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My my this article is full of unreferences information, as well as speculation! I personally love "After selling a million cars in the US, they intend to". They haven't even sold one yet. Chery flunked crash tests in the US and Europe when they tried to bring their car there...even Perodua of Malaysia body designs are ranked higher than Chery. Let's see how they compete against newly #1 Perodua in Malaysia, equipped with modern Japanese Daihatsu engines. Then, the automakers would compete with Hyundai/Kia on the low end, a very strong company with a rock solid reputation. Likely Hyundai/Kia would squash Chery in a nanosecond.
Hi, if you make a statement like that please suplly a proper link to the US Federal Crash Test Standards document, instead of a local magazine, NPOV ? Mion 09:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
"IP Rights" is a meaningless phrase. What rights were they accused of violating, if any? Themusicgod1 06:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
In this article: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/04/04/028879.html they talk about the 'Chery Fengyun' - which uses the same 1.6l four cylinder Tritec engine as the MINI Cooper and the Lifan 520. It's not mentioned here - any clue as to what it's like? SteveBaker 06:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I had assumed the article was, approximately, factually correct. Apparently that is also debated.
I just wished to request that the notion of "intellectual property" be done from a relatively neutral viewpoint rather than that of a pro-IP fanatic. The notion that "intellectual property" is as wrongheaded a notion as "slavery" is a legitimate part of the intellectual property debate, and it is NOT a given that everyone everywhere believes that current corporate interpretations of intellectual property law are legal, appropriate, or even binding when not strictly enforced.
There are too many vandalism. They are usually edit manufacturer and/or model name to fiction names. -- 118.172.167.215 ( talk) 13:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] References
^ Moldova.org - Auto - News - Chery -> The corect URL
http://auto.moldova.org/brands/chery-56-0-eng.html (Moldova.org - Auto - Chery)
^ Page Error : 찾으시는 Page의 URL이 잘못되었거나 없습니다
the second reference is Korean "Error 404".
202.129.54.210 ( talk) 09:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm just beginning to edit namespaces on Chinese topics -- and where possible, I'd like to simplify the technical linguistic information. For instance, before a reader even learns that Chery is an auto company, there are 4 separate dictionary entries (English pronunication, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Pinyin). That's a lot.
Are there any Wiki guidelines as to when it is appropriate to delete either the Simplified or Traditional Chinese? In the case of Chery, 奇瑞汽车 / 奇瑞汽車, they differ by only the final character. NinetyNineFennelSeeds ( talk) 21:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Many medias, include Chery Official Chinese website, are use Simplified Chinese 奇瑞汽车. I agree to delete the Traditional Chinese 奇瑞汽車. -- Love Krittaya ( talk) 08:56, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
In response to the person who deleted the un-sourced header to the controversies sections ("Several lawsuits and copying claims make Chery the exception to a harmonious group of otherwise considerate, car-making State-owned enterprises in China") I do feel it's important to keep it.
Many private Chinese automakers' products have exterior design obviously inspired by that of foreign automaker's offerings. Few, perhaps only Chery, government-owned automakers in China do likewise. This is an important distinction.
