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Since it's been about a year since the controversy and the no consensus RfC, it might be time to revisit whether this article should still exist. Instaurare ( talk) 00:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit this article but as a followup in the financial impact, it might be worth updating it to include the observation made in an article: A few months after the statement, earnings reports from the privately owned Chick-fil-A (which is under no obligation to report its earnings) just sort of…stopped. Go ahead…Google “Chick-fil-a earnings history.” Everything goes strangely silent later in the 2012 financial year. http://aattp.org/after-prayin-on-it-chik-fil-a-ceo-regrets-being-a-homophobic-bigoted-a-hole/ It's a biased source but the statement is accurate, CfA has not restated their earnings since the push. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.87.121.155 ( talk) 17:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
What is the last remaining organization that they donated to? Isn't it a Christian Student Athletes group that speaks I'll of homosexuality still? National Christian Foundation and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the one they apparently still support, supports DOMA and anti-gay sex Ed. Sources needed, but I thought I'd bring attention to this piece of missing information in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.60.179 ( talk) 15:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
It's non-neutral to describe Chik-fil-A as opposed to LGBT rights. The language of rights begs the question by endorsing one side of the debate. That is, and I realize there are more than two voices in any debate and that this is a simplification, progressives hold marriage to be a commitment of love that can be made to any other human being, and thus that the right to marry is being restrained by traditionalists. On the other hand, traditionalists hold marriage to be a commitment of fidelity and family to someone of the opposite sex, and thus that the efforts of progressives do not expand "rights," since people with same-sex attraction already have the right to marry in this traditional sense, but rather progressive efforts work to change the definition of marriage. While the language of rights thus sides against the traditionalist perspective, I think both sides would find language like causes to be agreeable and neutral. James2c19v ( talk) 14:54, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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just a note about my removal of the statement that Chik-fil-A has had no discrimination claims; my edit was reverted but the reasoning did not support the reversion, so i rolled back the reversion; when i started the rollback the rollback, a modal popup prevented me from looking at other pages to grab the correct URL; i clicked cancel expecting the rollback to be canceled, but instead it rolled back without comment; the rollback reason i was going to provide was 1) the link i provided in the reason for edit was simply lacking an "l" — it's here: [1] and 2) the reverter cited an article that had no mention of discrimination claims or anything similar Garbanzito ( talk) 21:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The source this assertion is cited to ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/chick-fil-a-sales-2012_n_2590612.html) never makes any such link, so, per WP policy, it shouldn't. Rwenonah ( talk) 20:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Dan Cathy's statements spawned almost immediate reaction from both sides of the controversy.
After these interviews, Thomas Menino, the Mayor of Boston, stated that he would not allow the company to open franchises in the city "unless they open up their policies.” [2] Menino subsequently wrote a letter to Dan Cathy, citing Cathy's earlier statement on The Ken Coleman Show and responded: "We are indeed full of pride for our support of same sex marriage and our work to expand freedom for all people." [3] In Chicago, alderman Proco "Joe" Moreno announced his determination to block Chick-fil-A's bid to build a second store in the city: "They'd have to do a complete 180", Moreno said in outlining conditions under which he would retract the block. "They'd have to work with LGBT groups in terms of hiring, and there would have to be a public apology from [Cathy]." [4]
Moreno received backing from Chicago's Mayor, Rahm Emanuel: "Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values", Emanuel said in a statement. "They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty." [4] San Francisco soon followed suit on July 26 when mayor Edwin M. Lee tweeted, "Very disappointed #ChickFilA doesn't share San Francisco's values & strong commitment to equality for everyone." Lee followed that tweet with "Closest #ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer." [5]
The proposed bans in Boston and Chicago drew criticism from liberal pundits, legal experts and the American Civil Liberties Union. Kevin Drum of Mother Jones magazine said "[T]here's really no excuse for Emanuel's and Menino's actions... you don't hand out business licenses based on whether you agree with the political views of the executives. Not in America, anyway." [6] UCLA law professor and blogger Eugene Volokh observed, "[D]enying a private business permits because of such speech by its owner is a blatant First Amendment violation." [7] Echoing those views were Glenn Greenwald of Salon, professor John Turley of George Washington University, Adam Schwartz, a senior attorney with the ACLU and Michael C. Dorf, the Robert S. Stevens Professor of Law at Cornell University Law School. [8] [9]
