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I think there should be a few basic musicians and artists of the genre to keep it from getting out of hand since the genre is more of a blanket term that a lot of people have included certain artists that don't fit the description of most other artists who were grouped in with it. Ya? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.234.44.122 ( talk) 17:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
if this genre exists, lenny kravitz is directly the inventor of the genre, you just need to hear some old lenny kravitz records to know it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvzLcyXGB4w just a sample, but all his first records are really near toro Y moi
Chillwave should definitely kept.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/03/13/is-chillwave-the-next-big-music-trend/tab/article/ http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/nyt-drops-term-chillwave-one-most-relevant-interesting-listenable-music-genres/ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/arts/music/22sxsw2.html
Night bus is more trillwave than chillwave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.9.162 ( talk) 19:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
why is there no mention of hipster runoff here? that seems like almost an insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.47.86 ( talk) 04:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Why capitalize chillwave? There are confusing double standards for spacing and capitalization amongst waves. For example, ethereal wave is almost never capitalized. Dark Wave assumes New Wave's capitalized standard, but I have to think erroneously. New Wave earns its caps based I guess on representing much more than a musical genre. Presumably for the same reason Bronze Age is capitalized. Pixel Eater ( talk) 03:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems this genre was the subject of the latest South Park episode, referring to it as "tween wave". If so, I think that deserves a popular culture section in this article. — Darxus ( talk) 15:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC) Phil Thomas Katt
That was about dubstep — Preceding unsigned comment added by BROBAFETT ( talk • contribs) 02:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Who is this guy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.23.84 ( talk) 22:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
What?? I thought it was quite obvious that it was talking about the lowering age of Walt Disney pop artists... such as One Direction and Justin Beiber. You know, the ones that are marketed towards "tweens." So, no. That Southpark episode was about pop music, not dubstep or chillwave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B006:4FD0:0:2D:4E09:7001 ( talk) 16:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be prudent to reconsider the position this article presents on Glo-Fi, which (in my opinion) is distinct from Chillwave. The Pitchfork review simply states that the term is "useful", and only as it pertains to Washed Out. They are referring to an individual artist, NOT an entire genre. I will attempt to find some references to back my argument. StillHere83 ( talk) 16:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
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vaporware subsequently derived from chillwave: "evolved" might be a better word choice than "derived".
Chillwave is one of the first genres to formulate online: The source has "form" instead of "formulate", which is a problem as "formulate" doesn't mean the same thing. How about "Chillwave was one of the first genres to acquire an identity online"?
On chillwave's bedroom pop precursors: what does this mean? Does "on" mean "discussing"? If so I'd use "discussing" or a similar word to make it clearer.
The movement's vanguard was represented by: why "represented"? I think it would be simpler to just say "Neon Indian (Alan Palomo), Washed Out (Ernest Greene), and Toro y Moi (Chaz Bundick) were the vanguard of the chillwave movement".
All three were one-man acts from the Southern U.S, while the last two were acquaintances and collaborators: it took me a while to realize that this means Greene and Bundick were acquaintances and collaborators. Suggest saying it that way; it would be much clearer to the reader.
The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson, who had been compared to Animal Collective, were mentioned as a "looming figure" t: some confusion here. Is it Brian Wilson or The Beach Boys that were compared to Animal Collective? And which one is the subject of mentioned? It seems to be The Beach Boys, because you use "were", not "was", but then you have "a" looming figure, not looming figures. Can you clarify?
One of its many descriptions that were leveled by online forums: I don't know what "leveled" means here.
Generally the prose is not great, but it's serviceable. The biggest problem with the article is the overuse of quotes. Take a look at this; it's a version of the article with all the quotes bolded. The ratio of quote text to article text should be much less. I think it'll be fairly time consuming to fix this, and I'm not sure it can be done in the timeframe for a GA review, but I'll place the article on hold and let you respond. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 14:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Done everything except what I've responded to. If need be I can try trimming more of the quotes over the next couple of days. --
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Most of the points above are struck; there are one or two minor things left plus the two sources I asked about. However, I feel there are still far too many quotes. Here is another version of the current article with the quotes bolded. You can make a case for plenty of quotes in a reception section (though see WP:RECEPTION for some advice about how to handle quotes), but the other sections are overloaded. I think that outside the reception section the quotes should be cut in half at least. We can say what the quotes say in our own words; quotes are for illustration.
