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If you are going to propose that this page be moved to "Chinese Burmese" or something (a move which I would oppose), please join this discussion on naming conventions which I have initiated. We want to avoid having the same debate about "ethnic group name first or country name first" on every single talk page relating to ethnic groups living outside their ancestral countries. Thank you in advance. cab 10:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 11:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 11:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Chinese people in Burma →
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Any suggestions? Can other readers here help us to write clearer guidelines regarding this to avoid having to repeat the same debate on every single ethnicity page? cab 04:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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I was looking at "Trade and Industry Section", and the tone comes across as rather anti-Chinese, hence violating the NPOV policy? Is it possible to fix it somehow. I think it's fine to say that the ethnic Chinese have a disproportionate economic clout relative to their population, and that it has caused resentment among the indigenous peoples, but the section goes on towards blaming the ethnic Chinese for the poverty in other ethnic groups, which I think can come across as rather bigoted. After all, it is very similar rhetoric that Hitler against the Jews, and we all know what happened as a result of that. The dog2 ( talk) 05:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
CCP trolls are adding Han Chauvinist content to the article, often copying verbatim from books like Bamboo Network. JordanKSM ( talk) 23:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
It's settled that Ne Win is not a Chinese for so long. User:Yue has been trying to revert to an old version and removed my edits about KMT invasion of Burma. JordanKSM ( talk) 10:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
The "trade and industry" is a eulogy about "how great our race is" or "how superior we are to the Burmans" style BS. Many sentences copy the source without attributions. I think it might be appropriate for Chinese Wikipedia, but definitely not WP:MOS and not WP:DUE. JordanKSM ( talk) 10:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
The whole section cheery-picks and exaggerates sources that are themselves not based on specialists on Burma. No researchers specializing in Burmese history would argue "the Chinese dominate Burmese economy." Even in Mandalay, many researchers have pointed out that Chinese influence is highly exaggerated. The whole section is irredeemable. Super-long paragraphs that repeat essentially the same thing. Seem to me the author was motivated by showcasing "How great we are!" instead of delivering content to the readers. JordanKSM ( talk) 22:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It appears that User:SimeonManier is a WP:DUCK sock of User:Backendgaming. He's restoring the "Trade and Industry" sections in all articles about "Chinese in X"; the sections are basically a racist rant against whichever country the Chinese reside in. The "Trade and Industry" section here is an exact replica of Hoa_people#Trade_and_industry with the same sources (Yos Santasombat, Amy Chua, etc., not a single specialist from the said country is included) and with the same unreadable massive paragraphs. JordanKSM ( talk) 04:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Basically, he read three books, and every single sentence from those books has been rewritten into massive Wikipedia sections. JordanKSM ( talk) 05:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
It should be noted that User:Backendgaming is a massive sockpuppeter with dozens of accounts in his name. See: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Backendgaming. JordanKSM ( talk) 05:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Another replica is Laotian_Chinese#Trade_and_industry which starts with, "Chinese dominate all sectors of Laos!" The section has been removed and readded by socks of Backendgamging again and again. JordanKSM ( talk) 05:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I've gone through the section to try and remove much of the more obvious cleanup issues based on WP:CITEKILL, NPOV and duplciate/contradictory information. Unfortunately, I can't access many of the sources used to verify and remove much of the remaining information. Right now, I believe that it's a matter of content and want to open it up for comment here.
