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Some aggressive nationalist has moved Chersonesos to its current Ukrainian (I suppose) spelling, unknown in English: Khersones. Is this an aid to the Wikipedia reader? Truly offensive. -- Wetman 23:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Сполучені Штати Америки is the page for United States of America in the Ukrainian Wikipedia. If I went in there and changed it to United States of America, I would be recognized as a vandal— and an aggressive horse's ass. Chersonesos may not be a household word among players of Grand Theft Auto, but it is the name of long standing that identifies these Greco-Scythian archaeological sites, a title recognizable to every educated person. It happens to be Greek. These are the conventions of English. Why do we have to have every toxic little nationalism inflicted on us? -- Wetman 23:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(I'm abashed to read how vituperative I was above: but this is not just one isolated incident, nor just one slightly flawed move. I've seen so much of this manner of cultural bullying that I'm quite cross and raw-spirited on the subject. -- Wetman 6 July 2005 22:42 (UTC))
It is hereby proposed to move Khersones to Chersonesos to reverse current redirect. Historic name, most frequent ref, the article name in Britannica, more reasons above. The article is already written as if named Chersonesos. Please vote below. - Irpen July 7, 2005 00:37 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Cherosonesos is applied to the whole of the Crimea Peninsula.
And as I recall, doesn't Euripides' Iphigeneia in Tauris take place here? -- FourthAve 08:48, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
This article could be enriched, and further differentiated from that on the Crimea by adding mention of the literary traditions associated with it (as above), and also from Herodotus, who refers to the Kerch Strait as the Cimmerian Bosphorus and the Sea of Azov as Lake Maeetis, fed by the Tanaïs (Don) River. -- FourthAve 22:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't post this last month, but I had no idea it was going on until now. You're all wrong! The traditional English is Chersonese. Just as Peloponnese doesn't belong at Peloponnesos or Peloponnesus, neither does this article belong at any of the alternative names. I don't know about Google testing, but applying the definitive Byron Test proves it beyond a doubt:
See? -- Jpbrenna 07:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
It is quite difficult understanding if the article's title refers to the city or the region. If it's the region, as I think, the article should be renamed Tauric Chersonese. If instead it means the town, the article should be renamed Cherson. I'm willing to do it, but first I wanted to hear your opinions Aldux 11:45, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I came here because I saw the image of the day -- the photo of the bell -- and I was curious about the bell. It seems odd to have nothing in the text of the article that relates to or discusses the picture that's featured most prominently. Can someone add something about it? JamesMLane t c 14:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC) I have published an article with some photos of mine about the bell a long time ago :) ISasha ( talk) 09:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Once the disambiguating Taurica was added, the Latin Chersonesus seems to make more sense. I looked through the discussions above and did not find strong sentiment on the -os/-us issue, so I was bold and made the move. If this doesn't work for someone, perhaps we should consider the fully English Tauric Chersonese (in fact no objection from here if someone wants to move there).
Google Books
(Feel free to add to the list above if this discussion continues.) Wareh ( talk) 21:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Saw someone else had proposed merging Chersonesos Taurica into this page, there's a little bit of thread on another user's talk page User_talk:NTox#Chersonesus_Taurica. I'm holding off doing anything to the other page until seeing the consensus on whether to merge or not. Beth Holmes 1 ( talk) 19:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move to Chersonesus. Number 5 7 16:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Chersonesus (Crimea) →
Chersonesos – Clearly the most notable place of this name. Existing page at Chersonesos should be moved to become a disambiguation page. – Relisted.