Students at several colleges and universities launched grassroots efforts to ban or remove the company's restaurants from their campuses. On November 3, 2011, the New York University Student Senators Council voted 19 to 4 to retain the Chick-fil-A franchise on campus. This vote came before a petition with over 11,000 signatures opposing its presence on campus was sent to the student council. [10] On February 28, 2012, the Northeastern University (NU) student senate passed a resolution to cancel plans for a Chick-fil-A franchise on campus, stating that "the student body does not support bringing CFA [Chick-fil-A] to campus", and "Student concerns reflected CFA's history of donating to anti-gay organizations." The vote was 31 to 5, with 8 abstaining. The restaurant chain was finalizing a contract to bring it to NU when students protested. [11] Davidson College in North Carolina announced on August 13, 2011 that, in response to a petition which received 500 signatures, the school will stop serving Chick-fil-A on campus at the monthly After Midnight events. [12]
Other forms of protest occurred. Gay rights activists organized a "Kiss Off" to occur on August 3, [13] an event where LGBT individuals would show affection in public, [14] however it attracted smaller than hoped for crowds. [15]
In response to the July 2 interview, the Jim Henson Company, which had entered its Pajanimals in a kids' meal toy licensing arrangement in 2011, said that it would cease its business relationship with Chick-fil-A, and donate payment for the brand to Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD). [16] [17] [18] [19] Citing safety concerns, Chick-fil-A stopped distributing the toys. [20] A spokeswoman stated the decision had been made July 19 and was unrelated to the controversy. [21]
In August 2012, progressive groups delivered petitions with over 80,000 signatures to publisher HarperCollins [22] demanding that the publisher cut plans to include Berenstain Bears titles as part of a kids' meal promotion. Upon being presented with petitions demanding that Berenstain Bears be pulled from a Chick-fil-A promotion, HarperCollins issued a statement saying "We have a long history of diversity and inclusiveness and work tirelessly to protect the freedom of expression. It is not our practice to cancel a contract with an author, or any other party, for exercising their first amendment rights." [23]
In response to the controversy, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee initiated a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day movement to counter a boycott of Chick-fil-A launched by gay marriage activists. [24] [25] [26] More than 600,000 people RSVPed on Facebook for Huckabee's appreciation event. [25]
On August 1, Chick-fil-A restaurants experienced a large show of public support across the nation with the company reporting record-breaking sales. [24] [25] [26] A consulting firm projected that the average Chick-fil-A restaurant increased sales by 29.9 percent and had 367 more customers than a typical Wednesday. [27]
References
Chick-fil-A doesn't belong in Boston. You can't have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We're an open city, we're a city that's at the forefront of inclusion... That's the Freedom Trail. That's where it all started right here. And we're not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail.
dm23Jul
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Other notable public figures have came to Chick-fil-A's defense including former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, [1] former US Senator Rick Santorum, [2] and Ann Coulter; [3] while others, such as New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, [4] have not condoned Dan Cathy's views on marriage but have defended his right to express them.
References
This reads like a regurgitated Press Release, down to the quotes, "We are not engaging. Chick-fil-A is about food, and that's it."
There's no mention of Chick-fil-A's continued funding of anti-lgbt associations and terrible record on inclusive policies. https://thinkprogress.org/chick-fil-a-still-anti-gay-970f079bf85/
Chick-fil-A got a big fat 0 from the Human Rights Campaign, yet anyone reading this would think they suddenly turned over a new leaf. http://www.hrc.org/apps/buyersguide/profile.php?orgid=61530 81.101.32.116 ( talk) 14:30, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I feel like this page has been astroturfed honestly. Needs protection and some good editing. 81.101.32.116 ( talk) 17:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Article fails to mention and downplays Chick-fil-a's phenomenal growth rate, in spite of repeatedly being a victim of anti-christian hate crimes by Democratic party mayors and leftist college campuses. That it is currently the third largest fast food restaurant in USA, and by end of 2019 will replace Wendys as #2, while only being open 6 days a week, and paying its employees more than the most generous currently offered minimum wage expansions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.228.204.248 ( talk) 03:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
This article frames the situation as a 2012 event when there seems to be ongoing news about this ever since then. This article and main fast food article each cover parts of the narrative. The long version should be here, and the fast food article should cover it as a long term story. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
There is vandalism in the page title for the Wikipedia app. There we can read "I hate *n-word*" with a "3" in the place of the "e". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornornoston ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
"Operators' involvement in their communities is a critical part of what has helped Chick-fil-A attract a passionate following."
