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Please list what happens to these males after they are ground up, i.e. is it used for dog food,fertilizer, etc... How can the American Veterinary Medical Association be both opposed to and approve of this device at the same time?
Why the hell are people sick enough to use this!?!? Mitternacht90 21:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Article needs photographs. Bastie 09:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
This doesn't look like a speedyable article to me. The nominator objects to the naming, believing it to be a neologism, and while that's potentially grist for AFD, it's not a speedyable offense. This isn't a bad article; it's got verifiable content and citations, and at most should be re-named to something more topical, if such a name can be found. - Colin Kimbrell 16:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
This article seems a bit 'all over the place'. I am going to try to fix it up a bit. Darkcraft 11:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Everything below 'see also' is not showing up for me in the main article, but is there on the 'edit' page. What is going on? Maybe my browser is just being silly. Oh well I was almost finished anyway, I will come back tomorrow and see if this problem has fixed itself. Darkcraft 12:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
The third References link, " http://www.upc-online.org/battery_hens/42203woodchipper.htm/" is malformed. With the trailing slash, the target page comes up blank. I am unable to edit the references (clicking "Edit" gives me a blank References section). Could someone with the ability to edit references please trim this trailing slash? Thank you :-) TTK 17:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
"Electrocution, a new method that has been touted as being cheap, reliable, and "humane" by its developers". The use of double-quotes around "humane" isn't providing a neutral point of view. It comes across as sarcasm or irony, neither of which belong on a wikipedia page. Newb of wiki ( talk) 15:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
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Aren't these used to make chicken nuggets? Sardonic tradesman ( talk) 17:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
@ GaultierA:, can you tell me how all these pictures here can be your own work? ~ A discussion has been started here with commons admin board. The reason this is asked also on this talk page the editor has edited several files in the article. ~mitch~ ( talk) 14:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Despite what several French and English-language media seem to be suggesting, there is no indication that French Agriculture Minister Didier Guillaume's repeatedly announced plans to 'ban chick culling by the end of 2021' includes a ban on gassing (asphyxiating, controlled atmosphere killing or whatever one might call it) chicks. All media sources only mention 'maceration', 'grinding' or 'broyage'. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find Guillaume's entire 28 January 2020 statement because all media quoted the same parts of it, namely « l’objectif, c’est de forcer les entreprises, la recherche, à faire cela fin 2021 (…) trouver la technique qui marche à grande échelle », otherwise I would have been able to check if he also mentioned gassing explicitly, or just 'maceration/broyage', or just a hypernym like 'culling', or perhaps misleadingly used the hypernyms and hyponyms as synonyms and thus theoretically leaving open the option of gassing remaining legal, just like in Switzerland. Le Monde came closest to pointing out this potential legal loophole, but did not say outright that Guillaume's plans excluded a ban on gassing: 'Parmi les voisins de la France, la Suisse a mis en place cette interdiction depuis le 1er janvier. Le mode d’abattage au moyen du CO2 y reste autorisé.' Note that 'cette interdiction' refers to the word 'broyés' in the previous sentence, strongly suggesting that only 'broyage' (=grinding, maceration) will be outlawed in France according to the Swiss example. I don't know if gassing is commonly practiced alongside grinding, but it could be that the gassing method spreads in France in the run-up to the announced [grinding] ban if hatcheries are unable or unwilling to adopt no-killing alternatives in the meantime as long as gassing is not explicitly included in the announced ban. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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Ok, Escape Orbit, please explain yourself. You're reverting everything I and other people have done on this page (which I think is "edit warring"), only backing it up with your personal opinion, and then you threaten to report me on my talk page. I understand that your opinion is that you don't think culling is a euphemism, but our opinions are supposed to be irrelevant. There are numerous sources showing people do think this (though you also removed those), so we should act accordingly. Trying to censor that sounds a lot like POV pushing (which is why I added the neutrality tag).
And not only are you reverting things that have to do with culling as a euphemism, but you're removing everything else I and Mitchellhobbs have done without any explanation. What's the deal here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariolovr ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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I removed the following phrase (italics) from the lede because it makes no sense in this context:
Some methods of culling that do not involve anaesthetics include: cervical dislocation, asphyxiation by carbon dioxide and maceration using a high-speed grinder, while other methods include using a laser to cut a hole in the egg, removing a drop of fluid to be tested and providing the sex of the chicken.