Would re-wording the sentence make it more acceptable? Something like: "While Chery is a State-owned enterprise it cleaves more closely to the unseemly behavior of China's private automakers." If you think a re-wording is in order, please let me know or just make the changes you feel are needed. Fleetham ( talk) 15:25, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Looking for citations to support the section about Chery copy-cat models other than the QQ, all I could find for the claim that the Chery Tiggo is a RAV4 look-a-like is this, which states, "Chery Tiggo is a complete copy of Toyota RAV4". But unless anyone has strong objections, I think the claim should be removed from the page instead of supporting it with this citation. From looking at the side-by-side comparison pictures that source provides, I fail to see how they came to the conclusion they did. It is obvious the Tiggo is not a "complete copy of the Toyota RAV4". Fleetham ( talk) 02:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Below discussions copied over. Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you recently reverted an edit of mine to the Chery page stating it "removed factual info". The only info I'm aware my edit removed was a mention in the lead that the company was the 4th largest Chinese automaker, which I know to be false. Please let me know if I inadvertently removed other info. Fleetham ( talk) 15:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering why your recent edits to Chery have removed mention of the failed effort to establish a JV with Subaru. Care to explain? Fleetham ( talk) 18:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
In 2012 Chery again sought to partner with a foreign automaker, something it had previously tried in 2007. While a proposed joint venture with Jaguar Land Rover is awaitingstill under consideration, [1] a tie-up with Subaru was canceled due to difficulty obtaining regulatory approval. [2] If the joint venture comes to fruition, Chery and UK-based luxury automaker Jaguar Land Rover will invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new joint venture the activities of which will include the manufacture of Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines in China, the establishment of a R&D facility and a new brand name, and the sale of vehicles produced by the company. [1] The proposed joint venture has yet to receive the go-ahead from the government, [1] which has recently "been stringent in screening foreign automakers setting up production units". [2] Fleetham ( talk) 18:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
In 2012 Chery again sought to partner with a foreign automaker, something it had previously tried in 2007. While a proposed joint venture with Jaguar Land Rover is still under consideration as of March 2012, [1] a tie-up with Subaru was canceled due to difficulty obtaining regulatory approval. [2] If the Jaguar Land Rover deal receives the go-ahead from the government, Chery and the UK-based luxury automaker will invest an initial US$2.78 billion in the project, which will manufacture Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines in China. [1] Fleetham ( talk) 18:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
"In 20**, Chery and the Japanese automaker Subaru agreed to form a joint venture, the primary activity of which would have been the production of Subaru-branded vehicles in China. The proposed venture was abandoned in 2012 due to difficulty in obtaining regulatory approval from Chinese authorities. [2] In March 2012, Chery and the UK-based luxury automaker Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture the activities of which will include the manufacture of Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines, the establishment of a research and development facility, the creation of a new automobile marque, and sales of vehicles produced by the company. [3] [4] The joint venture is awaiting regulatory approval."
Note that Chery and JLR have reached agreement, the issue at this point is regulatory approval. Rangoon11 ( talk) 19:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Something like that would be good, but I still take issue with the "agreed" bit. When I first read that, not knowing what I do now, I imagined that it meant the JV was a go. If you insist on that word I would prefer something along the lines of "While Chery and JLR have agreed to this JV, the Chinese government has not." I just want to ensure that the take away is that the JV is very much a future possibility, not a certainty, and when I read what you added, I imagined the latter. Fleetham ( talk) 23:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
"In 2011, Chery and the Japanese automaker Subaru agreed to form a joint venture, the primary activity of which would have been the production of Subaru-branded vehicles in China. The proposed venture was abandoned in 2012 due to difficulty in obtaining regulatory approval from Chinese authorities.[2] In March 2012, Chery and the British luxury automaker Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture the activities of which are intended to include the manufacture of Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines, the establishment of a research and development facility and the creation of a new automobile marque.[3][4] The joint venture must receive approval from Chinese regulators before proceeding, which as of July 2012 is pending." Rangoon11 ( talk) 11:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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Many of Fleetham's changes to this article are purely stylistic, and are non-improving. They seem to be motivated purely by a desire to put text into their preferred style of writing. Sadly it is neither a good style, nor one which is commonly used in WP.
For example, in their latest round of edits the following changes were made:
Fleetham persists in trying to remove information from the article which is relevant and useful to readers. For example, in their latest round of edits, the following facts were removed. Why?
"In October 2009 Chery announced plans for an assembly plant in Turkey to be built in cooperation with the Turkish automaker Mermerler Otomotiv at a cost of $500 million"
changed to
"In October 2009 plans for an assembly plant in Turkey to be built in cooperation with a Turkish company were announced"
"In March 2012, Chery and the UK-based luxury automaker
Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture "
changed to
"In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture " Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
In my view the lead requires both expansion and improvement. However I do not agree with the changes which Fleetham is making to the lead, which are, in my view, both low quality and place too much emphasis on impressionistic opinions rather than on facts.
