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The result of the move request was: moved, with the caveat that there is no consensus to move the subsidiary list articles – they should go through their own RM. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:40, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Chief Mechanical Engineer →
Chief mechanical engineer – Per the extensive discussions above, and following the suggestion to re-open the move request (Favonian had closed with "close for now with no move, pending outcome of RFCs"), it's time to fix this. The discussions made it clear there is no compelling reason in sources (since many British railway magazines and such did and still do use lower case), and no widespread support among editors, to adopt a style at variance with the WP style expressed in
MOS:CAPS, by which the job title should be lower case. We can still accommodate the formal use of the title for individuals by capitalizing it when it's present as part of a name/title, as proposed by Jojalozzo and supported by many.
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Does the chief have to be a chartered/certified/professional engineer, and a member of the Engineering College/Society/Bar/Guild ? -- 70.49.127.65 ( talk) 04:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, I've never read anything so ridiculous as the discussions above about whether it's 'Chief Mechanical Engineer' or 'chief mechanical engineer' outside of name+title use. I'm frankly horrified to see it ended up with the entirely wrong result. I came here from the home page presentation of Oliver Bulleid's pacifics, and can only wonder at some people's theory that by decapitalising CME, they think laymen are going to be saved any sort of confusion, or indeed praise this adherence to a consistent style. The simple fact is, anyone who claims that either in historical or contemporary usage, people use/d 'CME' as just a common noun for the name of a position that was no more worthy of capitalisation than 'toilet cleaner' and no more uniquely identifying of a post than 'king', are just wrong, wrong, wrong. While it may have initially only been used as a common noun, there can be no doubt that by the time of the period of Bulleid's pacifics, it had become a proper noun for that unique position. Just like there was King Henry, one of the Kings of England, there was Chief Mechanical Engineer Oliver Bulleid, one of the Chief Mechanical Engineers of the railways. It's amazing that the nonsense talked above about toilet cleaners and internal consistency managed to derail Wikipedia away from this undeniable reality of the English language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CME9949 ( talk • contribs) 19:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
O. S. Nock became "Chief Mechanical Engineer" of Westinghouse in 1957 (referenced in the article) - a railway job - in a different sort of railway company - I think the article needs to address other contexts such as this. Prof.Haddock ( talk) 04:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:32, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Chief mechanical engineer → Chief Mechanical Engineer – CME is an official title and is usually capitalized in railway literature. Edwin of Northumbria ( talk) 13:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Even when used with a name, capitalization is not required for commercial and informal titles: OtagoSoft vice-president Chris Henare; team co-captain Chan....The formality (officialness), specificity, or unusualness of a title is not a reason to capitalize it.— Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 23:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved, with the caveat that there is no consensus to move the subsidiary list articles – they should go through their own RM. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:40, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Chief Mechanical Engineer →
Chief mechanical engineer – Per the extensive discussions above, and following the suggestion to re-open the move request (Favonian had closed with "close for now with no move, pending outcome of RFCs"), it's time to fix this. The discussions made it clear there is no compelling reason in sources (since many British railway magazines and such did and still do use lower case), and no widespread support among editors, to adopt a style at variance with the WP style expressed in
MOS:CAPS, by which the job title should be lower case. We can still accommodate the formal use of the title for individuals by capitalizing it when it's present as part of a name/title, as proposed by Jojalozzo and supported by many.
Dicklyon (
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01:29, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Does the chief have to be a chartered/certified/professional engineer, and a member of the Engineering College/Society/Bar/Guild ? -- 70.49.127.65 ( talk) 04:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, I've never read anything so ridiculous as the discussions above about whether it's 'Chief Mechanical Engineer' or 'chief mechanical engineer' outside of name+title use. I'm frankly horrified to see it ended up with the entirely wrong result. I came here from the home page presentation of Oliver Bulleid's pacifics, and can only wonder at some people's theory that by decapitalising CME, they think laymen are going to be saved any sort of confusion, or indeed praise this adherence to a consistent style. The simple fact is, anyone who claims that either in historical or contemporary usage, people use/d 'CME' as just a common noun for the name of a position that was no more worthy of capitalisation than 'toilet cleaner' and no more uniquely identifying of a post than 'king', are just wrong, wrong, wrong. While it may have initially only been used as a common noun, there can be no doubt that by the time of the period of Bulleid's pacifics, it had become a proper noun for that unique position. Just like there was King Henry, one of the Kings of England, there was Chief Mechanical Engineer Oliver Bulleid, one of the Chief Mechanical Engineers of the railways. It's amazing that the nonsense talked above about toilet cleaners and internal consistency managed to derail Wikipedia away from this undeniable reality of the English language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CME9949 ( talk • contribs) 19:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
O. S. Nock became "Chief Mechanical Engineer" of Westinghouse in 1957 (referenced in the article) - a railway job - in a different sort of railway company - I think the article needs to address other contexts such as this. Prof.Haddock ( talk) 04:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:32, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Chief mechanical engineer → Chief Mechanical Engineer – CME is an official title and is usually capitalized in railway literature. Edwin of Northumbria ( talk) 13:08, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Even when used with a name, capitalization is not required for commercial and informal titles: OtagoSoft vice-president Chris Henare; team co-captain Chan....The formality (officialness), specificity, or unusualness of a title is not a reason to capitalize it.— Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 23:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)