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The article references that during the Han dynasty there was a 10-day week with washings every fifth day. Where are the names of these 10 days? What is the order of the week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.9.163 ( talk) 16:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
I just undid this addition to the lede. Can someone who understands it condense it to a less choppy sentence or two? — Tamfang ( talk) 20:04, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Correct all instances of "lunar" to "lunisolar" Kylinki ( talk) 17:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
This article is missing information about publications from astronomical
(南京紫金山天文台 in PRC, 國立中央研究院天文研究所 in the ROC);
2033 problem due to Shíxiàn changes; ROC revisions leading up to 1929 紫金曆 system, on which Taiwanese and Chinese standards are currently based on. (February 2021) |
Dcattell ( talk) 00:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Before getting too much into specifics, the better part of wisdom seems to suggest an attempt to try to improve the organization of this article, and perhaps to better define the focus of the article -- which frankly appears a bit all over the place. I think one of the challenges here is balancing the technical and mathematical details (which are indeed of encyclopedic interest) along with an discussion which is more useful to encyclopedia users who are less specialized in their interests. Also, looking through the past discussion on this page, obviously people have put a lot of passionate work into developing it, which is good; however reading it makes me feel as though I want a bit more of an explicit definition of the scope of the article. Dcattell ( talk) 22:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
{{
unfocused}}
if I've seen one. I'm starting to think about moving it to
Chinese lunisolar calendars, splitting
Chinese solar calendars into their own article, and also
Modern Chinese horology to boot. In fact, I'll be bold and suggest the split myself.
Remsense
聊
05:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)I think this article has at least three focused articles in it:
The final article might seem a bit narrow, but I think it's self sustaining. Remsense 聊 06:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Since ".
This depicts a tree structure version of the Chinese calendars category space:
Here are the trees for the remaining current transcluded categories:
Chinese culture
These may be useful for considering in terms of organizing, such as creating new articles, and getting an overall view of this editorial space. Dcattell ( talk) 19:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Remsense, my plan right now is to keep chugging along with evaluating our (Wikipedia's) "Chinese calendar article. At this point I would like to take some time to evaluate the references already present, as well as to consult some others. And, to add some references, and to modify the article accordingly. This may only result in small incremental changes over a not so quick period of time. Also, there is a lot to look at in terms of what existing articles we have already. Anyway, I am not sure about how a history article fits into this schema. In fact, I am convinced that if you develop the "Chinese lunisolar calendars", "Chinese solar calendars", and "Modern Chinese horology" that our work here will be immeasurably enhanced. As far as "History of the Chinese calendar" article or whatever other articles may be developed down the road in the future, it's too hard to tell right now; however, as things go along they will get clearer (with each article that you do!).
Hi @Folly Mox, thank you for so helpfully chiming in to the talk messages here. I am sincerely hoping that you can stay in tune and help out even more in the near future as we work on this article! I am especially struck by your detailed historical points about the different dynasties and characteristics of their calendars. You mention the planet Jupiter. Just quickly looking through what we have on Wikipedia about Chinese cultural views about planets, especially Jupiter in this context, it seems that this an area which could use very more work on Wikipedia, in general. Also, the point about astronomy, astrology, and the role of government scribes (史) is well taken: indeed, this seems to open up some big new areas for this article which must be considered.
Hi @172.223.218.81, descriptive mathematics and working them up into tables are very valuable and essential contributions to our articles. I generally agree with you that a "reader looking up 'Chinese Calender' wants an orderly mechanical overview, index, or gateway, a 'how to', without having to click around to assemble the pieces." This can be done, probably not quickly and easily; but, definitely done steadily ad methodically. I also agree with your follow up comment about us Wikipedia users: "After they have been drawn in they will want to link to other articles to expand their depth of understanding on meaning, history, philosophy, and metaphysics." Much of this can be accomplished by appropriately linking to existing areas of Wikipedia, which may not be so hard, contributing together. I do not know if 172.223.218.81 is a permanent IP address for you. Have you considered registering as an editor on Wikipedia and creating a user page, since this may be helpful in interacting with other editors?
Thanks team!