^^^ Obvious, unnecessary, and blatant marketing speak. This is a Wiki page, not a press-release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.255.131.229 ( talk) 16:08, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I updated that section with these two recent sources - Chick-fil-A no longer donates to controversial Christian charities after LGBTQ protests and Chick-fil-A To Stop Donations To Charities With Anti-LGBT Views. But I didn't update the lead, personally, I think this information should be in the lead, it's noteworthy and relevant to this article, thought other editors may want to weigh in with their thoughts on inclusion in the lead? Isaidnoway (talk) 18:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to "Chick-fil-A and LGBT people".( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 14:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy →
Chick-fil-A position on LGBT people – (Suggested title-only) Although the original controversy sparked back in 2012 with the Prop 8 in California, the situation (including the article itself) has leaned to what are the views and the position of the restaurant chain. In the article, half of the section "
Policy changes", the whole section "
United States government", the last paragraph of "
Local government", half of the section "
Backlash" and the section
October 2019 closure of UK location, all, are not related to the original controversy, but to subsequent event that are not necessarily affected by the 2012 criticism of Dan T. Cathy, but the views of the company. A Google test suggest that
"same-sex marriage" is less common than
"LGBT".
©
Tbhotch
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en-3). 05:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
13:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I think the title needs to encompass how their animosity towards LGBTQ people also extends to their lack of LGBTQ employee protections seen at similar companies of their workforce size.
If the company makes a miraculous turnaround the name can change from “anti-LGBTQ activities” to “LGBTQ activities”. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 02:47, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
"As of April 2018, Chick-fil-A reportedly continues to donate to anti-LGBT groups.[3][4][5][6]"
There are superficially four sources. The first one is an opinion editorial for the New Yorker. The author does not cite any source behind what he says. The second one does not cite any donations made since 2012 except to the Salvation Army, which has no reasons given as to why it should be considered "anti-LBGT". The third comes from Think Progress, which is a self-proclaimed left-wing website (not by any means a WP:RS) which says that the Fellowship of Christian Athletes is anti-LGBT because it is Christian and dares to "spread Christian teachings", including things "the Bible is clear on", like sex being reserved for heterosexual marriage. Summarizing such a viewpoint is described non-neutrally by a non-neutral source as "anti-LGBT"; that does not pass muster for our article. The fourth source is from a Toronto blog that uses the New Yorker opinion piece for its data.
Unless someone cares to opine, I'll be updating it to say that Chick-Fil-A donates to Christian organizations because we have no neutral sources that describe, with evidence, that the groups that CFA donates to are anti-LGBT. WP:NPOV still controls here. I'm waiting for a response. Red Slash 05:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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Since it's been about a year since the controversy and the no consensus RfC, it might be time to revisit whether this article should still exist. Instaurare ( talk) 00:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit this article but as a followup in the financial impact, it might be worth updating it to include the observation made in an article: A few months after the statement, earnings reports from the privately owned Chick-fil-A (which is under no obligation to report its earnings) just sort of…stopped. Go ahead…Google “Chick-fil-a earnings history.” Everything goes strangely silent later in the 2012 financial year. http://aattp.org/after-prayin-on-it-chik-fil-a-ceo-regrets-being-a-homophobic-bigoted-a-hole/ It's a biased source but the statement is accurate, CfA has not restated their earnings since the push. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.87.121.155 ( talk) 17:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
What is the last remaining organization that they donated to? Isn't it a Christian Student Athletes group that speaks I'll of homosexuality still? National Christian Foundation and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, the one they apparently still support, supports DOMA and anti-gay sex Ed. Sources needed, but I thought I'd bring attention to this piece of missing information in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.60.179 ( talk) 15:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
It's non-neutral to describe Chik-fil-A as opposed to LGBT rights. The language of rights begs the question by endorsing one side of the debate. That is, and I realize there are more than two voices in any debate and that this is a simplification, progressives hold marriage to be a commitment of love that can be made to any other human being, and thus that the right to marry is being restrained by traditionalists. On the other hand, traditionalists hold marriage to be a commitment of fidelity and family to someone of the opposite sex, and thus that the efforts of progressives do not expand "rights," since people with same-sex attraction already have the right to marry in this traditional sense, but rather progressive efforts work to change the definition of marriage. While the language of rights thus sides against the traditionalist perspective, I think both sides would find language like causes to be agreeable and neutral. James2c19v ( talk) 14:54, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
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just a note about my removal of the statement that Chik-fil-A has had no discrimination claims; my edit was reverted but the reasoning did not support the reversion, so i rolled back the reversion; when i started the rollback the rollback, a modal popup prevented me from looking at other pages to grab the correct URL; i clicked cancel expecting the rollback to be canceled, but instead it rolled back without comment; the rollback reason i was going to provide was 1) the link i provided in the reason for edit was simply lacking an "l" — it's here: [1] and 2) the reverter cited an article that had no mention of discrimination claims or anything similar Garbanzito ( talk) 21:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
The source this assertion is cited to ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/chick-fil-a-sales-2012_n_2590612.html) never makes any such link, so, per WP policy, it shouldn't. Rwenonah ( talk) 20:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Dan Cathy's statements spawned almost immediate reaction from both sides of the controversy.
