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It's impossible for the 2004 Olympic team to have included major leaguers. Major league teams did not let their players go to Athens.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.92.19.73 ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 2 March 2006.
Response to first thing: This is the WBC roster. Also, is it neccessary to put their names in Chinese/—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smartyshoe ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 3 March 2006.
The Japanese Professional Baseball League isn't called "JPB".It's called "NPB"(Nippon Professional Baseball).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.117.195.196 ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 June 2006.
I think the name of the article should not have been changed into Taiwan, but should still be Chinese Taipei as that is the official name used in international sports competitions. All sports related articles considering Taiwan exist on Wikipedia as Chinese Taipei (click the link to find out why). I suggest to rename it back to what it was. SportsAddicted | discuss 22:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I have moved this page back to Taiwan National Baseball Team because I believe that we should have consensus before making moves like this, and I am not sure that we do. (I personally believe that it should be moved to the official name, but my personal belief is less important than consensus.) Please, what do people think? Should we use the official name, which does seem to be the most commonly used name, at least according to Google? Remember that there will still be a redirect from Taiwan National Baseball Team. Regards, Ben Aveling 18:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, let me explain some of my restructing:
Good work on the article! AQu01rius ( User • Talk) 04:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe this article should be a part of WikiProject China as this has nothing to do with China. ludahai 魯大海 14:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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The official name of the team in english is "chinese taipei". If u check the official site, there is not any reference (in the name) to "taiwan", "national taiwan" or else. If u take a look at the official logo, u will see "CT", that stand for "chinese taipei" The IOC decission allowed taiwan to re-join under the name of "chinese taipei". "National taiwan baseball team" could be added in the "name controversy" section. When we talk about ROC-Taiwan, the main name of the article is not taiwan, but "Republic of China", because thats the official name. We dont talk about "Chunghwa post" anymore, because the official name of that company is now "taiwan post". In the article about "taiwan post", the main title is, effectively, "taiwan post". You could check FIFA too: no references to "taiwan", but "chinese taipei". In the chinese version of the baseball team, we read 中華成棒隊. How do you translate that? SO PLEASE, USE THE OFFICIAL NAME TO NAME THE WHOLE ARTICLE-- User:gumuhua 22:55, 2008-07-24
Some definitions:
nation 1 a (1): nationality 5a (2): a politically organized nationality (3): a non-Jewish nationality <why do the nations conspire — Psalms 2:1 (Revised Standard Version)> b: a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government c: a territorial division containing a body of people of one or more nationalities and usually characterized by relatively large size and independent status
country 1: an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : region <miles of open country>2 a: the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship b: a political state or nation or its territory
state 5 a: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign b: the political organization of such a body of people c: a government or politically organized society having a particular character <a police state> <the welfare state>6: the operations or concerns of the government of a country Readin ( talk) 20:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing as "Taiwan national baseball team". If someone insists that this article isn't just about the Chinese Taipei team then we change the name of this article to "National baseball team of the Republic of China" - this is what the team in called in Chinese "中華民國棒球國家隊".
When I read the article, the national status is so confusing:-
Look at the official website:-
The Chinese says "Baseball Association of the Republic of China" and the English just says "Chinese Taipei Baseball Association".
I think we should just change this article to "Chinese Taipei baseball team". Baseball is not about politics. Don't make it one.-- pyl ( talk) 16:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Due to the lack of objections (as this discussion has been here for a while), I proceeded to change the title of the article for uniformity, neutrality and reader friendliness. It is easier for common English readers (Wikipedia's main audience) to understand the information rather than confused by the off-the-topic ideological arguments. The team is commonly known as Chinese Taipei internationally and using this name is not a POV in terms of the political status of Taiwan-- pyl ( talk) 15:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Chinese Taipei baseball team → Taiwan national baseball team —
I hereby propose a move back to the original "Taiwan national baseball team" title of this page. The main reason that people were saying "national" couldn't be part of the name was the claim that Taiwan isn't a nation. While the political status of Taiwan is still disputed, so is that of Hong Kong and that of Palestine.
However, the Palestine national football team and Hong Kong national baseball team pages exist without any dispute, so I don't see why the Taiwanese baseball team, which is much more prominent and well-known in the sports world than the other two teams can't be called a "national" team.
Second, according to basic naming conventions of Wikipedia pages, articles should be named using the common name of the subject over the official name. Right now, the name of the article is neither an official name nor a common name. It should be noted that while "Chinese Taipei" is currently the official designated name used by the ROC (Taiwan), the "Chinese Taipei baseball team" isn't used.
The Baseball WikiProject set a precedent of using "national baseball team" as the basic format of naming similar articles, and Taiwan is the only article currently not following the format. I could live with "Chinese Taipei national baseball team" (which actually has more ghits than the current name), even though the article contains information about the same team that played under other names, which would make "Taiwan national baseball team" a more appropriate name.-- Jerrch 21:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
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It's impossible for the 2004 Olympic team to have included major leaguers. Major league teams did not let their players go to Athens.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.92.19.73 ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 2 March 2006.