As written, the use of the laser seems to be a gender test, not a killing method. Even so, it's not sourced, nor mentioned in the body of the article, so I'm wondering why it's even here.
Thoughts, anyone? — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 17:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the map, Austria is both listed as country where chick culling is banned (in the text below the image) but also as country where chick culling is legal (color red on the map). See here: https://i.imgur.com/k0m13Fo.png I'm no legal expert but according to https://www.tierschutz-austria.at/ende-der-eintagskueken-oder-doch-nicht/ it seems chick culling is still legal in most cases in austria. Petropawlowson ( talk) 11:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
In the section Chick culling#Statistics, it lists statistics for France and Germany. But the article states these countries no longer cull male chicks. If this is really true, shouldn't the culling quantity (at least for male chickens) for France and Germany be shown as "zero", or simply removed from this section? Harris7 ( talk) 13:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
In the third sentnece, there is the oft cited figure of 7 billion chicks culled each year. The current citation is a secondary source, also claiming 7 billion chicks and pointing to a web page: https://web.archive.org/web/20160810232554/http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/3446/global-poultry-trends-2014-rapid-growth-in-asias-egg-output/
However, this webpage doesn't say anything about how many chicks are culled. What it does say is that the worldwide estimated number of egg laying chickens in 2013 is around 7 billion. It should be clear that these are not the same. At a basic level, since egg laying chickens are productive for 2-3 years, then if it's 50-50 male-female, then the number of culled males would be somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of that figure. But then there are plenty of female chicks that get culled too, and it all gets complicated and without a primary source we can make up whatever number we like.
This figure of 7 billion seems have been around since 2015. But it doesn't make sense for the number of culled chicks to remain the same, while the number of egg-laying chickens is increasing.
More broadly, there don't seem to be any estimates of chick culling outside of Western countries, so we shouldn't even be making any positive statements of fact about global numbers. Instead, I propose using a verifiable fact with a specific time associated with it. E.g. "The US and Europe culled approximately Z chicks in 20XX", assuming anyone can find a primary source. If I have time, I'll keep looking for one. Multihuntr ( talk) 19:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Of the estimated 6 billion male chicks killed each year around the world, about 12 million are gassed or shredded in Australia.[1] No source or implication where they got that figure from.
An estimated 4-6 billion male chicks are slaughtered globally every year because they serve no economic purpose.[2]
Skilled workers in the egg industry are only able to identify the sex of the chick after it hatches, FFAR stated in a press release. For the 6 billion laying hens hatched each year worldwide, a similar number of male chicks are produced that never make it to market.So the number of male chicks culled every year is estimated based on the number of female laying hens which hatch every year. The problem is of course that there isn't such a 1:1 sex ratio in hatching chicks, and it completely omits the killing of male chicks in the meat poultry industry, where it is also mostly female chickens (meat hens) which are fattened and slaughtered for human consumption, while the cockerels are also culled as unwanted.
Skilled workers in the egg industry are only able to identify the sex of the chick after it hatches. For the 6 billion laying hens hatched each year worldwide, a similar number of male chicks are produced that never make it to market.
By-products of commercial layers (and of layer parents) cannot be used for meat production, and ethical concerns centre around their disposal. Numbers involved at this level are approximately 40 million chicks in Germany, 400 million in Europe and 4 billion world-wide.It's an old 2003 estimate, but at least it's not dependent on the Poultry Site. If we were already at 4 billion in 2003, that number has probably increased with the growth of the poultry population worldwide.
On a yearly basis around 4 billion of these ‘useless’ male chicks are produced (280 million in Europe, 230 million in the USA), which is a conservative estimation as there are 5.7 billion laying hens (...). This is all I could excerpt from Aerts & De Tavernier 2016 (the whole chapter is for sale for €38.15). Although this book has been published 13 years later, they also estimate 4 billion male chicks, but their Europe estimate is off by 120 million (30%). Also, they claim
there are 5.7 billion laying hens, which is what the Poultry Site claimed there were in 2005 (5,690 million, to be more precise). So the figures of Aerts & De Tavernier 2016 seem outdated by at least 10 years, while the discrepancies within Europe are left unexplained. NLeeuw ( talk) 22:35, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please list what happens to these males after they are ground up, i.e. is it used for dog food,fertilizer, etc... How can the American Veterinary Medical Association be both opposed to and approve of this device at the same time?