I feel that regarding the lead the best way forward would be to hammer out a new version on this Talk page. I am happy to come up with a first draft, or for others to, or for multiple first drafts to be put forward. Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Here is a bare-bones draft of an expanded lead. This should be seen as a first draft, not as a proposal for the final version:
Chery is a multinational automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. It is the seventh-largest China-based automaker measurered by 2011 output, with a production of around 600,000 units in that year.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of its vehicles from China in 2001. It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 exported around 25% of its total production. Chery has a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of premium vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 the venture is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery sell its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich. Its products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs. Chery's largest selling model has been the Chery QQ city car. Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the mainland of China. Chery vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries, primarily in factories not owned by Chery utilising either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits. Chery has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development.
Chery is unusual among large Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of both General Motors and Toyota. Rangoon11 ( talk) 00:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Here is a revised proposed draft which removes the word 'multinational" and makes a few other tweaks based on comments received. Note that I have not included a number of your changes which were stylistic and in my view non-improving. Please make any comments separate and below the draft text as I am otherwise forced to check the article history to see changes.
Chery is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. It is the seventh-largest China-based automaker measurered by 2011 output, with a production of around 600,000 units in that year. Its products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs and it sells its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of its vehicles from China in 2001. It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 exported around 25% of its total production. It operates a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of electric vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 the venture is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the mainland of China. Its vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries, primarily in factories not owned by Chery which utilise either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits. Chery has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development. Its largest selling model to date has been the Chery QQ city car.
Chery is unusual among large Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of both General Motors and Toyota. Rangoon11 ( talk) 19:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Chery is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. It is the seventh-largest China-based automaker measurered by 2011 output, with a production of around 600,000 units in that year. Its products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs and it sells its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of its vehicles from China in 2001. It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 exported around 25% of its total production. It operates a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of electric vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 it is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the mainland of China. Its vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries, primarily in factories not owned by the company which utilise either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits. It has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development. Its largest selling model to date has been the Chery QQ city car.
Chery is unusual among large Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of both General Motors and Toyota. Rangoon11 ( talk) 22:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I've found a lot of info on the QQ, but nothing that unequivocally states it's Chery "most sold" car. The QQ is "Chery's cheapest model" and its "best-selling export model"; was a hot seller in 2004, 2005, and 2006 (when it made up 60% of all Chery cars sold); etc. etc.
In the absence of any better find, I move that the lead mentions that Chery is "well known for" the QQ model, citing this article: Geoff Dyer, in Shanghai. "FT.Com Site : China's Carmakers make Domestic Inroads." FT.Com (Mar 01, 2006). The following quote from the above talks about the building of the QQ brand:
"Yet in the case of the QQ, industry observers say there is more to its success than just a low price-tag. Unlike most other Chinese brands, whose marketing involves glitzy gimmicks that attract first- time buyers, Chery has managed to create a significant amount of buzz around the model, especially among young people.
The brand itself is also the name of an instant messaging service that is popular among young Chinese and the company has used the internet including collaborations with the Sina.com portal to reach new consumers. The bright colours have also helped establish an image.
"More than any other Chinese model, the QQ has managed to establish an identity for itself," says Chris Reitermann, managing director of the Beijing office of OgilvyOne, the advertising agency."