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A Russia map was added whenever, then removed, then reinstated without discussion ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chersonesus&diff=1093107376&oldid=1093066961). What's the policy on illegaly annexed territories? JidGom ( talk) 14:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Please note, the theatre that was allegedly built over the archaeological site by Russian authorities, was in fact built on a former military compound south of the archaeological site. Thus, it appears that the claim that the site was erased and built over is incorrect or is greatly exaggerated. -- Diamonddavej ( talk) 20:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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Some aggressive nationalist has moved Chersonesos to its current Ukrainian (I suppose) spelling, unknown in English: Khersones. Is this an aid to the Wikipedia reader? Truly offensive. -- Wetman 23:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Сполучені Штати Америки is the page for United States of America in the Ukrainian Wikipedia. If I went in there and changed it to United States of America, I would be recognized as a vandal— and an aggressive horse's ass. Chersonesos may not be a household word among players of Grand Theft Auto, but it is the name of long standing that identifies these Greco-Scythian archaeological sites, a title recognizable to every educated person. It happens to be Greek. These are the conventions of English. Why do we have to have every toxic little nationalism inflicted on us? -- Wetman 23:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(I'm abashed to read how vituperative I was above: but this is not just one isolated incident, nor just one slightly flawed move. I've seen so much of this manner of cultural bullying that I'm quite cross and raw-spirited on the subject. -- Wetman 6 July 2005 22:42 (UTC))
It is hereby proposed to move Khersones to Chersonesos to reverse current redirect. Historic name, most frequent ref, the article name in Britannica, more reasons above. The article is already written as if named Chersonesos. Please vote below. - Irpen July 7, 2005 00:37 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but my understanding is that Cherosonesos is applied to the whole of the Crimea Peninsula.
And as I recall, doesn't Euripides' Iphigeneia in Tauris take place here? -- FourthAve 08:48, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
This article could be enriched, and further differentiated from that on the Crimea by adding mention of the literary traditions associated with it (as above), and also from Herodotus, who refers to the Kerch Strait as the Cimmerian Bosphorus and the Sea of Azov as Lake Maeetis, fed by the Tanaïs (Don) River. -- FourthAve 22:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't post this last month, but I had no idea it was going on until now. You're all wrong! The traditional English is Chersonese. Just as Peloponnese doesn't belong at Peloponnesos or Peloponnesus, neither does this article belong at any of the alternative names. I don't know about Google testing, but applying the definitive Byron Test proves it beyond a doubt:
See? -- Jpbrenna 07:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
It is quite difficult understanding if the article's title refers to the city or the region. If it's the region, as I think, the article should be renamed Tauric Chersonese. If instead it means the town, the article should be renamed Cherson. I'm willing to do it, but first I wanted to hear your opinions Aldux 11:45, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I came here because I saw the image of the day -- the photo of the bell -- and I was curious about the bell. It seems odd to have nothing in the text of the article that relates to or discusses the picture that's featured most prominently. Can someone add something about it? JamesMLane t c 14:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC) I have published an article with some photos of mine about the bell a long time ago :) ISasha ( talk) 09:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Once the disambiguating Taurica was added, the Latin Chersonesus seems to make more sense. I looked through the discussions above and did not find strong sentiment on the -os/-us issue, so I was bold and made the move. If this doesn't work for someone, perhaps we should consider the fully English Tauric Chersonese (in fact no objection from here if someone wants to move there).
Google Books
(Feel free to add to the list above if this discussion continues.) Wareh ( talk) 21:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Saw someone else had proposed merging Chersonesos Taurica into this page, there's a little bit of thread on another user's talk page User_talk:NTox#Chersonesus_Taurica. I'm holding off doing anything to the other page until seeing the consensus on whether to merge or not. Beth Holmes 1 ( talk) 19:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move to Chersonesus. Number 5 7 16:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Chersonesus (Crimea) →
Chersonesos – Clearly the most notable place of this name. Existing page at Chersonesos should be moved to become a disambiguation page. – Relisted.
BDD (
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A Russia map was added whenever, then removed, then reinstated without discussion ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chersonesus&diff=1093107376&oldid=1093066961). What's the policy on illegaly annexed territories? JidGom ( talk) 14:16, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Please note, the theatre that was allegedly built over the archaeological site by Russian authorities, was in fact built on a former military compound south of the archaeological site. Thus, it appears that the claim that the site was erased and built over is incorrect or is greatly exaggerated. -- Diamonddavej ( talk) 20:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)