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Make certain any Cherokee Heritage groups are not listed if they are violating any laws, like peyote distribution or illegal casinos. Any that are engaged in illegal activities may not be practicing Cherokee Heritage and may not belong here. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 03:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Is this to be a list? a category? Many of the smaller groups don't need articles as WikiPedia isn't a collection of links. And the larger groups are already linked to in the Cherokee article. Why shouldn't an article like this mention all Cherokee groups, whether they see themselves as a "heritage group" or not? What exactly is this article to be, and how can we avoid an AFD? Sorry to ask all these questions, but the lead doesn't really tell us anything right now, and I'm not sure where to the article is to go? Smmurphy( Talk) 03:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is about non-Federally recognized Cherokee Heritage Groups. Please do not tag as the article is intended to provide a place on Wikipedia for non-Federally Recognized Cherokee Heritage Groups who meet the criteria for notability to be included. There is a on-going debate on the main Cherokee article. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 23:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I realize this was started as a place for Non-recognized groups. I began editing without reading the talk page. However, I believe since it is named "Cherokee Heritage Groups" it should be about that. Alternatively, the name could be changed to Cherokee Non-recognized Tribes, and another page created for Cherokee Heritage Groups. I appreciate the work already done. However, there is a very clear difference between a real Cherokee Heritage Group and a Non-recognized tribe. In my opinion, it is more important than ever that people know the difference between tribes, bands, tribal groups, heritage groups, Cherokee Nation and Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. These are often and easily blurred, which makes things easier for the imposters. There are clearly defined differences. I began my editing by attempting to explain some of these differences. If my edits to date need to be undone and another page created, I have no problem with it, as I should have read this talk page before I began. I would very much like to continue the work on this page if possible. Odestiny ( talk) 02:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The unrecognized tribes that are listed on this page as heritage groups need to be moved to the "Cherokee" article or to a separate article on "Cherokee Tribes not federally recognized" or similar. They are not heritage groups, they are tribes. The fact that they are not federally recognized as a tribe does not make them a heritage group. Calling them heritage groups adds to confusion, and is also biased. The fact is, there are some with legitimate claims that are still moving through the legal and political process. The problems associated with illegitimate tribes should not mean all currently unrecognized tribes become labeled as "heritage groups". Even the federally recognized tribal chiefs have acknowledged this. Odestiny ( talk) 18:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
In California, it is thought of the state has over 600,000 persons of Cherokee ancestry, the Cherokee-American Heritage Organization speaks for the state's Cherokee community. The CNO recorded about 20,000 enrolled tribal members in the state and to be "Cherokee" has a more ethnic or cultural meaning than actually belonging to the Cherokee Nation or Eastern band tribes. Cherokee Indians began to settle in California as early as the 1850s, later came the large migration of Cherokees out of Oklahoma during the dust bowl from the early 1920's peaked in 1933-37 to end in the late 1950's. Ther Cherokees were employed in agriculture throughout the San Joaquin Valley in farm towns or in cities like Fresno and Bakersfield, while others went to find industrial employment during World War II in the Los Angeles- Long Beach, San Francisco- Oakland and San Diego areas. + 71.102.53.48 ( talk) 07:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Update: I don't seem to find the CAHOC on Google, must been a fictious group or the chances are they folded operations. The Cherokees of Northern Central Valley of California claims to represent the Cherokee people in this part of the state. http://ncentralvalleyca.cherokee.org/ On Facebook, the Cherokee Society of the Greater Bay Area is based in San Francisco and surrounding area. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 06:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this removed edit? Maybe not every single entries had lacked enough sources, although one can search the web and find anything pertaining to the edits. I don't believe it needs total removal without investigation and agreement. Here's the listing I found in the article's edit history. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 13:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
(note: Everyculture.com Cherokee page has the listing for this heritage group, including mail address and phone number).
Cherokee Nation of New Jersey.
Founded in 1997. Seeks to educate people about the American Indian who is of African, Hispanic, Asian, and European mix, and to foster goodwill.
Contact: Chief C.W. Longbow.
Address: c/o C. W. Longbow, 1164 Stuyvesant Avenue, Irvington, New Jersey 071112392.
Telephone: (201) 374-1021.
Cherokee Cultural Society.
The purpose is to build community, preserve Cherokee heritage, and perpetrate the culture. Publishes a monthly email newsletter Cherokee Messenger.
Address: P.O. Box 23187, Houston, Texas 77228.
Telephone: (713) 866-4085.