Another source from the same author states, "Chery is best known for its QQ mini-car" (Geoff Dyer, in Shanghai. "FT.Com Site : Proton in Talks with Chery Over Manufacturing." FT.Com (Mar 30, 2006)) Fleetham ( talk) 03:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Chery is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. The seventh-largest China-based automaker measured by 2011 output, it produced around 600,000 units in that year. FINE Its I WANT TO KEEP THIS 'IT'S', FEEL IT IS NECESSARY FOR GRAMMAR AND FLOW Products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs and it sells its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of vehicles from China in 2001. (Could also read "Chery began the sale and export of vehicles in 2001) READS BETTER AS IS AND START OF PRODUCTION IS SIGNIFICANT It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 (Needs to be double-checked/cited... I believe I calculated 2010 export ratio) CITE HERE: [2] exported around 25% of its total production. It operates a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of electric vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 it is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the FINE mainland of FINE China. Its vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries as well, NOT NEEDED primarily in factories not owned by the company which that NO, "WHICH" IS CORRECT utilise either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits made in China. It has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development. Chery's best-known model is the Chery QQ city car.
Chery is unusual among large FINE Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of General Motors.
Rangoon11 ( talk) 14:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I put up the lead, but the page currently lacks mention of the fact that Chery produces a sizable number of the Chinese passenger cars that aren't made in joint ventures. I believe you added a cite that showed Chery was the 4th largest Chinese vehicle manufacturer if you discounted JV production from its domestic competitors. Moreover, a close reading of page 10 in The Rise of China’s Auto Industry and Its Impact on the U.S. Motor Vehicle Industry seems to give support to the claim, which I've read in several press releases put out by Chery and its affiliates, that the company is China's largest independent automaker. (This may seem to clash with the OICA output report that puts Chery 4th, but both claims could be true: it would mean that commercial vehicle production at the top 3 were the reason Chery was 4th and not 1st.)
As the page currently lacks any info. about the above, I just wanted to endorse mentioning it on the page. It doesn't seem a natural fit with any of the current sections, so do you feel it warrants a lead mention or would it be best to make a new sub-section for it (perhaps also including that, unlike others, Chery production is almost exclusively passenger vehicles)? Fleetham ( talk) 17:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm wondering how to deal with the $500 million investment in Turkey, as sources are unclear as to whether this is the price tag for the project or Chery's contribution. For example, this Gasgoo article states that it is both. The headline proclaims that Chery will invest $500 million, but later states that "total investment in the project is estimated at about $500 million." This Turkish newspaper article says Chery will be footing the entire $500 million bill, as does this article. It seems that whatever the cost, "in the first stage Chery would invest [only $120 million"]. I'm inclined to believe that the total investment by both parties is planned to reach $500 million per the Gasgoo article, as they're more likely to have contacted Chery being a source that covers the Chinese car industry not "news of the nation of Turkey". I've also read a number of articles on the topic and none state the amount the Turkish project partner will stump up.
It's important to be able to make this distinction between total investment and Chery's investment because it's one thing to say, "Chery plans to invest $500 million in Turkey, but will only provide about 1/5th of that initially" and another to state, "Chery's initial contribution to the $500 million project will be $120 million." Fleetham ( talk) 16:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Whether by design or happenstance this article appears to be generally in British English. I would like to formalise this through the addition of a British English tag on this page unless there are objections from the other regular editors. Rangoon11 ( talk) 12:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
please,i will like to find out if you have given yuor franchise to any company in nigeria? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.89.187.98 ( talk) 15:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
To me it looks, as if this car can not drive.
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I am very interested in the Chinese way of production.
The models shown in this article don't agree with what I see.
The website below seems to be a Chery produced list of parts. http://cherylist.com/chery-automobile.aspx
The models shown does not agree very well with the models in this article.
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My my this article is full of unreferences information, as well as speculation! I personally love "After selling a million cars in the US, they intend to". They haven't even sold one yet. Chery flunked crash tests in the US and Europe when they tried to bring their car there...even Perodua of Malaysia body designs are ranked higher than Chery. Let's see how they compete against newly #1 Perodua in Malaysia, equipped with modern Japanese Daihatsu engines. Then, the automakers would compete with Hyundai/Kia on the low end, a very strong company with a rock solid reputation. Likely Hyundai/Kia would squash Chery in a nanosecond.
