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I can understand the temptation to update this page with every CMW start, but a good player page should give an overview and highlights, not a play-by-play of a guy's career. I suggest removing the mention of Wang's most recent start. The complete game shutout was a milestone, but the August 2 start wasn't an historic moment in Wang's career. These pages could get very cluttered and dense if every player bio gets updated after every start. We can just add links to game log databases like Yahoo for that kind of minutia.
Agreed.
I reviewed the editing history in this article, and I found multiple edits of vandalism by an anonymous user identified with its user IP 205.188.116.13. The last warning on his vandalization was August 2nd, 2006, yet he chose to disregard the warning and continue to vandalize the article. A block should be implemented upon the user for excessive attempt of vandalization. -- Vic226 01:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
"He recorded his first complete game on June 18, 2006 against the Washington Nationals, but it was a bittersweet accomplishment as he allowed a 1-out, 2-run, walk-off home run by Ryan Zimmerman to lose the game 3-2."
To be technical, Wang only pitched 8 1/3 (or, in baseball calculation, 8.1) innings when he allowed the 2-run walk-off home run by Zimmerman. I'm skeptical that this was still counted as a complete game, as I recognize the definition of complete game as pitching a minimum of 27 outs, 9 innings, by the starting pitcher. -- Vic226 01:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed several links to 1) Personal website claiming to be the "official site", 2) Touring agency website. We should restrict the links to MLB, ESPN, reputable news media, and sports-statistics sites. Please watch. Kenimaru 02:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please point to one official MLB website, publication or sports network that lists Wang as being born anyplace other than Taiwan? If you don't have a source, please stop trying to shoehorn in Republic of China. Remember that as per WP:BLP, unsourced information, including original research, in biographies of living people should be removed aggressively. Additionally, as per WP:VERIFY, the threshold for inclusion of information into Wikipedia is verifiability - not truth. The following reliable sources list Wang as being born in Taiwan: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] - and that's barely scratching the surface. Yankees76 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
How hard is it to grasp a little history? Taiwan has been a part of the Republic of China from 1945, how's that original research? It's not even a stretch to say that Chen was born in the ROC. His passport is embroidered "Republic of China", believe it or not. His Identity Card also says "Republic of China," just like everybody else who were born and have residency in Taiwan. To me it seems ridiculous to be requested to find some site that says he's born in place "other than" Taiwan? Unlike mainland Chinese media, we're not saying he was born in China or the PRC or anywhere else. It's like going great lengths trying to find a biography that states Bono from U2 was born in any place other than Ireland when someone tries to "shoehorn" that he was born in the "Republic of Ireland". This is pretty much all I have to say about the matter. BlueShirts 19:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Jerry, do you ADMIT that Wang is a citizen of the Republic of China? Do you admit that since 1945, Taiwan has been a part of the ROC? I do not understand why it is so hard for yankee to grasp this concept. Even Jerry admits these things. This is the real truth. I cannot believe why yankee cannot understand this simple history. - Nationalist 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
All of the links I give show that the Republic of China is in fact the government that controls Taiwan. - Nationalist 00:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You guys are ridiculous. How hard is to grasp that all of Taiwan island and province, Tainan city included, is under the current jurisdiction of a government officially called the "Republic of China." If the American educational system had any success imparting any knowledge of world politics, this would not even be a fact need verifying. It's like saying Wang is born in Taiwan but demanding others verify that he was born on planet Earth (what if he was born on Mars?) and being unsatisfied that no source is declaring that Wang was born on Earth...This is obvious folks.
But besides that, is "Republic of China" really necessary here? T. J. Beam for example lists Scottsdale, Arizona as the birthplace, not Scottsdale, Arizona, United States.-- Jiang 04:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Souce to verify what? It's already been verified that Wang was born in Tainan.-- Jiang 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Two verified facts: 1) Wang Chien-ming was born in Tainan. 2) Tainan is a city administered by a government called the Republic of China. Connect the dots. What more do you want? -- Jiang 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow Yankee and others are acting very silly. They actually do not understand the situation, nor can they bother to listen to Jiang, Blue Shirts, and me, nor can they connect the dots either. It is simply absurd what they are arguing, and calling others strawman arguments. Jiang definitely knows more than you Yankee. He is an admin. - Nationalist 04:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The category is only for people who tag their user pages. The full list is at Wikipedia:List of administrators.