If you disagree, I suggest we mark this review as needing a second opinion and see what another editor says. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Restating the question for whoever picks it up, the question is: how much do we need to reduce quotes to make this acceptable for GA? I feel at least half the quotes need to be cut and replaced by narrative text. See this recent version, which has most (but not all) quotes highlighted, to get an idea of how many quotes there are. (There are more quotes in the lead and in the sound file captions.) Ilovetopaint, please make the case for retaining them, so the second opinion editor can get your side of this. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 15:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Second opinion - First, thanks for the link that bolded the material, making this question much easier to look at. In a quick count, it looks like 935 of the article's 2615 words are quoted material. That's about 36%, which is pretty high. Earwig shows hits over 45%, with the highest at 54. I've passed a small number of articles that were in this range. but at least one of those was later questioned by a third party. I would say that it's acceptable for GA, but that the article would be better if more of the quotes were paraphrased. Argento Surfer ( talk) 16:34, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
About 5-6 years ago, around the peak of the synthwave genre, a calmer, less 80s/retro-influenced variant of it developed called chillwave or chillsynth. It's a type of synthwave with vaporwave and dream pop elements, as well as atmospheres reminiscent of Tycho's music. YouTube channels like Odysseus, Astral Throb and Electronic Gems upload songs and playlists from that genre, and it's represented by artists like Hotel Pools, Krosia, Home, and A.L.I.S.O.N. Some examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] While often it's just called synthwave due to belonging to that umbrella of genres, or chillsynth, more often than not it's referred to as chillwave on YouTube, Spotify playlists etc. as well by the artists themselves, with a lot of fans not aware of the original late 2000s dream pop microgenre this article is about. Is it worth mentioning this alternate use of the term "chillwave" in this article? 2001:7E8:C00E:D600:D54F:6F57:3DE5:370E ( talk) 11:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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I think there should be a few basic musicians and artists of the genre to keep it from getting out of hand since the genre is more of a blanket term that a lot of people have included certain artists that don't fit the description of most other artists who were grouped in with it. Ya? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.234.44.122 ( talk) 17:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
if this genre exists, lenny kravitz is directly the inventor of the genre, you just need to hear some old lenny kravitz records to know it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvzLcyXGB4w just a sample, but all his first records are really near toro Y moi
Chillwave should definitely kept.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/03/13/is-chillwave-the-next-big-music-trend/tab/article/ http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/nyt-drops-term-chillwave-one-most-relevant-interesting-listenable-music-genres/ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/arts/music/22sxsw2.html
Night bus is more trillwave than chillwave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.9.162 ( talk) 19:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
why is there no mention of hipster runoff here? that seems like almost an insult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.47.86 ( talk) 04:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Why capitalize chillwave? There are confusing double standards for spacing and capitalization amongst waves. For example, ethereal wave is almost never capitalized. Dark Wave assumes New Wave's capitalized standard, but I have to think erroneously. New Wave earns its caps based I guess on representing much more than a musical genre. Presumably for the same reason Bronze Age is capitalized. Pixel Eater ( talk) 03:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems this genre was the subject of the latest South Park episode, referring to it as "tween wave". If so, I think that deserves a popular culture section in this article. — Darxus ( talk) 15:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC) Phil Thomas Katt
That was about dubstep — Preceding unsigned comment added by BROBAFETT ( talk • contribs) 02:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Who is this guy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.23.84 ( talk) 22:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
What?? I thought it was quite obvious that it was talking about the lowering age of Walt Disney pop artists... such as One Direction and Justin Beiber. You know, the ones that are marketed towards "tweens." So, no. That Southpark episode was about pop music, not dubstep or chillwave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B006:4FD0:0:2D:4E09:7001 ( talk) 16:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I think it would be prudent to reconsider the position this article presents on Glo-Fi, which (in my opinion) is distinct from Chillwave. The Pitchfork review simply states that the term is "useful", and only as it pertains to Washed Out. They are referring to an individual artist, NOT an entire genre. I will attempt to find some references to back my argument. StillHere83 ( talk) 16:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
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I'll copyedit as I go through the article; please revert if I screw anything up.