Hi, if you make a statement like that please suplly a proper link to the US Federal Crash Test Standards document, instead of a local magazine, NPOV ? Mion 09:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
"IP Rights" is a meaningless phrase. What rights were they accused of violating, if any? Themusicgod1 06:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
In this article: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/04/04/028879.html they talk about the 'Chery Fengyun' - which uses the same 1.6l four cylinder Tritec engine as the MINI Cooper and the Lifan 520. It's not mentioned here - any clue as to what it's like? SteveBaker 06:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I had assumed the article was, approximately, factually correct. Apparently that is also debated.
I just wished to request that the notion of "intellectual property" be done from a relatively neutral viewpoint rather than that of a pro-IP fanatic. The notion that "intellectual property" is as wrongheaded a notion as "slavery" is a legitimate part of the intellectual property debate, and it is NOT a given that everyone everywhere believes that current corporate interpretations of intellectual property law are legal, appropriate, or even binding when not strictly enforced.
There are too many vandalism. They are usually edit manufacturer and/or model name to fiction names. -- 118.172.167.215 ( talk) 13:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] References
^ Moldova.org - Auto - News - Chery -> The corect URL
http://auto.moldova.org/brands/chery-56-0-eng.html (Moldova.org - Auto - Chery)
^ Page Error : 찾으시는 Page의 URL이 잘못되었거나 없습니다
the second reference is Korean "Error 404".
202.129.54.210 ( talk) 09:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm just beginning to edit namespaces on Chinese topics -- and where possible, I'd like to simplify the technical linguistic information. For instance, before a reader even learns that Chery is an auto company, there are 4 separate dictionary entries (English pronunication, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Pinyin). That's a lot.
Are there any Wiki guidelines as to when it is appropriate to delete either the Simplified or Traditional Chinese? In the case of Chery, 奇瑞汽车 / 奇瑞汽車, they differ by only the final character. NinetyNineFennelSeeds ( talk) 21:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Many medias, include Chery Official Chinese website, are use Simplified Chinese 奇瑞汽车. I agree to delete the Traditional Chinese 奇瑞汽車. -- Love Krittaya ( talk) 08:56, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
In response to the person who deleted the un-sourced header to the controversies sections ("Several lawsuits and copying claims make Chery the exception to a harmonious group of otherwise considerate, car-making State-owned enterprises in China") I do feel it's important to keep it.
Many private Chinese automakers' products have exterior design obviously inspired by that of foreign automaker's offerings. Few, perhaps only Chery, government-owned automakers in China do likewise. This is an important distinction.
Would re-wording the sentence make it more acceptable? Something like: "While Chery is a State-owned enterprise it cleaves more closely to the unseemly behavior of China's private automakers." If you think a re-wording is in order, please let me know or just make the changes you feel are needed. Fleetham ( talk) 15:25, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Looking for citations to support the section about Chery copy-cat models other than the QQ, all I could find for the claim that the Chery Tiggo is a RAV4 look-a-like is this, which states, "Chery Tiggo is a complete copy of Toyota RAV4". But unless anyone has strong objections, I think the claim should be removed from the page instead of supporting it with this citation. From looking at the side-by-side comparison pictures that source provides, I fail to see how they came to the conclusion they did. It is obvious the Tiggo is not a "complete copy of the Toyota RAV4". Fleetham ( talk) 02:07, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Below discussions copied over. Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you recently reverted an edit of mine to the Chery page stating it "removed factual info". The only info I'm aware my edit removed was a mention in the lead that the company was the 4th largest Chinese automaker, which I know to be false. Please let me know if I inadvertently removed other info. Fleetham ( talk) 15:38, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Just wondering why your recent edits to Chery have removed mention of the failed effort to establish a JV with Subaru. Care to explain? Fleetham ( talk) 18:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