Why the hell are people sick enough to use this!?!? Mitternacht90 21:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Article needs photographs. Bastie 09:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
This doesn't look like a speedyable article to me. The nominator objects to the naming, believing it to be a neologism, and while that's potentially grist for AFD, it's not a speedyable offense. This isn't a bad article; it's got verifiable content and citations, and at most should be re-named to something more topical, if such a name can be found. - Colin Kimbrell 16:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
This article seems a bit 'all over the place'. I am going to try to fix it up a bit. Darkcraft 11:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Everything below 'see also' is not showing up for me in the main article, but is there on the 'edit' page. What is going on? Maybe my browser is just being silly. Oh well I was almost finished anyway, I will come back tomorrow and see if this problem has fixed itself. Darkcraft 12:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
The third References link, " http://www.upc-online.org/battery_hens/42203woodchipper.htm/" is malformed. With the trailing slash, the target page comes up blank. I am unable to edit the references (clicking "Edit" gives me a blank References section). Could someone with the ability to edit references please trim this trailing slash? Thank you :-) TTK 17:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
"Electrocution, a new method that has been touted as being cheap, reliable, and "humane" by its developers". The use of double-quotes around "humane" isn't providing a neutral point of view. It comes across as sarcasm or irony, neither of which belong on a wikipedia page. Newb of wiki ( talk) 15:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
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Aren't these used to make chicken nuggets? Sardonic tradesman ( talk) 17:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
@ GaultierA:, can you tell me how all these pictures here can be your own work? ~ A discussion has been started here with commons admin board. The reason this is asked also on this talk page the editor has edited several files in the article. ~mitch~ ( talk) 14:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Despite what several French and English-language media seem to be suggesting, there is no indication that French Agriculture Minister Didier Guillaume's repeatedly announced plans to 'ban chick culling by the end of 2021' includes a ban on gassing (asphyxiating, controlled atmosphere killing or whatever one might call it) chicks. All media sources only mention 'maceration', 'grinding' or 'broyage'. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find Guillaume's entire 28 January 2020 statement because all media quoted the same parts of it, namely « l’objectif, c’est de forcer les entreprises, la recherche, à faire cela fin 2021 (…) trouver la technique qui marche à grande échelle », otherwise I would have been able to check if he also mentioned gassing explicitly, or just 'maceration/broyage', or just a hypernym like 'culling', or perhaps misleadingly used the hypernyms and hyponyms as synonyms and thus theoretically leaving open the option of gassing remaining legal, just like in Switzerland. Le Monde came closest to pointing out this potential legal loophole, but did not say outright that Guillaume's plans excluded a ban on gassing: 'Parmi les voisins de la France, la Suisse a mis en place cette interdiction depuis le 1er janvier. Le mode d’abattage au moyen du CO2 y reste autorisé.' Note that 'cette interdiction' refers to the word 'broyés' in the previous sentence, strongly suggesting that only 'broyage' (=grinding, maceration) will be outlawed in France according to the Swiss example. I don't know if gassing is commonly practiced alongside grinding, but it could be that the gassing method spreads in France in the run-up to the announced [grinding] ban if hatcheries are unable or unwilling to adopt no-killing alternatives in the meantime as long as gassing is not explicitly included in the announced ban. Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 15:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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Ok, Escape Orbit, please explain yourself. You're reverting everything I and other people have done on this page (which I think is "edit warring"), only backing it up with your personal opinion, and then you threaten to report me on my talk page. I understand that your opinion is that you don't think culling is a euphemism, but our opinions are supposed to be irrelevant. There are numerous sources showing people do think this (though you also removed those), so we should act accordingly. Trying to censor that sounds a lot like POV pushing (which is why I added the neutrality tag).
And not only are you reverting things that have to do with culling as a euphemism, but you're removing everything else I and Mitchellhobbs have done without any explanation. What's the deal here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariolovr ( talk • contribs) 19:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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I removed the following phrase (italics) from the lede because it makes no sense in this context:
Some methods of culling that do not involve anaesthetics include: cervical dislocation, asphyxiation by carbon dioxide and maceration using a high-speed grinder, while other methods include using a laser to cut a hole in the egg, removing a drop of fluid to be tested and providing the sex of the chicken.