Is this a faux-Indian tribal group or a bonafide cultural organization representing the Cherokee in Texas? + Mike D 26 ( talk) 19:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed from list groups claiming to be tribes or nations, and those petitioning to become tribes or nations. This article is about "Cherokee Heritage groups". Odestiny ( talk) 21:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Addition: On Facebook, an organization called the Valley of the Sun Cherokees based in Phoenix, Arizona claims to represent the Cherokee community in Arizona. http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Valley-of-the-Sun-Cherokees/100701063355029 In Colorado a social group the Colorado Cherokee Circle represents Coloradans of Cherokee heritage. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 06:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe this article should focus on legitimate Cherokee Heritage Groups rather than on false tribes. There can be an article on false tribes if needed, but to load this article full of discussion of that topic rather than what the title is about is misleading. As mentioned in the article and is also on the Cherokee Nation official website, "the Cherokee Nation encourages people of Cherokee heritage to take pride in their heritage and become active in heritage groups even if they are not eligible for citizenship. The Cherokee Nation does not question anyone’s claim of heritage or ancestry." All this information about tribal recognition or non-recognized tribes is irrelevant to Heritage Groups. The article clearly defines the difference between a heritage group and a tribe of any kind. It's my intention to move or remove the material on tribal citizenship and false tribes from this article unless someone has a good reason why not. Odestiny ( talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
We should strive especially in contentious articles to stick to the sources. Large sections of this article smell like privileged personal knowledge. I would invite others to read through and add the {{fact}} tag to a few sentences that seems suspect. Wjhonson ( talk) 20:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The Central Band of Cherokee were one type of heritage group, featured on a History Channel documentary available on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHNRf9H7nD4&NR=1 actually believe the theory on themselves are of ancient Israelite origins, and call themselves the "Lost Tribe of Israel". The Central Band of Cherokee are reputedly controversial in the Native American community for quite some time, due to a high porportion of its members are of mainly European descent calling themselves "Indians" or "Native Americans", but to include a philo-Semitic Christian Zionist ideology of the Cherokees should reunite with the Jewish people of the world and to reconnect with the modern-day state of Israel instead. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 07:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I don't have time to go through this thoroughly right now, but at first look, this article seems to be inaccurately conflating heritage groups (which can be anything from CNO Satellite Communities to fake tribes trying to get a casino) with cultural and medicine societies that exist within real tribal communities. I'll come back to it, but this could use more eyes on it. - CorbieV ☊ 23:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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Make certain any Cherokee Heritage groups are not listed if they are violating any laws, like peyote distribution or illegal casinos. Any that are engaged in illegal activities may not be practicing Cherokee Heritage and may not belong here. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 03:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Is this to be a list? a category? Many of the smaller groups don't need articles as WikiPedia isn't a collection of links. And the larger groups are already linked to in the Cherokee article. Why shouldn't an article like this mention all Cherokee groups, whether they see themselves as a "heritage group" or not? What exactly is this article to be, and how can we avoid an AFD? Sorry to ask all these questions, but the lead doesn't really tell us anything right now, and I'm not sure where to the article is to go? Smmurphy( Talk) 03:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is about non-Federally recognized Cherokee Heritage Groups. Please do not tag as the article is intended to provide a place on Wikipedia for non-Federally Recognized Cherokee Heritage Groups who meet the criteria for notability to be included. There is a on-going debate on the main Cherokee article. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 23:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I realize this was started as a place for Non-recognized groups. I began editing without reading the talk page. However, I believe since it is named "Cherokee Heritage Groups" it should be about that. Alternatively, the name could be changed to Cherokee Non-recognized Tribes, and another page created for Cherokee Heritage Groups. I appreciate the work already done. However, there is a very clear difference between a real Cherokee Heritage Group and a Non-recognized tribe. In my opinion, it is more important than ever that people know the difference between tribes, bands, tribal groups, heritage groups, Cherokee Nation and Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. These are often and easily blurred, which makes things easier for the imposters. There are clearly defined differences. I began my editing by attempting to explain some of these differences. If my edits to date need to be undone and another page created, I have no problem with it, as I should have read this talk page before I began. I would very much like to continue the work on this page if possible. Odestiny ( talk) 02:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