In 2012 Chery again sought to partner with a foreign automaker, something it had previously tried in 2007. While a proposed joint venture with Jaguar Land Rover is awaitingstill under consideration, [1] a tie-up with Subaru was canceled due to difficulty obtaining regulatory approval. [2] If the joint venture comes to fruition, Chery and UK-based luxury automaker Jaguar Land Rover will invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new joint venture the activities of which will include the manufacture of Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines in China, the establishment of a R&D facility and a new brand name, and the sale of vehicles produced by the company. [1] The proposed joint venture has yet to receive the go-ahead from the government, [1] which has recently "been stringent in screening foreign automakers setting up production units". [2] Fleetham ( talk) 18:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
In 2012 Chery again sought to partner with a foreign automaker, something it had previously tried in 2007. While a proposed joint venture with Jaguar Land Rover is still under consideration as of March 2012, [1] a tie-up with Subaru was canceled due to difficulty obtaining regulatory approval. [2] If the Jaguar Land Rover deal receives the go-ahead from the government, Chery and the UK-based luxury automaker will invest an initial US$2.78 billion in the project, which will manufacture Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines in China. [1] Fleetham ( talk) 18:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
"In 20**, Chery and the Japanese automaker Subaru agreed to form a joint venture, the primary activity of which would have been the production of Subaru-branded vehicles in China. The proposed venture was abandoned in 2012 due to difficulty in obtaining regulatory approval from Chinese authorities. [2] In March 2012, Chery and the UK-based luxury automaker Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture the activities of which will include the manufacture of Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines, the establishment of a research and development facility, the creation of a new automobile marque, and sales of vehicles produced by the company. [3] [4] The joint venture is awaiting regulatory approval."
Note that Chery and JLR have reached agreement, the issue at this point is regulatory approval. Rangoon11 ( talk) 19:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Something like that would be good, but I still take issue with the "agreed" bit. When I first read that, not knowing what I do now, I imagined that it meant the JV was a go. If you insist on that word I would prefer something along the lines of "While Chery and JLR have agreed to this JV, the Chinese government has not." I just want to ensure that the take away is that the JV is very much a future possibility, not a certainty, and when I read what you added, I imagined the latter. Fleetham ( talk) 23:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
"In 2011, Chery and the Japanese automaker Subaru agreed to form a joint venture, the primary activity of which would have been the production of Subaru-branded vehicles in China. The proposed venture was abandoned in 2012 due to difficulty in obtaining regulatory approval from Chinese authorities.[2] In March 2012, Chery and the British luxury automaker Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture the activities of which are intended to include the manufacture of Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles and engines, the establishment of a research and development facility and the creation of a new automobile marque.[3][4] The joint venture must receive approval from Chinese regulators before proceeding, which as of July 2012 is pending." Rangoon11 ( talk) 11:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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Many of Fleetham's changes to this article are purely stylistic, and are non-improving. They seem to be motivated purely by a desire to put text into their preferred style of writing. Sadly it is neither a good style, nor one which is commonly used in WP.
For example, in their latest round of edits the following changes were made:
Fleetham persists in trying to remove information from the article which is relevant and useful to readers. For example, in their latest round of edits, the following facts were removed. Why?
"In October 2009 Chery announced plans for an assembly plant in Turkey to be built in cooperation with the Turkish automaker Mermerler Otomotiv at a cost of $500 million"
changed to
"In October 2009 plans for an assembly plant in Turkey to be built in cooperation with a Turkish company were announced"
"In March 2012, Chery and the UK-based luxury automaker
Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture "
changed to
"In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to invest an initial US$2.78 billion in a new China-based joint venture " Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:39, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
In my view the lead requires both expansion and improvement. However I do not agree with the changes which Fleetham is making to the lead, which are, in my view, both low quality and place too much emphasis on impressionistic opinions rather than on facts.