WP:V is for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged. It is not for obvious facts that are not likely to be challenged. Do I have to cite the Oxford English Dictionary every time I use the word "is" to verify that I am using it correctly? The fact that needs to be verified is where Wang was born, which is obscure enough to be disputed, not the nature of the government of Taiwan, which is assumed to be common sense. -- Jiang 05:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps not common knowledge, but common sense. Connecting the dots or clicking on the links is common sense. Original research is previously "unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories". None of this constitutes OR.-- Jiang 05:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Not because it is not true or because it is disputed, but because the term "Republic of China" seldom enters the world of sports. You know this is true (I hope). I know this is true. Anyone who comes here will either know this is true or know nothing about at all. This is not something that is disputed. WP:NOR and WP:V is meant to prevent people from putting bogus material in Wikipedia. This qualifies under none of the bullet points of WP:NOR#What is excluded. Oftentimes, we reproduce what is published elsewhere by replacing words with synonyms and switching clauses to avoid plagarizing and copyright infringement. To claim that we cannot assume Taiwan and Republic of China to be related just because they have not been literally linked, word-for-word, by someone else is to overinterpet the WP:V guidline over its spirit and intent.
This source and a few others claim Wang Chien-ming was born in China: "中國台灣出身的美國職棒大聯盟洋基隊投手王建民...". Does this mean we can now say he was born in China? WP:V thinks so.-- Jiang 05:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The article in the link provided is an article reproduced from the China News Service, which is a reputable news source, but politically biased in favor of (and controlled by) the Chinese Communist Party....which brings us to the effectiveness of verifiability. If people say Wang wasn't born in China, are we going to force them to dig up a source explicitly telling us he was not? What if no source exists, as this is a political issue not quite related to baseball?
People will of course not know about the ROC, but they will find the link to Republic of China a satisfying enough resource. No one (yourself excluded) will accept that he was born in Taiwan but reject that he was born under the jursidiction of a government called the Republic of China, which brings me to question the point of WP:V in this context. This is not a disputed fact - not in this article at least. -- Jiang 07:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It really doesnt matter what you think. It is what is true. This is not a soap box for your comments. I am from Taiwan, but I always refer to my country as the Republic of China, no matter what. I seldom use Taiwan. The Republic of China is a government which governs Taiwan Province, is that correct Vic, is that correct Jerry? - Nationalist 05:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
First I want to ask you this: can you admit and know for sure that Taiwan is governed as a province by the Republic of China government? Just answer that question first, before we proceed further. - Nationalist 06:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) was designed with maintaining accuracy in mind. Saying "In 1971, China replaced Taiwan on the UN Security Council" is not accurate. Saying "Wang Chien-Ming was born in Taiwan" is not inaccurate. However, if you want all these pages to list the country of birth, then a case can be made for "Republic of China" under the argument of consistency. So far, I don't see this being done.-- Jiang 07:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I will answer anyone's question, but please state it again. However, I do not understand why no one can answer my simple question: Is Taiwan in fact governed by the ROC today? Why are you trying to avoid that issue? If you have a strong valid argument, then admiting to that fact should be no problem. Please first answer my question. I will also answer your question. In response to yankees comment, there is no dispute about whether Canada or the United States is independent or not. Simply saying Dallas, Texas, people will know right off the bat that Texas is part of the U.S.A. But the political status of Taiwan is disputed. Therefore, it is necessary to make it very clear that Taiwan is a province/state of the Republic of China. I am willing to compromise on Taiwan, ROC. That is fine too. There has to be some sort of compromise, because this dispute is going no where. We need mediation, but you guys dont seem willing to compromise/mediate. - Nationalist 23:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that his name is often pronounced as "Chien-Ming Wong", as opposed to "Wang". An "a", in any language, is rarely pronounced as a short "o" unless followed by a silent letter, often a consonant (example: " mackinac" sounds like "mackinaw"). Therefore, phonetically, his last name should rhyme with "sang" (the past tense of "sing"). Hallpriest9( Talk| Archive) 03:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering why it says that he lives in Fort Lee, when he actually lives in Edgewater. I know this because I used to be his neighbor. I lived right across from them and would see them all the time. And they still live there now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MadisonGold ( talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Was curious why Wang was not given a highlight of being a WS winner in 2009. Sure he didn't play and wasn't on the playoff roster, but didn't he get a ring anyway due to being on the team, all be it the DL? Arnabdas ( talk) 17:24, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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Does Chien-ming Wang change teams? On MLB's website, See it, He is Nationals, not Cubs. -- SiaoRong ( talk) 01:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I reread the same source that supposedly said that he was signed by the cubs, but it clearly states that he's resigned by the nationals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjezttt ( talk • contribs) 02:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
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I can understand the temptation to update this page with every CMW start, but a good player page should give an overview and highlights, not a play-by-play of a guy's career. I suggest removing the mention of Wang's most recent start. The complete game shutout was a milestone, but the August 2 start wasn't an historic moment in Wang's career. These pages could get very cluttered and dense if every player bio gets updated after every start. We can just add links to game log databases like Yahoo for that kind of minutia.
