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The bulk of the initial version of this article should be credited to ChristaJwl who created this draft. I used it and the sources as the basis for the initial version that is now published. Thanks for creating this article! -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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@ BostickLaw: I added this to your talk page. You can reply at either place. I put this notice here so other editors know I am trying to address the issue:
The discussion is here: User_talk:BostickLaw#Re:_Christopher_Hollins_--_Please_slow_down -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Struck COI question per [4]. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@ BostickLaw: In this edit, I restore the language that said that the only people who could vote absentee had to be over 65. I'm pretty sure that is what the cited WP:RS said. I'm guessing you are an attorney and that you were citing law, and that those exception mentioned in the material are in the statutes or case law. But it's not in the articles cited. I have a paralegal degree and know how to perform legal research. But Wikipedia typically doesn't work like legal research. I wish I could find an essay that explains just how completely different it is here. You might try looking at WikiProject Law.
If you can provide the legal citations for what you added about exceptions other than age 65, I'll take a look. It's possible the reporters screwed it up. Was it mentioned in an online public document that is in the litigation? But it is unlikely it can go in this article unless Hollins is mentioned in WP:RS. That would be called WP:OR and/or WP:SYN.
Again what's in the article is all about what is in the WP:RS. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@ BostickLaw: Wikipedia is not the news which means that it’s often better to wait until time has passed an secondary and independent reliable sources (as defined by WP:RS) have had to comment and interpret events than try and update articles to reflect the latest information. In addition, Wikipedia isn’t the place for us as editors to interpret things we know about the subjects of articles or to try and do our own synthesis of what we read in reliable sources, no matter our expertise on the subject matter.
The problem that I’m starting to see in this article that it seems to moving in a direction where the focus is more on the current cases Hollins is involved in and less on him as a person. The article is about him as a person, i.e. a WP:BLP; so, the effort should be being made to find more coverage in reliable sources about him outside of the cases he’s involved in; if the article starts to become too much of a WP:BLP1E so the focus is more on the cases he’s involved in than him as a person, the chance of the article being WP:DELETEd outright, or WP:MERGEd/ WP:REDIRECTed to some other related article increase.
Hollins seems to be doing some really good things and I understand they are probably important in the context of the upcoming US presidential election, but it’s not Wikipedia’s role to serve as a platform for such things. While I think your intentions are the best, Wikipedia articles are not really meant to be up-to-date timely accounts of what’s going on out in the world. Sometimes we as editors have to wait for things to be sorted out and resolved (i.e. reliable secondary sources to catch up) before we try to add content about them to Wikipedia articles. — Marchjuly ( talk) 02:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Marchjuly: Another editor and I removed the maintenance tags after addressing your concerns. Feel free to add them or others back if you think they are needed. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
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I've boldly this page from Christopher G. Hollins to Chris Hollins (politician) as suggested by an IP on WP:AN. As I remarked when moving the page [5], all sources I looked at seem to use Chris Hollins & the 2 Hollins are from different countries active in different fields so there does not seem to be any natural disambiguation per WP:NCPDAB and the US Hollins notability seems to come from their involvement in politics, so it seems to me to be the best disambiguation if it's needed. I felt I wasn't furthering the move war since that seems to be mostly about the primary topic with some unfortunate very poorly implemented attempts at parenthetical disambiguation that followed. My move isn't intended as commentary on the primary topic, that can be resolved via an RM if needed, instead my hope is that this will reduce any concerns about the old title and allow editors to focus on whether they want an RM to establish whether either Hollins is the primary topic. I'd note that the same outcome could likely have been achieved without all the drama by simply starting a discussion here seeking help and then looking elsewhere for feedback if no one responded. Nil Einne ( talk) 12:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
This isn't primarily on Hollins, but mentions him in the context of a "field [of] well-known names", so might be useful. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/23/amanda-edwards-houston-mayor/ It doesn't seem like we have pages on the elections, but we do also have List of mayors of Houston, which might be place to mention it. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 20:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@Iamreallygoodatcheckers at this point we should pow wow here prior to making additional changes so as to avoid an edit war. Please discuss future changes at this link prior to uploading them and I will respond promptly. ChristaJwl ( talk) 00:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
@ MrOllie: @ ChristaJwl:
ChristaJwl has found this tweet from Sylvester Turner dated to July 8, 2021 saying happy birthday to Hollins. Hollins retweeted it in thanks. Now this Houston Chronicle [1] article dated to last month says Hollins is 35, meaning he turned 35 on July 8, 2021 (assuming Turners tweet is accurate). If this is all correct Hollins was born on July 8, 1986. The reason I didn't WP:BOLDly implement this is (1) I'm concerned that the Twitter source may not be reliable for encyclopedic reasons (2) This thought process may amount to WP:OR. What do you all think? Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 04:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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Can we also talk about this interim designation. I looked at the WP Interim and Acting (law) and the definition of an interim clearly is defined as someone who is temporary. Mr. Hollins was not appointed legally on a temporary basis. Rather, he was permanently appointed and then decided not to run for the position in the next election cycle. For that reason, I would like to remove all indications of interim or at least explain the discrepancy on is page. Thoughts? ChristaJwl ( talk) 16:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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The bulk of the initial version of this article should be credited to ChristaJwl who created this draft. I used it and the sources as the basis for the initial version that is now published. Thanks for creating this article! -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)-- David Tornheim ( talk) 08:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@ BostickLaw: I added this to your talk page. You can reply at either place. I put this notice here so other editors know I am trying to address the issue:
The discussion is here: User_talk:BostickLaw#Re:_Christopher_Hollins_--_Please_slow_down -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Struck COI question per [4]. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 05:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@ BostickLaw: In this edit, I restore the language that said that the only people who could vote absentee had to be over 65. I'm pretty sure that is what the cited WP:RS said. I'm guessing you are an attorney and that you were citing law, and that those exception mentioned in the material are in the statutes or case law. But it's not in the articles cited. I have a paralegal degree and know how to perform legal research. But Wikipedia typically doesn't work like legal research. I wish I could find an essay that explains just how completely different it is here. You might try looking at WikiProject Law.