Dcattell ( talk) 23:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
It has been suggested that cultural marxism seeks to redefine truth to hide the uncomfortable past. I'd be careful to keep copies, so God, Lucifer, and Karma can compare to the original original, which contrary to popular opinion was the first version, not the latest scrubbing. Happy Karma! 180.254.66.149 ( talk) 11:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
26 june age 26 2409:4051:184:F492:18E9:7F06:B37C:32B2 ( talk) 07:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
This article is missing information about Improvement across dynasties, especially on ways to mitigate accumulation in error and calculation of leap months placement, and respective situation as adapted across the East Asia outside China, as well as political implication of the various calendar systems, together with history on changes of which month being start of a year.(February 2022) |
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
The article references that during the Han dynasty there was a 10-day week with washings every fifth day. Where are the names of these 10 days? What is the order of the week. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.134.9.163 ( talk) 16:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
I just undid this addition to the lede. Can someone who understands it condense it to a less choppy sentence or two? — Tamfang ( talk) 20:04, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
Correct all instances of "lunar" to "lunisolar" Kylinki ( talk) 17:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
This article is missing information about publications from astronomical
(南京紫金山天文台 in PRC, 國立中央研究院天文研究所 in the ROC);
2033 problem due to Shíxiàn changes; ROC revisions leading up to 1929 紫金曆 system, on which Taiwanese and Chinese standards are currently based on. (February 2021) |
Dcattell ( talk) 00:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Before getting too much into specifics, the better part of wisdom seems to suggest an attempt to try to improve the organization of this article, and perhaps to better define the focus of the article -- which frankly appears a bit all over the place. I think one of the challenges here is balancing the technical and mathematical details (which are indeed of encyclopedic interest) along with an discussion which is more useful to encyclopedia users who are less specialized in their interests. Also, looking through the past discussion on this page, obviously people have put a lot of passionate work into developing it, which is good; however reading it makes me feel as though I want a bit more of an explicit definition of the scope of the article. Dcattell ( talk) 22:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
{{
unfocused}}
if I've seen one. I'm starting to think about moving it to
Chinese lunisolar calendars, splitting
Chinese solar calendars into their own article, and also
Modern Chinese horology to boot. In fact, I'll be bold and suggest the split myself.
Remsense
聊
05:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)I think this article has at least three focused articles in it:
The final article might seem a bit narrow, but I think it's self sustaining. Remsense 聊 06:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Since ".
This depicts a tree structure version of the Chinese calendars category space:
Here are the trees for the remaining current transcluded categories:
Chinese culture
These may be useful for considering in terms of organizing, such as creating new articles, and getting an overall view of this editorial space. Dcattell ( talk) 19:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Remsense, my plan right now is to keep chugging along with evaluating our (Wikipedia's) "Chinese calendar article. At this point I would like to take some time to evaluate the references already present, as well as to consult some others. And, to add some references, and to modify the article accordingly. This may only result in small incremental changes over a not so quick period of time. Also, there is a lot to look at in terms of what existing articles we have already. Anyway, I am not sure about how a history article fits into this schema. In fact, I am convinced that if you develop the "Chinese lunisolar calendars", "Chinese solar calendars", and "Modern Chinese horology" that our work here will be immeasurably enhanced. As far as "History of the Chinese calendar" article or whatever other articles may be developed down the road in the future, it's too hard to tell right now; however, as things go along they will get clearer (with each article that you do!).
Hi @Folly Mox, thank you for so helpfully chiming in to the talk messages here. I am sincerely hoping that you can stay in tune and help out even more in the near future as we work on this article! I am especially struck by your detailed historical points about the different dynasties and characteristics of their calendars. You mention the planet Jupiter. Just quickly looking through what we have on Wikipedia about Chinese cultural views about planets, especially Jupiter in this context, it seems that this an area which could use very more work on Wikipedia, in general. Also, the point about astronomy, astrology, and the role of government scribes (史) is well taken: indeed, this seems to open up some big new areas for this article which must be considered.
Hi @172.223.218.81, descriptive mathematics and working them up into tables are very valuable and essential contributions to our articles. I generally agree with you that a "reader looking up 'Chinese Calender' wants an orderly mechanical overview, index, or gateway, a 'how to', without having to click around to assemble the pieces." This can be done, probably not quickly and easily; but, definitely done steadily ad methodically. I also agree with your follow up comment about us Wikipedia users: "After they have been drawn in they will want to link to other articles to expand their depth of understanding on meaning, history, philosophy, and metaphysics." Much of this can be accomplished by appropriately linking to existing areas of Wikipedia, which may not be so hard, contributing together. I do not know if 172.223.218.81 is a permanent IP address for you. Have you considered registering as an editor on Wikipedia and creating a user page, since this may be helpful in interacting with other editors?
Thanks team!
Dcattell ( talk) 23:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
It has been suggested that cultural marxism seeks to redefine truth to hide the uncomfortable past. I'd be careful to keep copies, so God, Lucifer, and Karma can compare to the original original, which contrary to popular opinion was the first version, not the latest scrubbing. Happy Karma! 180.254.66.149 ( talk) 11:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
26 june age 26 2409:4051:184:F492:18E9:7F06:B37C:32B2 ( talk) 07:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
This article is missing information about Improvement across dynasties, especially on ways to mitigate accumulation in error and calculation of leap months placement, and respective situation as adapted across the East Asia outside China, as well as political implication of the various calendar systems, together with history on changes of which month being start of a year.(February 2022) |