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Why the change to full names? I can see mentioning a person's full name in an article about them but wouldn't it be better here to use the name that the person is usually referred to by? For example I don't think I've ever seen John de Chasterlain referred to as Alfred John Gardyne Drummond de Chasterlain. Cjrother 22:40, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Just heard on the radio, but can't find elsewhere. Natinchuk (sp?). Presently, he's the Vice-Chief of the Defence Staff. 24.84.233.33 ( talk) 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I was asked to review this so here it goes. Overall, this is looking very good, but I have a fundamental problem with this list. This list is essentially a much better version of Chief of the Defence Staff (Canada). All of this information should be in that article. Fundamentally, this list doesn't need to exist, it can be integrated into that other article.
I can see both positions, on the one hand, this could easily be merged. On the other, if it is merged, the tables might swamp the article. If it was merged, it would fall in the grey area between FA and FL. Which is it in that case. If it was merged I can't really see any scope for expansion. It is comprehensive and seems to cover every angle. The only thing I could think of would be to add the history of the rank: why was it created?
These are my early thoughts, regards. Woody ( talk) 18:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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@ WildComet: I have trouble identifying in your source where it states that the logo of the CAF is also the CDS's logo. Additionally, the emblem is indeed used by the CDS. Skjoldbro ( talk) 10:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
The article has used the capitalized term "Chief of the Defence Staff" since 2004. A user just changed the title to "chief of the Defence Staff:
I had changed the the term back to the original term "Chief of the Defence Staff". The user then reverted this change. The user provided a link to a reason for his or her change. However, I would note that that the link provided by the user supports my revision to the long-standing use of Chief of the Defence Staff in the article: "Titles should be capitalized when attached to an individual's name, or where the position/office is a globally unique title that is the subject itself, and the term is the actual title or conventional translation thereof.
As indicated in these links (and in any Government of Canada publication) the term "Chief of the Defence Staff is always capitalized:
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure.html https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure/chief-defence-staff/cds-bio.html
If one looks at the Wikipedia articles for other militaries that have the position of Chief of the Defence Staff, the term is also capitalized, as is the term Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (for the United States, for example).
The Wikipedia article should be consistent with official Canadian government usage and other Wikipedia entries that use the term.
-- Greenwood10 ( talk) 14:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
-- Greenwood10 ( talk) 00:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
User:WildComet - those parts of MOS:JOBTITLES do not apply, because of the higher paragraph on titles and that it is premised on common nouns, shown below. Capitalise when it is the proper noun, the official and complete name of the office or institution. Just observe RS usage when in doubt.
I know at least one Australian editor, who'd love to see it shown as "Governor-in-council". Anyways, hope you both can work this one out. GoodDay ( talk) 21:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
In the lede, should "chief" be capitalized? -- Ooligan ( talk) 16:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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Why the change to full names? I can see mentioning a person's full name in an article about them but wouldn't it be better here to use the name that the person is usually referred to by? For example I don't think I've ever seen John de Chasterlain referred to as Alfred John Gardyne Drummond de Chasterlain. Cjrother 22:40, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Just heard on the radio, but can't find elsewhere. Natinchuk (sp?). Presently, he's the Vice-Chief of the Defence Staff. 24.84.233.33 ( talk) 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, I was asked to review this so here it goes. Overall, this is looking very good, but I have a fundamental problem with this list. This list is essentially a much better version of Chief of the Defence Staff (Canada). All of this information should be in that article. Fundamentally, this list doesn't need to exist, it can be integrated into that other article.
I can see both positions, on the one hand, this could easily be merged. On the other, if it is merged, the tables might swamp the article. If it was merged, it would fall in the grey area between FA and FL. Which is it in that case. If it was merged I can't really see any scope for expansion. It is comprehensive and seems to cover every angle. The only thing I could think of would be to add the history of the rank: why was it created?
These are my early thoughts, regards. Woody ( talk) 18:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
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@ WildComet: I have trouble identifying in your source where it states that the logo of the CAF is also the CDS's logo. Additionally, the emblem is indeed used by the CDS. Skjoldbro ( talk) 10:40, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
The article has used the capitalized term "Chief of the Defence Staff" since 2004. A user just changed the title to "chief of the Defence Staff:
I had changed the the term back to the original term "Chief of the Defence Staff". The user then reverted this change. The user provided a link to a reason for his or her change. However, I would note that that the link provided by the user supports my revision to the long-standing use of Chief of the Defence Staff in the article: "Titles should be capitalized when attached to an individual's name, or where the position/office is a globally unique title that is the subject itself, and the term is the actual title or conventional translation thereof.
As indicated in these links (and in any Government of Canada publication) the term "Chief of the Defence Staff is always capitalized:
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure.html https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/organizational-structure/chief-defence-staff/cds-bio.html
If one looks at the Wikipedia articles for other militaries that have the position of Chief of the Defence Staff, the term is also capitalized, as is the term Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (for the United States, for example).
The Wikipedia article should be consistent with official Canadian government usage and other Wikipedia entries that use the term.
-- Greenwood10 ( talk) 14:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
-- Greenwood10 ( talk) 00:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
User:WildComet - those parts of MOS:JOBTITLES do not apply, because of the higher paragraph on titles and that it is premised on common nouns, shown below. Capitalise when it is the proper noun, the official and complete name of the office or institution. Just observe RS usage when in doubt.
I know at least one Australian editor, who'd love to see it shown as "Governor-in-council". Anyways, hope you both can work this one out. GoodDay ( talk) 21:23, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
In the lede, should "chief" be capitalized? -- Ooligan ( talk) 16:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)