Agreed.
I reviewed the editing history in this article, and I found multiple edits of vandalism by an anonymous user identified with its user IP 205.188.116.13. The last warning on his vandalization was August 2nd, 2006, yet he chose to disregard the warning and continue to vandalize the article. A block should be implemented upon the user for excessive attempt of vandalization. -- Vic226 01:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
"He recorded his first complete game on June 18, 2006 against the Washington Nationals, but it was a bittersweet accomplishment as he allowed a 1-out, 2-run, walk-off home run by Ryan Zimmerman to lose the game 3-2."
To be technical, Wang only pitched 8 1/3 (or, in baseball calculation, 8.1) innings when he allowed the 2-run walk-off home run by Zimmerman. I'm skeptical that this was still counted as a complete game, as I recognize the definition of complete game as pitching a minimum of 27 outs, 9 innings, by the starting pitcher. -- Vic226 01:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed several links to 1) Personal website claiming to be the "official site", 2) Touring agency website. We should restrict the links to MLB, ESPN, reputable news media, and sports-statistics sites. Please watch. Kenimaru 02:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please point to one official MLB website, publication or sports network that lists Wang as being born anyplace other than Taiwan? If you don't have a source, please stop trying to shoehorn in Republic of China. Remember that as per WP:BLP, unsourced information, including original research, in biographies of living people should be removed aggressively. Additionally, as per WP:VERIFY, the threshold for inclusion of information into Wikipedia is verifiability - not truth. The following reliable sources list Wang as being born in Taiwan: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] - and that's barely scratching the surface. Yankees76 14:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
How hard is it to grasp a little history? Taiwan has been a part of the Republic of China from 1945, how's that original research? It's not even a stretch to say that Chen was born in the ROC. His passport is embroidered "Republic of China", believe it or not. His Identity Card also says "Republic of China," just like everybody else who were born and have residency in Taiwan. To me it seems ridiculous to be requested to find some site that says he's born in place "other than" Taiwan? Unlike mainland Chinese media, we're not saying he was born in China or the PRC or anywhere else. It's like going great lengths trying to find a biography that states Bono from U2 was born in any place other than Ireland when someone tries to "shoehorn" that he was born in the "Republic of Ireland". This is pretty much all I have to say about the matter. BlueShirts 19:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Jerry, do you ADMIT that Wang is a citizen of the Republic of China? Do you admit that since 1945, Taiwan has been a part of the ROC? I do not understand why it is so hard for yankee to grasp this concept. Even Jerry admits these things. This is the real truth. I cannot believe why yankee cannot understand this simple history. - Nationalist 04:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
All of the links I give show that the Republic of China is in fact the government that controls Taiwan. - Nationalist 00:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You guys are ridiculous. How hard is to grasp that all of Taiwan island and province, Tainan city included, is under the current jurisdiction of a government officially called the "Republic of China." If the American educational system had any success imparting any knowledge of world politics, this would not even be a fact need verifying. It's like saying Wang is born in Taiwan but demanding others verify that he was born on planet Earth (what if he was born on Mars?) and being unsatisfied that no source is declaring that Wang was born on Earth...This is obvious folks.
But besides that, is "Republic of China" really necessary here? T. J. Beam for example lists Scottsdale, Arizona as the birthplace, not Scottsdale, Arizona, United States.-- Jiang 04:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Souce to verify what? It's already been verified that Wang was born in Tainan.-- Jiang 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Two verified facts: 1) Wang Chien-ming was born in Tainan. 2) Tainan is a city administered by a government called the Republic of China. Connect the dots. What more do you want? -- Jiang 04:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow Yankee and others are acting very silly. They actually do not understand the situation, nor can they bother to listen to Jiang, Blue Shirts, and me, nor can they connect the dots either. It is simply absurd what they are arguing, and calling others strawman arguments. Jiang definitely knows more than you Yankee. He is an admin. - Nationalist 04:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The category is only for people who tag their user pages. The full list is at Wikipedia:List of administrators.