I feel that regarding the lead the best way forward would be to hammer out a new version on this Talk page. I am happy to come up with a first draft, or for others to, or for multiple first drafts to be put forward. Rangoon11 ( talk) 13:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Here is a bare-bones draft of an expanded lead. This should be seen as a first draft, not as a proposal for the final version:
Chery is a multinational automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. It is the seventh-largest China-based automaker measurered by 2011 output, with a production of around 600,000 units in that year.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of its vehicles from China in 2001. It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 exported around 25% of its total production. Chery has a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of premium vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 the venture is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery sell its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich. Its products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs. Chery's largest selling model has been the Chery QQ city car. Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the mainland of China. Chery vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries, primarily in factories not owned by Chery utilising either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits. Chery has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development.
Chery is unusual among large Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of both General Motors and Toyota. Rangoon11 ( talk) 00:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Here is a revised proposed draft which removes the word 'multinational" and makes a few other tweaks based on comments received. Note that I have not included a number of your changes which were stylistic and in my view non-improving. Please make any comments separate and below the draft text as I am otherwise forced to check the article history to see changes.
Chery is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. It is the seventh-largest China-based automaker measurered by 2011 output, with a production of around 600,000 units in that year. Its products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs and it sells its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of its vehicles from China in 2001. It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 exported around 25% of its total production. It operates a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of electric vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 the venture is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the mainland of China. Its vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries, primarily in factories not owned by Chery which utilise either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits. Chery has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development. Its largest selling model to date has been the Chery QQ city car.
Chery is unusual among large Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of both General Motors and Toyota. Rangoon11 ( talk) 19:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Chery is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. It is the seventh-largest China-based automaker measurered by 2011 output, with a production of around 600,000 units in that year. Its products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs and it sells its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of its vehicles from China in 2001. It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 exported around 25% of its total production. It operates a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of electric vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 it is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the mainland of China. Its vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries, primarily in factories not owned by the company which utilise either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits. It has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development. Its largest selling model to date has been the Chery QQ city car.
Chery is unusual among large Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of both General Motors and Toyota. Rangoon11 ( talk) 22:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I've found a lot of info on the QQ, but nothing that unequivocally states it's Chery "most sold" car. The QQ is "Chery's cheapest model" and its "best-selling export model"; was a hot seller in 2004, 2005, and 2006 (when it made up 60% of all Chery cars sold); etc. etc.
In the absence of any better find, I move that the lead mentions that Chery is "well known for" the QQ model, citing this article: Geoff Dyer, in Shanghai. "FT.Com Site : China's Carmakers make Domestic Inroads." FT.Com (Mar 01, 2006). The following quote from the above talks about the building of the QQ brand:
"Yet in the case of the QQ, industry observers say there is more to its success than just a low price-tag. Unlike most other Chinese brands, whose marketing involves glitzy gimmicks that attract first- time buyers, Chery has managed to create a significant amount of buzz around the model, especially among young people.
The brand itself is also the name of an instant messaging service that is popular among young Chinese and the company has used the internet including collaborations with the Sina.com portal to reach new consumers. The bright colours have also helped establish an image.
"More than any other Chinese model, the QQ has managed to establish an identity for itself," says Chris Reitermann, managing director of the Beijing office of OgilvyOne, the advertising agency."
Another source from the same author states, "Chery is best known for its QQ mini-car" (Geoff Dyer, in Shanghai. "FT.Com Site : Proton in Talks with Chery Over Manufacturing." FT.Com (Mar 30, 2006)) Fleetham ( talk) 03:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Chery is an automotive manufacturing company headquartered in Wuhu, Anhui, China. It was founded in 1997 and is a state-owned corporation. The seventh-largest China-based automaker measured by 2011 output, it produced around 600,000 units in that year. FINE Its I WANT TO KEEP THIS 'IT'S', FEEL IT IS NECESSARY FOR GRAMMAR AND FLOW Products are primarily passenger cars, minivans, and SUVs and it sells its vehicles under four brand names: Chery, Karry, Rely and Riich.