The unrecognized tribes that are listed on this page as heritage groups need to be moved to the "Cherokee" article or to a separate article on "Cherokee Tribes not federally recognized" or similar. They are not heritage groups, they are tribes. The fact that they are not federally recognized as a tribe does not make them a heritage group. Calling them heritage groups adds to confusion, and is also biased. The fact is, there are some with legitimate claims that are still moving through the legal and political process. The problems associated with illegitimate tribes should not mean all currently unrecognized tribes become labeled as "heritage groups". Even the federally recognized tribal chiefs have acknowledged this. Odestiny ( talk) 18:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
In California, it is thought of the state has over 600,000 persons of Cherokee ancestry, the Cherokee-American Heritage Organization speaks for the state's Cherokee community. The CNO recorded about 20,000 enrolled tribal members in the state and to be "Cherokee" has a more ethnic or cultural meaning than actually belonging to the Cherokee Nation or Eastern band tribes. Cherokee Indians began to settle in California as early as the 1850s, later came the large migration of Cherokees out of Oklahoma during the dust bowl from the early 1920's peaked in 1933-37 to end in the late 1950's. Ther Cherokees were employed in agriculture throughout the San Joaquin Valley in farm towns or in cities like Fresno and Bakersfield, while others went to find industrial employment during World War II in the Los Angeles- Long Beach, San Francisco- Oakland and San Diego areas. + 71.102.53.48 ( talk) 07:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Update: I don't seem to find the CAHOC on Google, must been a fictious group or the chances are they folded operations. The Cherokees of Northern Central Valley of California claims to represent the Cherokee people in this part of the state. http://ncentralvalleyca.cherokee.org/ On Facebook, the Cherokee Society of the Greater Bay Area is based in San Francisco and surrounding area. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 06:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this removed edit? Maybe not every single entries had lacked enough sources, although one can search the web and find anything pertaining to the edits. I don't believe it needs total removal without investigation and agreement. Here's the listing I found in the article's edit history. + Mike D 26 ( talk) 13:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
(note: Everyculture.com Cherokee page has the listing for this heritage group, including mail address and phone number).
Cherokee Nation of New Jersey.
Founded in 1997. Seeks to educate people about the American Indian who is of African, Hispanic, Asian, and European mix, and to foster goodwill.
Contact: Chief C.W. Longbow.
Address: c/o C. W. Longbow, 1164 Stuyvesant Avenue, Irvington, New Jersey 071112392.
Telephone: (201) 374-1021.
Cherokee Cultural Society.
The purpose is to build community, preserve Cherokee heritage, and perpetrate the culture. Publishes a monthly email newsletter Cherokee Messenger.
Address: P.O. Box 23187, Houston, Texas 77228.
Telephone: (713) 866-4085.
Is this a faux-Indian tribal group or a bonafide cultural organization representing the Cherokee in Texas? + Mike D 26 ( talk) 19:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed from list groups claiming to be tribes or nations, and those petitioning to become tribes or nations. This article is about "Cherokee Heritage groups". Odestiny ( talk) 21:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Addition: On Facebook, an organization called the Valley of the Sun Cherokees based in Phoenix, Arizona claims to represent the Cherokee community in Arizona. http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Valley-of-the-Sun-Cherokees/100701063355029 In Colorado a social group the Colorado Cherokee Circle represents Coloradans of Cherokee heritage. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 06:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I believe this article should focus on legitimate Cherokee Heritage Groups rather than on false tribes. There can be an article on false tribes if needed, but to load this article full of discussion of that topic rather than what the title is about is misleading. As mentioned in the article and is also on the Cherokee Nation official website, "the Cherokee Nation encourages people of Cherokee heritage to take pride in their heritage and become active in heritage groups even if they are not eligible for citizenship. The Cherokee Nation does not question anyone’s claim of heritage or ancestry." All this information about tribal recognition or non-recognized tribes is irrelevant to Heritage Groups. The article clearly defines the difference between a heritage group and a tribe of any kind. It's my intention to move or remove the material on tribal citizenship and false tribes from this article unless someone has a good reason why not. Odestiny ( talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
We should strive especially in contentious articles to stick to the sources. Large sections of this article smell like privileged personal knowledge. I would invite others to read through and add the {{fact}} tag to a few sentences that seems suspect. Wjhonson ( talk) 20:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
The Central Band of Cherokee were one type of heritage group, featured on a History Channel documentary available on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHNRf9H7nD4&NR=1 actually believe the theory on themselves are of ancient Israelite origins, and call themselves the "Lost Tribe of Israel". The Central Band of Cherokee are reputedly controversial in the Native American community for quite some time, due to a high porportion of its members are of mainly European descent calling themselves "Indians" or "Native Americans", but to include a philo-Semitic Christian Zionist ideology of the Cherokees should reunite with the Jewish people of the world and to reconnect with the modern-day state of Israel instead. 71.102.1.101 ( talk) 07:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I don't have time to go through this thoroughly right now, but at first look, this article seems to be inaccurately conflating heritage groups (which can be anything from CNO Satellite Communities to fake tribes trying to get a casino) with cultural and medicine societies that exist within real tribal communities. I'll come back to it, but this could use more eyes on it. - CorbieV ☊ 23:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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