As written, the use of the laser seems to be a gender test, not a killing method. Even so, it's not sourced, nor mentioned in the body of the article, so I'm wondering why it's even here.
Thoughts, anyone? — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 17:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the map, Austria is both listed as country where chick culling is banned (in the text below the image) but also as country where chick culling is legal (color red on the map). See here: https://i.imgur.com/k0m13Fo.png I'm no legal expert but according to https://www.tierschutz-austria.at/ende-der-eintagskueken-oder-doch-nicht/ it seems chick culling is still legal in most cases in austria. Petropawlowson ( talk) 11:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
In the section Chick culling#Statistics, it lists statistics for France and Germany. But the article states these countries no longer cull male chicks. If this is really true, shouldn't the culling quantity (at least for male chickens) for France and Germany be shown as "zero", or simply removed from this section? Harris7 ( talk) 13:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
In the third sentnece, there is the oft cited figure of 7 billion chicks culled each year. The current citation is a secondary source, also claiming 7 billion chicks and pointing to a web page: https://web.archive.org/web/20160810232554/http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/3446/global-poultry-trends-2014-rapid-growth-in-asias-egg-output/
However, this webpage doesn't say anything about how many chicks are culled. What it does say is that the worldwide estimated number of egg laying chickens in 2013 is around 7 billion. It should be clear that these are not the same. At a basic level, since egg laying chickens are productive for 2-3 years, then if it's 50-50 male-female, then the number of culled males would be somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of that figure. But then there are plenty of female chicks that get culled too, and it all gets complicated and without a primary source we can make up whatever number we like.
This figure of 7 billion seems have been around since 2015. But it doesn't make sense for the number of culled chicks to remain the same, while the number of egg-laying chickens is increasing.
More broadly, there don't seem to be any estimates of chick culling outside of Western countries, so we shouldn't even be making any positive statements of fact about global numbers. Instead, I propose using a verifiable fact with a specific time associated with it. E.g. "The US and Europe culled approximately Z chicks in 20XX", assuming anyone can find a primary source. If I have time, I'll keep looking for one. Multihuntr ( talk) 19:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Of the estimated 6 billion male chicks killed each year around the world, about 12 million are gassed or shredded in Australia.[1] No source or implication where they got that figure from.
An estimated 4-6 billion male chicks are slaughtered globally every year because they serve no economic purpose.[2]
Skilled workers in the egg industry are only able to identify the sex of the chick after it hatches, FFAR stated in a press release. For the 6 billion laying hens hatched each year worldwide, a similar number of male chicks are produced that never make it to market.So the number of male chicks culled every year is estimated based on the number of female laying hens which hatch every year. The problem is of course that there isn't such a 1:1 sex ratio in hatching chicks, and it completely omits the killing of male chicks in the meat poultry industry, where it is also mostly female chickens (meat hens) which are fattened and slaughtered for human consumption, while the cockerels are also culled as unwanted.
Skilled workers in the egg industry are only able to identify the sex of the chick after it hatches. For the 6 billion laying hens hatched each year worldwide, a similar number of male chicks are produced that never make it to market.
By-products of commercial layers (and of layer parents) cannot be used for meat production, and ethical concerns centre around their disposal. Numbers involved at this level are approximately 40 million chicks in Germany, 400 million in Europe and 4 billion world-wide.It's an old 2003 estimate, but at least it's not dependent on the Poultry Site. If we were already at 4 billion in 2003, that number has probably increased with the growth of the poultry population worldwide.
On a yearly basis around 4 billion of these ‘useless’ male chicks are produced (280 million in Europe, 230 million in the USA), which is a conservative estimation as there are 5.7 billion laying hens (...). This is all I could excerpt from Aerts & De Tavernier 2016 (the whole chapter is for sale for €38.15). Although this book has been published 13 years later, they also estimate 4 billion male chicks, but their Europe estimate is off by 120 million (30%). Also, they claim
there are 5.7 billion laying hens, which is what the Poultry Site claimed there were in 2005 (5,690 million, to be more precise). So the figures of Aerts & De Tavernier 2016 seem outdated by at least 10 years, while the discrepancies within Europe are left unexplained. NLeeuw ( talk) 22:35, 18 February 2024 (UTC)