Chery began the production of automobiles in 1999 and the export of vehicles from China in 2001. (Could also read "Chery began the sale and export of vehicles in 2001) READS BETTER AS IS AND START OF PRODUCTION IS SIGNIFICANT It has been China's largest passenger car exporter since 2003 and in 2011 (Needs to be double-checked/cited... I believe I calculated 2010 export ratio) CITE HERE: [2] exported around 25% of its total production. It operates a 50:50 joint venture with Israel Corporation, Qoros, which was formed in 2007 and is developing a range of electric vehicles for sale worldwide. In March 2012, Chery and Jaguar Land Rover agreed to form a new China-based joint venture; as of July 2012 it is awaiting regulatory approval from the Chinese government.
Chery has several vehicle assembly and component manufacturing facilities in the FINE mainland of FINE China. Its vehicles are assembled in around 15 other countries as well, NOT NEEDED primarily in factories not owned by the company which that NO, "WHICH" IS CORRECT utilise either complete or semi-complete knock-down kits made in China. It has two R&D centers in China and invests around 7% of its total revenues in product development. Chery's best-known model is the Chery QQ city car.
Chery is unusual among large FINE Chinese automakers in not having had a joint venture with a major western automaker for the past decade. The company has received criticism for having infringed the intellectual property rights of General Motors.
Rangoon11 ( talk) 14:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I put up the lead, but the page currently lacks mention of the fact that Chery produces a sizable number of the Chinese passenger cars that aren't made in joint ventures. I believe you added a cite that showed Chery was the 4th largest Chinese vehicle manufacturer if you discounted JV production from its domestic competitors. Moreover, a close reading of page 10 in The Rise of China’s Auto Industry and Its Impact on the U.S. Motor Vehicle Industry seems to give support to the claim, which I've read in several press releases put out by Chery and its affiliates, that the company is China's largest independent automaker. (This may seem to clash with the OICA output report that puts Chery 4th, but both claims could be true: it would mean that commercial vehicle production at the top 3 were the reason Chery was 4th and not 1st.)
As the page currently lacks any info. about the above, I just wanted to endorse mentioning it on the page. It doesn't seem a natural fit with any of the current sections, so do you feel it warrants a lead mention or would it be best to make a new sub-section for it (perhaps also including that, unlike others, Chery production is almost exclusively passenger vehicles)? Fleetham ( talk) 17:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm wondering how to deal with the $500 million investment in Turkey, as sources are unclear as to whether this is the price tag for the project or Chery's contribution. For example, this Gasgoo article states that it is both. The headline proclaims that Chery will invest $500 million, but later states that "total investment in the project is estimated at about $500 million." This Turkish newspaper article says Chery will be footing the entire $500 million bill, as does this article. It seems that whatever the cost, "in the first stage Chery would invest [only $120 million"]. I'm inclined to believe that the total investment by both parties is planned to reach $500 million per the Gasgoo article, as they're more likely to have contacted Chery being a source that covers the Chinese car industry not "news of the nation of Turkey". I've also read a number of articles on the topic and none state the amount the Turkish project partner will stump up.
It's important to be able to make this distinction between total investment and Chery's investment because it's one thing to say, "Chery plans to invest $500 million in Turkey, but will only provide about 1/5th of that initially" and another to state, "Chery's initial contribution to the $500 million project will be $120 million." Fleetham ( talk) 16:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Whether by design or happenstance this article appears to be generally in British English. I would like to formalise this through the addition of a British English tag on this page unless there are objections from the other regular editors. Rangoon11 ( talk) 12:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
please,i will like to find out if you have given yuor franchise to any company in nigeria? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.89.187.98 ( talk) 15:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
To me it looks, as if this car can not drive.
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I am very interested in the Chinese way of production.
The models shown in this article don't agree with what I see.
The website below seems to be a Chery produced list of parts. http://cherylist.com/chery-automobile.aspx
The models shown does not agree very well with the models in this article.
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Non-Delivery, Assembly Issues, Poor Customer Service, and After-Sales Problems by Modiran Khodro, Chery's Representative in Iran 45.93.171.242 ( talk) 17:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Complaint Letter Regarding Issues with Modiran Khodro, Chery's Representative in Iran
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