It is also common for the lead image to be representative because it provides a visual association for the topic, and allow readers to quickly assess if they have arrived at the right page.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 18:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
vaporware subsequently derived from chillwave: "evolved" might be a better word choice than "derived".
Chillwave is one of the first genres to formulate online: The source has "form" instead of "formulate", which is a problem as "formulate" doesn't mean the same thing. How about "Chillwave was one of the first genres to acquire an identity online"?
On chillwave's bedroom pop precursors: what does this mean? Does "on" mean "discussing"? If so I'd use "discussing" or a similar word to make it clearer.
The movement's vanguard was represented by: why "represented"? I think it would be simpler to just say "Neon Indian (Alan Palomo), Washed Out (Ernest Greene), and Toro y Moi (Chaz Bundick) were the vanguard of the chillwave movement".
All three were one-man acts from the Southern U.S, while the last two were acquaintances and collaborators: it took me a while to realize that this means Greene and Bundick were acquaintances and collaborators. Suggest saying it that way; it would be much clearer to the reader.
The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson, who had been compared to Animal Collective, were mentioned as a "looming figure" t: some confusion here. Is it Brian Wilson or The Beach Boys that were compared to Animal Collective? And which one is the subject of mentioned? It seems to be The Beach Boys, because you use "were", not "was", but then you have "a" looming figure, not looming figures. Can you clarify?
One of its many descriptions that were leveled by online forums: I don't know what "leveled" means here.
Generally the prose is not great, but it's serviceable. The biggest problem with the article is the overuse of quotes. Take a look at this; it's a version of the article with all the quotes bolded. The ratio of quote text to article text should be much less. I think it'll be fairly time consuming to fix this, and I'm not sure it can be done in the timeframe for a GA review, but I'll place the article on hold and let you respond. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 14:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Done everything except what I've responded to. If need be I can try trimming more of the quotes over the next couple of days. --
Ilovetopaint (
talk)
18:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Most of the points above are struck; there are one or two minor things left plus the two sources I asked about. However, I feel there are still far too many quotes. Here is another version of the current article with the quotes bolded. You can make a case for plenty of quotes in a reception section (though see WP:RECEPTION for some advice about how to handle quotes), but the other sections are overloaded. I think that outside the reception section the quotes should be cut in half at least. We can say what the quotes say in our own words; quotes are for illustration.
If you disagree, I suggest we mark this review as needing a second opinion and see what another editor says. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Restating the question for whoever picks it up, the question is: how much do we need to reduce quotes to make this acceptable for GA? I feel at least half the quotes need to be cut and replaced by narrative text. See this recent version, which has most (but not all) quotes highlighted, to get an idea of how many quotes there are. (There are more quotes in the lead and in the sound file captions.) Ilovetopaint, please make the case for retaining them, so the second opinion editor can get your side of this. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 15:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Second opinion - First, thanks for the link that bolded the material, making this question much easier to look at. In a quick count, it looks like 935 of the article's 2615 words are quoted material. That's about 36%, which is pretty high. Earwig shows hits over 45%, with the highest at 54. I've passed a small number of articles that were in this range. but at least one of those was later questioned by a third party. I would say that it's acceptable for GA, but that the article would be better if more of the quotes were paraphrased. Argento Surfer ( talk) 16:34, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
About 5-6 years ago, around the peak of the synthwave genre, a calmer, less 80s/retro-influenced variant of it developed called chillwave or chillsynth. It's a type of synthwave with vaporwave and dream pop elements, as well as atmospheres reminiscent of Tycho's music. YouTube channels like Odysseus, Astral Throb and Electronic Gems upload songs and playlists from that genre, and it's represented by artists like Hotel Pools, Krosia, Home, and A.L.I.S.O.N. Some examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] While often it's just called synthwave due to belonging to that umbrella of genres, or chillsynth, more often than not it's referred to as chillwave on YouTube, Spotify playlists etc. as well by the artists themselves, with a lot of fans not aware of the original late 2000s dream pop microgenre this article is about. Is it worth mentioning this alternate use of the term "chillwave" in this article? 2001:7E8:C00E:D600:D54F:6F57:3DE5:370E ( talk) 11:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)