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An image gallery (eventually) containing headshots of all the people who died in the fire brings this article very close to a memorial page as per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. The subject of this article is, quote, the Childers Palace Backpackers Hostel fire; not the individuals who died. Adding an image gallery does not contribute in any encyclopaedic way, and instead would make the page two to three times as long because of all the images.
Now, if a person who died in the fire was notable in their own right, their own article could be linked from the list of victims, and a photo of that person could be placed on their own page. However, no notable people died in this incident.
User:Duncanogi seems to be emotionally involved in this topic -- perhaps one of his relatives was victim Michael Lewis? -- and seems to be unaware of the guidelines WP:COI and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I would suggest that he read up on these policies and come to terms with the fact that while Wikipedia is 'the encyclopaedia anyone can edit', it is not 'the encyclopaedia anyone can add any content they like to'. Simon-in-sagamihara ( talk) 00:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Now, from reading the Childers fire article, I get all the necessary information -- what happened, who did it, who was involved, where and when, and the aftereffects. Obviously this does not match the bolded section above. This is a stub; this and this are also clearly stubs. The Childers fire article is not a stub.A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information, and it should be capable of expansion.
Duncanogi ( talk) 15:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC) To clarify -- despite your insinuations about relatives or friends:
Duncanogi ( talk) 18:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
You Simon-in-sagamihara know that:
Why not contact the artist yourself rather than writing reams of words here? Just write a polite note to the artist on her web site, adding your support for publication and detailing the correct wording needed. I am exasperated. Duncanogi ( talk) 18:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
This article only has a few sentences, being mostly composed of a list. It is barely start class.-- Grahame ( talk) 02:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Duncanogi ( talk) 15:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC) I agree. It is sad that with the tenth anniversary approaching of this tragic event that more contributions have not been made -- especially from Childers inhabitants. I (in UK, not ever having visited Australia) have tried with difficulty to add picures and other information -- the pictures and much text has been deleted by others without them researching the event(see above) -- I am now so put off contributing altruistically to Wikipedia. Duncanogi ( talk) 15:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't know if it's worth 200 pages of legal research, but anyway, here are five six pages that could be used to flesh out the article. All are from the first page of Google hits.
smh.com.au - The Sydney Morning Herald
BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | At the Childers hostel fire trial
BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | Drifter guilty of hostel fire murders
7.30 Report - 26/6/2000: Police continue hunt for Childers hostel fire suspect
Australian backpacker hostel victims had no chance of escaping fire
Backpacker hostel fire suspect shot and captured in woods - Australasia, World - The Independent
Simon-in-sagamihara (
talk)
09:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Duncanogi ( talk) 17:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC) How about you add them in then to improve the article -- Wikipedia needs additional material and not so much time spent on comments.
Nice comment from the jackass who filled up an entire page with tenditious arguments and useless rambling. How about adhering to the rules of Wikipedia, and setting up a memorial site on your own? it's obviously sometihng important to you, but not soemthing that falls under Wikipedia's purview. I know that would take some real effort, instead of just lazily using Wikipedia's ready-made tmeplate. Right now, your childish and whiny atttiude just serves as a display of your own stupidity and is an insult to the memories of those who died. Seriously, you need some mental health treatment. You sound about as crazy as the damn arsonist! 173.61.238.235 ( talk) 04:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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The names of the victims have been deleted from the original page a while ago, so i thought i put them here since there's not many places where you can find all 15 names (at least to my knowledge)
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An image gallery (eventually) containing headshots of all the people who died in the fire brings this article very close to a memorial page as per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. The subject of this article is, quote, the Childers Palace Backpackers Hostel fire; not the individuals who died. Adding an image gallery does not contribute in any encyclopaedic way, and instead would make the page two to three times as long because of all the images.
Now, if a person who died in the fire was notable in their own right, their own article could be linked from the list of victims, and a photo of that person could be placed on their own page. However, no notable people died in this incident.
User:Duncanogi seems to be emotionally involved in this topic -- perhaps one of his relatives was victim Michael Lewis? -- and seems to be unaware of the guidelines WP:COI and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I would suggest that he read up on these policies and come to terms with the fact that while Wikipedia is 'the encyclopaedia anyone can edit', it is not 'the encyclopaedia anyone can add any content they like to'. Simon-in-sagamihara ( talk) 00:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Now, from reading the Childers fire article, I get all the necessary information -- what happened, who did it, who was involved, where and when, and the aftereffects. Obviously this does not match the bolded section above. This is a stub; this and this are also clearly stubs. The Childers fire article is not a stub.A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information, and it should be capable of expansion.
Duncanogi ( talk) 15:37, 20 May 2010 (UTC) To clarify -- despite your insinuations about relatives or friends:
Duncanogi ( talk) 18:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
You Simon-in-sagamihara know that:
Why not contact the artist yourself rather than writing reams of words here? Just write a polite note to the artist on her web site, adding your support for publication and detailing the correct wording needed. I am exasperated. Duncanogi ( talk) 18:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
This article only has a few sentences, being mostly composed of a list. It is barely start class.-- Grahame ( talk) 02:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Duncanogi ( talk) 15:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC) I agree. It is sad that with the tenth anniversary approaching of this tragic event that more contributions have not been made -- especially from Childers inhabitants. I (in UK, not ever having visited Australia) have tried with difficulty to add picures and other information -- the pictures and much text has been deleted by others without them researching the event(see above) -- I am now so put off contributing altruistically to Wikipedia. Duncanogi ( talk) 15:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't know if it's worth 200 pages of legal research, but anyway, here are five six pages that could be used to flesh out the article. All are from the first page of Google hits.
smh.com.au - The Sydney Morning Herald
BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | At the Childers hostel fire trial
BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | Drifter guilty of hostel fire murders
7.30 Report - 26/6/2000: Police continue hunt for Childers hostel fire suspect
Australian backpacker hostel victims had no chance of escaping fire
Backpacker hostel fire suspect shot and captured in woods - Australasia, World - The Independent
Simon-in-sagamihara (
talk)
09:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Duncanogi ( talk) 17:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC) How about you add them in then to improve the article -- Wikipedia needs additional material and not so much time spent on comments.
Nice comment from the jackass who filled up an entire page with tenditious arguments and useless rambling. How about adhering to the rules of Wikipedia, and setting up a memorial site on your own? it's obviously sometihng important to you, but not soemthing that falls under Wikipedia's purview. I know that would take some real effort, instead of just lazily using Wikipedia's ready-made tmeplate. Right now, your childish and whiny atttiude just serves as a display of your own stupidity and is an insult to the memories of those who died. Seriously, you need some mental health treatment. You sound about as crazy as the damn arsonist! 173.61.238.235 ( talk) 04:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
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The names of the victims have been deleted from the original page a while ago, so i thought i put them here since there's not many places where you can find all 15 names (at least to my knowledge)