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I was having a cursory look at Barua_(Bangladesh) and noted the mention of a credible etymology Chaityagrama (চৈত্য গ্রাম) there Barua_(Bangladesh)#cite_ref-4 which somehow has been missed in this main article. "Chittagong was formerly known as "Chaityagrama" or "town with Buddhist shrines". This main Chittagong article has an etymology section and even a separate article on it neither mentions it!
Chaitya (চৈট্ট নয় চৈত্য) indeed is a type of buddhist shrine, and end of the same etymology section of Chittagong briefly lists alternative names that include Chaityabhumi (চৈত্য ভূমি) which makes perfect sense. Please also note that there is no Bengali page corresponding of the main Chaitya (চৈত্য) article in our Bengali wikipedia so far. Request others to please make one soon-- Dr.saptarshi ( talk) 21:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
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- In the History section there is a sentence beginning "Two years later, the Court of Directors..." Please clarify what Court of Directors you refer to. I presume you meant the Court of Directors of the British East India Company, but I will leave that to you to clarify.
- In the History section, regarding World War II, you write that the war resulted in an "unevenness in fortune". Please clarify this phrase.
- In the History section there is a sentence beginning "The first public announcement was made..." Please clarify what this was a public announcement of, as the sentence is meaningless otherwise.
- In the Administration section there is a reference to "the city's master plan." Please clarify what this plan is.
- In the Demographics section there is a reference to "A study conducted by CUS in 2005". Please expand this acronym into its full name or link the acronym to a Wikipedia page of the organization.
- In the Media section there is a sentence that reads "Nearly all televisions and radios in Bangladesh have coverage in Chittagong." Please explain what this coverage is.
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"This diverse history is reflected in the rural Chittagonian dialect of Bengali, which has a nearly 50% Arabic-origin vocabulary, as well as Persian and Portuguese loanwords.[7]"
I've checked the citation given and it only acknowledges it in a small passing mention. Is it reliable? Because I am very doubtful, especially as I have some family living in Chittagong. It may have been a personal interpretation of the author rather than an actual academic one. In my experience, it is more a dialect of Bengali with the pronunciation and spelling of words changed around. But to say that 50% of the origins is not from Bengali is unbelieveable. Is it possible for someone to get a source? Otherwise this should be deleted.
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The naming authority, Government of the People's Republic of Bangladesh changed the official name of the "Chittagong" to "Chattogram" today to make the spelling similar to Bangla pronunciation.
Reference: <
http://www.banglanews24.com/national/news/bd/645645.details>, <
https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2018/04/02/bangladesh-changes-english-spellings-of-five-districts>
Hence the article's name has changed to the new one. — T. 11:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: reverted to stable title. Please note that this sort of request can be handled through WP:RMTR. If there is a need to discuss a move to Chattogram, please initiate a new request instead of moving the page again without discussion. Dekimasu よ! 02:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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The is now officially Chattogram. So aren't we changing it Wikipedia too. Besides the original name was actually Chattogram. M. Ishmam Abdullah ( talk) 04:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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Chittagong ❌
Chattogram ✓
Chittagong is now Chattogram as Bangladesh revises English spellings
[5]
[6]
[7]
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I agree that "Chattogram" is the official name. That has never been in question.
Therealbey wrote on their talk page: Wikipedia should be updated from the Acts of official government
. That is not true; that fundamentally misunderstands what this encyclopedia is and how it works. Numerous examples demonstrate this. The Turkish government decrees that their country name should be spelled Türkiye, but Wikipedia spells it
Turkey. See explanatory essay
WP:OFFICIAL to understand why.
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Wikipedia uses the spelling "Chittagong" because it is the most commonly used one. Since the official spelling was changed six years ago, "Chattogram" has gradually gained ground. Someday it may become the most commonly used spelling. Anyone who believes it is now the most commonly used spelling is welcome to make that argument and seek a new consensus (but please stop harping on "official", that is a straw man argument).
Guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) explains in depth how to choose among names, including an entire section on establishing a widely accepted name. A few quick observations:
-- Worldbruce ( talk) 00:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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I was having a cursory look at Barua_(Bangladesh) and noted the mention of a credible etymology Chaityagrama (চৈত্য গ্রাম) there Barua_(Bangladesh)#cite_ref-4 which somehow has been missed in this main article. "Chittagong was formerly known as "Chaityagrama" or "town with Buddhist shrines". This main Chittagong article has an etymology section and even a separate article on it neither mentions it!
