editors should avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to an encyclopedia article about the subject. this applies to speculation/theories about the cause of his death, be cautious about the use of sources that imply drug use in association with other living people. When the police have confirmed the cause of death then that should be included what ever its cause. Gnan garra 00:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I've got to agree that BLP obviously doesn't apply. There's plenty of speculation about the cause of his death, which should be confirmed or denied soon as they are doing a toxicology report, but if it has a reputable source then it should stay in the article. Every news report I've seen is now reporting it as a "suspected drug overdose". Ticklemygrits 04:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I've re-added the deleted edit. The most appropriate policy is WP:FAN. We shouldn't be looking to gloss over the circumstances of his death, if the coroner or police come out and refute it, then change the article to reflect that when it happens. Also the cause of his death is known, just not what contributed to that. Ticklemygrits 04:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah i gues it is a bit of a long bow, I'm not as concerned about the Hyponatremis stuff. Ticklemygrits 05:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
On him telling the paramedics he had taken "ecstacy and cannabis", the only other source I can find calls them "uncomfirmed" [3]. It looks like there's only one souce for it, so I don't mind leaving it out for the moment Ticklemygrits 12:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
As I stated above in relation to the hyponatremia stuff, the article which had been cited as support for the theory that he died that way, did not even present it as a theory. It basically said "Mainwaring died from seizures. Hyponatremia often causes seizures, and can result from drug use or over-exercise." Even the article does not make the gigantic leap to suggesting that the cause of his death may have been hyponatremia. It just mentions it in passing. Thus, it is not a good source for the existence of such a theory.
In any event, it is generally accepted practice on Wikipedia articles upon the unexpected and unexplained death of a public figure to refrain from turning the article into a clearinghouse of theories suggested by the general public who do not have any special grounding to make such suggestions. This was seen on the Anna Nicole Smith article. The autopsy is happening tomorrow; I don't think a few days of not having all the theories covered on our article is going to be damaging. - Mark 14:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
WWGB, there are plenty of sources for this and I've added a cite. I've added 'suspected' if that's a better fit. Ticklemygrits 06:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
"Height/Weight 177cm / 185kg "
Was he really 185 kilos? DollyD ( talk) 04:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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