Response to first thing: This is the WBC roster. Also, is it neccessary to put their names in Chinese/—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smartyshoe ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 3 March 2006.
The Japanese Professional Baseball League isn't called "JPB".It's called "NPB"(Nippon Professional Baseball).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.117.195.196 ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 19 June 2006.
I think the name of the article should not have been changed into Taiwan, but should still be Chinese Taipei as that is the official name used in international sports competitions. All sports related articles considering Taiwan exist on Wikipedia as Chinese Taipei (click the link to find out why). I suggest to rename it back to what it was. SportsAddicted | discuss 22:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I have moved this page back to Taiwan National Baseball Team because I believe that we should have consensus before making moves like this, and I am not sure that we do. (I personally believe that it should be moved to the official name, but my personal belief is less important than consensus.) Please, what do people think? Should we use the official name, which does seem to be the most commonly used name, at least according to Google? Remember that there will still be a redirect from Taiwan National Baseball Team. Regards, Ben Aveling 18:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, let me explain some of my restructing:
Good work on the article! AQu01rius ( User • Talk) 04:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe this article should be a part of WikiProject China as this has nothing to do with China. ludahai 魯大海 14:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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The official name of the team in english is "chinese taipei". If u check the official site, there is not any reference (in the name) to "taiwan", "national taiwan" or else. If u take a look at the official logo, u will see "CT", that stand for "chinese taipei" The IOC decission allowed taiwan to re-join under the name of "chinese taipei". "National taiwan baseball team" could be added in the "name controversy" section. When we talk about ROC-Taiwan, the main name of the article is not taiwan, but "Republic of China", because thats the official name. We dont talk about "Chunghwa post" anymore, because the official name of that company is now "taiwan post". In the article about "taiwan post", the main title is, effectively, "taiwan post". You could check FIFA too: no references to "taiwan", but "chinese taipei". In the chinese version of the baseball team, we read 中華成棒隊. How do you translate that? SO PLEASE, USE THE OFFICIAL NAME TO NAME THE WHOLE ARTICLE-- User:gumuhua 22:55, 2008-07-24
Some definitions:
nation 1 a (1): nationality 5a (2): a politically organized nationality (3): a non-Jewish nationality <why do the nations conspire — Psalms 2:1 (Revised Standard Version)> b: a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government c: a territorial division containing a body of people of one or more nationalities and usually characterized by relatively large size and independent status
country 1: an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : region <miles of open country>2 a: the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship b: a political state or nation or its territory
state 5 a: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign b: the political organization of such a body of people c: a government or politically organized society having a particular character <a police state> <the welfare state>6: the operations or concerns of the government of a country Readin ( talk) 20:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing as "Taiwan national baseball team". If someone insists that this article isn't just about the Chinese Taipei team then we change the name of this article to "National baseball team of the Republic of China" - this is what the team in called in Chinese "中華民國棒球國家隊".
When I read the article, the national status is so confusing:-
Look at the official website:-
The Chinese says "Baseball Association of the Republic of China" and the English just says "Chinese Taipei Baseball Association".
I think we should just change this article to "Chinese Taipei baseball team". Baseball is not about politics. Don't make it one.-- pyl ( talk) 16:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Due to the lack of objections (as this discussion has been here for a while), I proceeded to change the title of the article for uniformity, neutrality and reader friendliness. It is easier for common English readers (Wikipedia's main audience) to understand the information rather than confused by the off-the-topic ideological arguments. The team is commonly known as Chinese Taipei internationally and using this name is not a POV in terms of the political status of Taiwan-- pyl ( talk) 15:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Chinese Taipei baseball team → Taiwan national baseball team —
I hereby propose a move back to the original "Taiwan national baseball team" title of this page. The main reason that people were saying "national" couldn't be part of the name was the claim that Taiwan isn't a nation. While the political status of Taiwan is still disputed, so is that of Hong Kong and that of Palestine.
However, the Palestine national football team and Hong Kong national baseball team pages exist without any dispute, so I don't see why the Taiwanese baseball team, which is much more prominent and well-known in the sports world than the other two teams can't be called a "national" team.
Second, according to basic naming conventions of Wikipedia pages, articles should be named using the common name of the subject over the official name. Right now, the name of the article is neither an official name nor a common name. It should be noted that while "Chinese Taipei" is currently the official designated name used by the ROC (Taiwan), the "Chinese Taipei baseball team" isn't used.
The Baseball WikiProject set a precedent of using "national baseball team" as the basic format of naming similar articles, and Taiwan is the only article currently not following the format. I could live with "Chinese Taipei national baseball team" (which actually has more ghits than the current name), even though the article contains information about the same team that played under other names, which would make "Taiwan national baseball team" a more appropriate name.-- Jerrch 21:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
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