After these interviews, Thomas Menino, the Mayor of Boston, stated that he would not allow the company to open franchises in the city "unless they open up their policies.” [2] Menino subsequently wrote a letter to Dan Cathy, citing Cathy's earlier statement on The Ken Coleman Show and responded: "We are indeed full of pride for our support of same sex marriage and our work to expand freedom for all people." [3] In Chicago, alderman Proco "Joe" Moreno announced his determination to block Chick-fil-A's bid to build a second store in the city: "They'd have to do a complete 180", Moreno said in outlining conditions under which he would retract the block. "They'd have to work with LGBT groups in terms of hiring, and there would have to be a public apology from [Cathy]." [4]
Moreno received backing from Chicago's Mayor, Rahm Emanuel: "Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values", Emanuel said in a statement. "They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty." [4] San Francisco soon followed suit on July 26 when mayor Edwin M. Lee tweeted, "Very disappointed #ChickFilA doesn't share San Francisco's values & strong commitment to equality for everyone." Lee followed that tweet with "Closest #ChickFilA to San Francisco is 40 miles away & I strongly recommend that they not try to come any closer." [5]
The proposed bans in Boston and Chicago drew criticism from liberal pundits, legal experts and the American Civil Liberties Union. Kevin Drum of Mother Jones magazine said "[T]here's really no excuse for Emanuel's and Menino's actions... you don't hand out business licenses based on whether you agree with the political views of the executives. Not in America, anyway." [6] UCLA law professor and blogger Eugene Volokh observed, "[D]enying a private business permits because of such speech by its owner is a blatant First Amendment violation." [7] Echoing those views were Glenn Greenwald of Salon, professor John Turley of George Washington University, Adam Schwartz, a senior attorney with the ACLU and Michael C. Dorf, the Robert S. Stevens Professor of Law at Cornell University Law School. [8] [9]
Students at several colleges and universities launched grassroots efforts to ban or remove the company's restaurants from their campuses. On November 3, 2011, the New York University Student Senators Council voted 19 to 4 to retain the Chick-fil-A franchise on campus. This vote came before a petition with over 11,000 signatures opposing its presence on campus was sent to the student council. [10] On February 28, 2012, the Northeastern University (NU) student senate passed a resolution to cancel plans for a Chick-fil-A franchise on campus, stating that "the student body does not support bringing CFA [Chick-fil-A] to campus", and "Student concerns reflected CFA's history of donating to anti-gay organizations." The vote was 31 to 5, with 8 abstaining. The restaurant chain was finalizing a contract to bring it to NU when students protested. [11] Davidson College in North Carolina announced on August 13, 2011 that, in response to a petition which received 500 signatures, the school will stop serving Chick-fil-A on campus at the monthly After Midnight events. [12]
Other forms of protest occurred. Gay rights activists organized a "Kiss Off" to occur on August 3, [13] an event where LGBT individuals would show affection in public, [14] however it attracted smaller than hoped for crowds. [15]
In response to the July 2 interview, the Jim Henson Company, which had entered its Pajanimals in a kids' meal toy licensing arrangement in 2011, said that it would cease its business relationship with Chick-fil-A, and donate payment for the brand to Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD). [16] [17] [18] [19] Citing safety concerns, Chick-fil-A stopped distributing the toys. [20] A spokeswoman stated the decision had been made July 19 and was unrelated to the controversy. [21]
In August 2012, progressive groups delivered petitions with over 80,000 signatures to publisher HarperCollins [22] demanding that the publisher cut plans to include Berenstain Bears titles as part of a kids' meal promotion. Upon being presented with petitions demanding that Berenstain Bears be pulled from a Chick-fil-A promotion, HarperCollins issued a statement saying "We have a long history of diversity and inclusiveness and work tirelessly to protect the freedom of expression. It is not our practice to cancel a contract with an author, or any other party, for exercising their first amendment rights." [23]
In response to the controversy, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee initiated a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day movement to counter a boycott of Chick-fil-A launched by gay marriage activists. [24] [25] [26] More than 600,000 people RSVPed on Facebook for Huckabee's appreciation event. [25]
On August 1, Chick-fil-A restaurants experienced a large show of public support across the nation with the company reporting record-breaking sales. [24] [25] [26] A consulting firm projected that the average Chick-fil-A restaurant increased sales by 29.9 percent and had 367 more customers than a typical Wednesday. [27]
References
Chick-fil-A doesn't belong in Boston. You can't have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We're an open city, we're a city that's at the forefront of inclusion... That's the Freedom Trail. That's where it all started right here. And we're not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail.
dm23Jul
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Other notable public figures have came to Chick-fil-A's defense including former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, [1] former US Senator Rick Santorum, [2] and Ann Coulter; [3] while others, such as New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, [4] have not condoned Dan Cathy's views on marriage but have defended his right to express them.