The section still relies heavily on a few sources and is still incredibly long and needs to be condensed/moved to an separate dedicated article. Specifically, there are a few paragraphs that are just lists of businesses Sino-Burmese run/own. Furthermore, the section is very vague between Chinese (the government) business/trade/industry and Chinese (ethnically) business/trade/industry. The two are linked but not identical. EmeraldRange ( talk/ contribs) 16:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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If you are going to propose that this page be moved to "Chinese Burmese" or something (a move which I would oppose), please join this discussion on naming conventions which I have initiated. We want to avoid having the same debate about "ethnic group name first or country name first" on every single talk page relating to ethnic groups living outside their ancestral countries. Thank you in advance. cab 10:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 11:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 11:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Chinese people in Burma →
Burmese Chinese — No precedence for naming articles "Chinese people in..." for articles about overseas Chinese (see
Chinese Thai,
Chinese Malaysian, etc.). Title is unnecessarily wordy and not concise. --
Hintha(
t)
06:28, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Any suggestions? Can other readers here help us to write clearer guidelines regarding this to avoid having to repeat the same debate on every single ethnicity page? cab 04:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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I was looking at "Trade and Industry Section", and the tone comes across as rather anti-Chinese, hence violating the NPOV policy? Is it possible to fix it somehow. I think it's fine to say that the ethnic Chinese have a disproportionate economic clout relative to their population, and that it has caused resentment among the indigenous peoples, but the section goes on towards blaming the ethnic Chinese for the poverty in other ethnic groups, which I think can come across as rather bigoted. After all, it is very similar rhetoric that Hitler against the Jews, and we all know what happened as a result of that. The dog2 ( talk) 05:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
CCP trolls are adding Han Chauvinist content to the article, often copying verbatim from books like Bamboo Network. JordanKSM ( talk) 23:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
It's settled that Ne Win is not a Chinese for so long. User:Yue has been trying to revert to an old version and removed my edits about KMT invasion of Burma. JordanKSM ( talk) 10:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
The "trade and industry" is a eulogy about "how great our race is" or "how superior we are to the Burmans" style BS. Many sentences copy the source without attributions. I think it might be appropriate for Chinese Wikipedia, but definitely not WP:MOS and not WP:DUE. JordanKSM ( talk) 10:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
The whole section cheery-picks and exaggerates sources that are themselves not based on specialists on Burma. No researchers specializing in Burmese history would argue "the Chinese dominate Burmese economy." Even in Mandalay, many researchers have pointed out that Chinese influence is highly exaggerated. The whole section is irredeemable. Super-long paragraphs that repeat essentially the same thing. Seem to me the author was motivated by showcasing "How great we are!" instead of delivering content to the readers. JordanKSM ( talk) 22:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It appears that User:SimeonManier is a WP:DUCK sock of User:Backendgaming. He's restoring the "Trade and Industry" sections in all articles about "Chinese in X"; the sections are basically a racist rant against whichever country the Chinese reside in. The "Trade and Industry" section here is an exact replica of Hoa_people#Trade_and_industry with the same sources (Yos Santasombat, Amy Chua, etc., not a single specialist from the said country is included) and with the same unreadable massive paragraphs. JordanKSM ( talk) 04:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Basically, he read three books, and every single sentence from those books has been rewritten into massive Wikipedia sections. JordanKSM ( talk) 05:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
It should be noted that User:Backendgaming is a massive sockpuppeter with dozens of accounts in his name. See: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Backendgaming. JordanKSM ( talk) 05:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Another replica is Laotian_Chinese#Trade_and_industry which starts with, "Chinese dominate all sectors of Laos!" The section has been removed and readded by socks of Backendgamging again and again. JordanKSM ( talk) 05:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
I've gone through the section to try and remove much of the more obvious cleanup issues based on WP:CITEKILL, NPOV and duplciate/contradictory information. Unfortunately, I can't access many of the sources used to verify and remove much of the remaining information. Right now, I believe that it's a matter of content and want to open it up for comment here.
The section still relies heavily on a few sources and is still incredibly long and needs to be condensed/moved to an separate dedicated article. Specifically, there are a few paragraphs that are just lists of businesses Sino-Burmese run/own. Furthermore, the section is very vague between Chinese (the government) business/trade/industry and Chinese (ethnically) business/trade/industry. The two are linked but not identical. EmeraldRange ( talk/ contribs) 16:27, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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