Chaitya (চৈট্ট নয় চৈত্য) indeed is a type of buddhist shrine, and end of the same etymology section of Chittagong briefly lists alternative names that include Chaityabhumi (চৈত্য ভূমি) which makes perfect sense. Please also note that there is no Bengali page corresponding of the main Chaitya (চৈত্য) article in our Bengali wikipedia so far. Request others to please make one soon-- Dr.saptarshi ( talk) 21:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
On 2015 June 19, the user 114.134.89.21 requested a GOCE copy edit of this article. I just completed the copy edit, and posted a few things that should be attended to before this page is nominated as a GA on the requester's talk page. However, the user is currently under a three month ban ending on 2015 August 19. In the meantime, I am posting my comments below, and if they are attended to anyone should feel free to begin a GA nomination.
I have just finished copyediting the Chittagong article, as per your GOCE request. A few comments so far:
- I removed the "Early History" subheading of the History section, as there were no other subheadings and your use of "early" covered the entire known history of the city. If you want to use subheadings, divide the section up further.
- In the History section there is a sentence beginning "Two years later, the Court of Directors..." Please clarify what Court of Directors you refer to. I presume you meant the Court of Directors of the British East India Company, but I will leave that to you to clarify.
- In the History section, regarding World War II, you write that the war resulted in an "unevenness in fortune". Please clarify this phrase.
- In the History section there is a sentence beginning "The first public announcement was made..." Please clarify what this was a public announcement of, as the sentence is meaningless otherwise.
- In the Administration section there is a reference to "the city's master plan." Please clarify what this plan is.
- In the Demographics section there is a reference to "A study conducted by CUS in 2005". Please expand this acronym into its full name or link the acronym to a Wikipedia page of the organization.
- In the Media section there is a sentence that reads "Nearly all televisions and radios in Bangladesh have coverage in Chittagong." Please explain what this coverage is.
With these suggestions in mind, you should be good to go for a GA nomination. Good luck! Hampton11235 ( talk) 18:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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"This diverse history is reflected in the rural Chittagonian dialect of Bengali, which has a nearly 50% Arabic-origin vocabulary, as well as Persian and Portuguese loanwords.[7]"
I've checked the citation given and it only acknowledges it in a small passing mention. Is it reliable? Because I am very doubtful, especially as I have some family living in Chittagong. It may have been a personal interpretation of the author rather than an actual academic one. In my experience, it is more a dialect of Bengali with the pronunciation and spelling of words changed around. But to say that 50% of the origins is not from Bengali is unbelieveable. Is it possible for someone to get a source? Otherwise this should be deleted.
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The naming authority, Government of the People's Republic of Bangladesh changed the official name of the "Chittagong" to "Chattogram" today to make the spelling similar to Bangla pronunciation.
Reference: <
http://www.banglanews24.com/national/news/bd/645645.details>, <
https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2018/04/02/bangladesh-changes-english-spellings-of-five-districts>
Hence the article's name has changed to the new one. — T. 11:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: reverted to stable title. Please note that this sort of request can be handled through WP:RMTR. If there is a need to discuss a move to Chattogram, please initiate a new request instead of moving the page again without discussion. Dekimasu よ! 02:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Chattogram →
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Bangalore and
Barrow, Alaska. This change is significantly more substantial than the other four recent changes
[1], and is of a more-prominent location.
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The is now officially Chattogram. So aren't we changing it Wikipedia too. Besides the original name was actually Chattogram. M. Ishmam Abdullah ( talk) 04:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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Bangladesh doctor that is rich 105.113.10.66 ( talk) 15:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Chittagong ❌
Chattogram ✓
Chittagong is now Chattogram as Bangladesh revises English spellings
[5]
[6]
[7]
[8] ~ @
Worldbruce@
Therealbey
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I agree that "Chattogram" is the official name. That has never been in question.
Therealbey wrote on their talk page: Wikipedia should be updated from the Acts of official government
. That is not true; that fundamentally misunderstands what this encyclopedia is and how it works. Numerous examples demonstrate this. The Turkish government decrees that their country name should be spelled Türkiye, but Wikipedia spells it
Turkey. See explanatory essay
WP:OFFICIAL to understand why.
Policy Wikipedia:Article titles states under WP:COMMONNAME:
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources).
Wikipedia uses the spelling "Chittagong" because it is the most commonly used one. Since the official spelling was changed six years ago, "Chattogram" has gradually gained ground. Someday it may become the most commonly used spelling. Anyone who believes it is now the most commonly used spelling is welcome to make that argument and seek a new consensus (but please stop harping on "official", that is a straw man argument).
Guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) explains in depth how to choose among names, including an entire section on establishing a widely accepted name. A few quick observations:
-- Worldbruce ( talk) 00:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)