References
This reads like a regurgitated Press Release, down to the quotes, "We are not engaging. Chick-fil-A is about food, and that's it."
There's no mention of Chick-fil-A's continued funding of anti-lgbt associations and terrible record on inclusive policies. https://thinkprogress.org/chick-fil-a-still-anti-gay-970f079bf85/
Chick-fil-A got a big fat 0 from the Human Rights Campaign, yet anyone reading this would think they suddenly turned over a new leaf. http://www.hrc.org/apps/buyersguide/profile.php?orgid=61530 81.101.32.116 ( talk) 14:30, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I feel like this page has been astroturfed honestly. Needs protection and some good editing. 81.101.32.116 ( talk) 17:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Article fails to mention and downplays Chick-fil-a's phenomenal growth rate, in spite of repeatedly being a victim of anti-christian hate crimes by Democratic party mayors and leftist college campuses. That it is currently the third largest fast food restaurant in USA, and by end of 2019 will replace Wendys as #2, while only being open 6 days a week, and paying its employees more than the most generous currently offered minimum wage expansions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.228.204.248 ( talk) 03:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
This article frames the situation as a 2012 event when there seems to be ongoing news about this ever since then. This article and main fast food article each cover parts of the narrative. The long version should be here, and the fast food article should cover it as a long term story. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
There is vandalism in the page title for the Wikipedia app. There we can read "I hate *n-word*" with a "3" in the place of the "e". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dornornoston ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
"Operators' involvement in their communities is a critical part of what has helped Chick-fil-A attract a passionate following."
^^^ Obvious, unnecessary, and blatant marketing speak. This is a Wiki page, not a press-release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.255.131.229 ( talk) 16:08, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I updated that section with these two recent sources - Chick-fil-A no longer donates to controversial Christian charities after LGBTQ protests and Chick-fil-A To Stop Donations To Charities With Anti-LGBT Views. But I didn't update the lead, personally, I think this information should be in the lead, it's noteworthy and relevant to this article, thought other editors may want to weigh in with their thoughts on inclusion in the lead? Isaidnoway (talk) 18:03, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to "Chick-fil-A and LGBT people".( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 14:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy →
Chick-fil-A position on LGBT people – (Suggested title-only) Although the original controversy sparked back in 2012 with the Prop 8 in California, the situation (including the article itself) has leaned to what are the views and the position of the restaurant chain. In the article, half of the section "
Policy changes", the whole section "
United States government", the last paragraph of "
Local government", half of the section "
Backlash" and the section
October 2019 closure of UK location, all, are not related to the original controversy, but to subsequent event that are not necessarily affected by the 2012 criticism of Dan T. Cathy, but the views of the company. A Google test suggest that
"same-sex marriage" is less common than
"LGBT".
©
Tbhotch
™ (
en-3). 05:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
13:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I think the title needs to encompass how their animosity towards LGBTQ people also extends to their lack of LGBTQ employee protections seen at similar companies of their workforce size.
If the company makes a miraculous turnaround the name can change from “anti-LGBTQ activities” to “LGBTQ activities”. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 02:47, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
"As of April 2018, Chick-fil-A reportedly continues to donate to anti-LGBT groups.[3][4][5][6]"
There are superficially four sources. The first one is an opinion editorial for the New Yorker. The author does not cite any source behind what he says. The second one does not cite any donations made since 2012 except to the Salvation Army, which has no reasons given as to why it should be considered "anti-LBGT". The third comes from Think Progress, which is a self-proclaimed left-wing website (not by any means a WP:RS) which says that the Fellowship of Christian Athletes is anti-LGBT because it is Christian and dares to "spread Christian teachings", including things "the Bible is clear on", like sex being reserved for heterosexual marriage. Summarizing such a viewpoint is described non-neutrally by a non-neutral source as "anti-LGBT"; that does not pass muster for our article. The fourth source is from a Toronto blog that uses the New Yorker opinion piece for its data.
Unless someone cares to opine, I'll be updating it to say that Chick-Fil-A donates to Christian organizations because we have no neutral sources that describe, with evidence, that the groups that CFA donates to are anti-LGBT. WP:NPOV still controls here. I'm waiting for a response. Red Slash 05:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)