WP:V is for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged. It is not for obvious facts that are not likely to be challenged. Do I have to cite the Oxford English Dictionary every time I use the word "is" to verify that I am using it correctly? The fact that needs to be verified is where Wang was born, which is obscure enough to be disputed, not the nature of the government of Taiwan, which is assumed to be common sense. -- Jiang 05:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps not common knowledge, but common sense. Connecting the dots or clicking on the links is common sense. Original research is previously "unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories". None of this constitutes OR.-- Jiang 05:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Not because it is not true or because it is disputed, but because the term "Republic of China" seldom enters the world of sports. You know this is true (I hope). I know this is true. Anyone who comes here will either know this is true or know nothing about at all. This is not something that is disputed. WP:NOR and WP:V is meant to prevent people from putting bogus material in Wikipedia. This qualifies under none of the bullet points of WP:NOR#What is excluded. Oftentimes, we reproduce what is published elsewhere by replacing words with synonyms and switching clauses to avoid plagarizing and copyright infringement. To claim that we cannot assume Taiwan and Republic of China to be related just because they have not been literally linked, word-for-word, by someone else is to overinterpet the WP:V guidline over its spirit and intent.
This source and a few others claim Wang Chien-ming was born in China: "中國台灣出身的美國職棒大聯盟洋基隊投手王建民...". Does this mean we can now say he was born in China? WP:V thinks so.-- Jiang 05:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The article in the link provided is an article reproduced from the China News Service, which is a reputable news source, but politically biased in favor of (and controlled by) the Chinese Communist Party....which brings us to the effectiveness of verifiability. If people say Wang wasn't born in China, are we going to force them to dig up a source explicitly telling us he was not? What if no source exists, as this is a political issue not quite related to baseball?
People will of course not know about the ROC, but they will find the link to Republic of China a satisfying enough resource. No one (yourself excluded) will accept that he was born in Taiwan but reject that he was born under the jursidiction of a government called the Republic of China, which brings me to question the point of WP:V in this context. This is not a disputed fact - not in this article at least. -- Jiang 07:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It really doesnt matter what you think. It is what is true. This is not a soap box for your comments. I am from Taiwan, but I always refer to my country as the Republic of China, no matter what. I seldom use Taiwan. The Republic of China is a government which governs Taiwan Province, is that correct Vic, is that correct Jerry? - Nationalist 05:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
First I want to ask you this: can you admit and know for sure that Taiwan is governed as a province by the Republic of China government? Just answer that question first, before we proceed further. - Nationalist 06:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) was designed with maintaining accuracy in mind. Saying "In 1971, China replaced Taiwan on the UN Security Council" is not accurate. Saying "Wang Chien-Ming was born in Taiwan" is not inaccurate. However, if you want all these pages to list the country of birth, then a case can be made for "Republic of China" under the argument of consistency. So far, I don't see this being done.-- Jiang 07:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I will answer anyone's question, but please state it again. However, I do not understand why no one can answer my simple question: Is Taiwan in fact governed by the ROC today? Why are you trying to avoid that issue? If you have a strong valid argument, then admiting to that fact should be no problem. Please first answer my question. I will also answer your question. In response to yankees comment, there is no dispute about whether Canada or the United States is independent or not. Simply saying Dallas, Texas, people will know right off the bat that Texas is part of the U.S.A. But the political status of Taiwan is disputed. Therefore, it is necessary to make it very clear that Taiwan is a province/state of the Republic of China. I am willing to compromise on Taiwan, ROC. That is fine too. There has to be some sort of compromise, because this dispute is going no where. We need mediation, but you guys dont seem willing to compromise/mediate. - Nationalist 23:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed that his name is often pronounced as "Chien-Ming Wong", as opposed to "Wang". An "a", in any language, is rarely pronounced as a short "o" unless followed by a silent letter, often a consonant (example: " mackinac" sounds like "mackinaw"). Therefore, phonetically, his last name should rhyme with "sang" (the past tense of "sing"). Hallpriest9( Talk| Archive) 03:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering why it says that he lives in Fort Lee, when he actually lives in Edgewater. I know this because I used to be his neighbor. I lived right across from them and would see them all the time. And they still live there now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MadisonGold ( talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Was curious why Wang was not given a highlight of being a WS winner in 2009. Sure he didn't play and wasn't on the playoff roster, but didn't he get a ring anyway due to being on the team, all be it the DL? Arnabdas ( talk) 17:24, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Chien-Ming Wang pitching.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 20, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-05-20. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 16:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Does Chien-ming Wang change teams? On MLB's website, See it, He is Nationals, not Cubs. -- SiaoRong ( talk) 01:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I reread the same source that supposedly said that he was signed by the cubs, but it clearly states that he's resigned by the nationals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjezttt ( talk • contribs) 02:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)