If you can provide the legal citations for what you added about exceptions other than age 65, I'll take a look. It's possible the reporters screwed it up. Was it mentioned in an online public document that is in the litigation? But it is unlikely it can go in this article unless Hollins is mentioned in WP:RS. That would be called WP:OR and/or WP:SYN.
Again what's in the article is all about what is in the WP:RS. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
@ BostickLaw: Wikipedia is not the news which means that it’s often better to wait until time has passed an secondary and independent reliable sources (as defined by WP:RS) have had to comment and interpret events than try and update articles to reflect the latest information. In addition, Wikipedia isn’t the place for us as editors to interpret things we know about the subjects of articles or to try and do our own synthesis of what we read in reliable sources, no matter our expertise on the subject matter.
The problem that I’m starting to see in this article that it seems to moving in a direction where the focus is more on the current cases Hollins is involved in and less on him as a person. The article is about him as a person, i.e. a WP:BLP; so, the effort should be being made to find more coverage in reliable sources about him outside of the cases he’s involved in; if the article starts to become too much of a WP:BLP1E so the focus is more on the cases he’s involved in than him as a person, the chance of the article being WP:DELETEd outright, or WP:MERGEd/ WP:REDIRECTed to some other related article increase.
Hollins seems to be doing some really good things and I understand they are probably important in the context of the upcoming US presidential election, but it’s not Wikipedia’s role to serve as a platform for such things. While I think your intentions are the best, Wikipedia articles are not really meant to be up-to-date timely accounts of what’s going on out in the world. Sometimes we as editors have to wait for things to be sorted out and resolved (i.e. reliable secondary sources to catch up) before we try to add content about them to Wikipedia articles. — Marchjuly ( talk) 02:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Marchjuly: Another editor and I removed the maintenance tags after addressing your concerns. Feel free to add them or others back if you think they are needed. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
The image used to identify Hollins has been nominated for deletion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Christopher Hollins.jpg. There's a bot that usually posts notifications on Wikipedia article talk pages when an Commons image being used in the article is nominated for deletion, but I'm doing so now as a courtesy just in case this one slipped through the crack and the bot missed it. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 03:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I've boldly this page from Christopher G. Hollins to Chris Hollins (politician) as suggested by an IP on WP:AN. As I remarked when moving the page [5], all sources I looked at seem to use Chris Hollins & the 2 Hollins are from different countries active in different fields so there does not seem to be any natural disambiguation per WP:NCPDAB and the US Hollins notability seems to come from their involvement in politics, so it seems to me to be the best disambiguation if it's needed. I felt I wasn't furthering the move war since that seems to be mostly about the primary topic with some unfortunate very poorly implemented attempts at parenthetical disambiguation that followed. My move isn't intended as commentary on the primary topic, that can be resolved via an RM if needed, instead my hope is that this will reduce any concerns about the old title and allow editors to focus on whether they want an RM to establish whether either Hollins is the primary topic. I'd note that the same outcome could likely have been achieved without all the drama by simply starting a discussion here seeking help and then looking elsewhere for feedback if no one responded. Nil Einne ( talk) 12:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
This isn't primarily on Hollins, but mentions him in the context of a "field [of] well-known names", so might be useful. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/23/amanda-edwards-houston-mayor/ It doesn't seem like we have pages on the elections, but we do also have List of mayors of Houston, which might be place to mention it. 109.255.211.6 ( talk) 20:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@Iamreallygoodatcheckers at this point we should pow wow here prior to making additional changes so as to avoid an edit war. Please discuss future changes at this link prior to uploading them and I will respond promptly. ChristaJwl ( talk) 00:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
@ MrOllie: @ ChristaJwl:
ChristaJwl has found this tweet from Sylvester Turner dated to July 8, 2021 saying happy birthday to Hollins. Hollins retweeted it in thanks. Now this Houston Chronicle [1] article dated to last month says Hollins is 35, meaning he turned 35 on July 8, 2021 (assuming Turners tweet is accurate). If this is all correct Hollins was born on July 8, 1986. The reason I didn't WP:BOLDly implement this is (1) I'm concerned that the Twitter source may not be reliable for encyclopedic reasons (2) This thought process may amount to WP:OR. What do you all think? Iamreallygoodatcheckers ( talk) 04:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
References
@MrOllie @Iamreallygoodatcheckers
Can we also talk about this interim designation. I looked at the WP Interim and Acting (law) and the definition of an interim clearly is defined as someone who is temporary. Mr. Hollins was not appointed legally on a temporary basis. Rather, he was permanently appointed and then decided not to run for the position in the next election cycle. For that reason, I would like to remove all indications of interim or at least explain the discrepancy on is page. Thoughts? ChristaJwl ( talk) 16:32, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
References