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It's not quite clear to me why the page says Balkan in reference to crnobog. Shouldn't it say South Slavic languages? Or is it the same in the Sprachbund or something? -- Shallot 22:38, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Also, I'd rename the page to "Black God" or something like that to avoid picking one semi-randomly chosen spelling. Anyone against it? -- Shallot 22:39, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I know that even though the etymology doesn't quite fit, however, I'd like to give it a try. Is it in any way possible that Crnobog(even though knowledge about him is meager, and there is a possibility that he may not even have been an actual god, and may just have been an error simple misinformation or fakelore akin to the Germanic Eoster) is related to either the Celtic Cernunnos or the Greek Cronus? And may have been misinterpreted by Christian writers, akin to how Pan and Cernunnos was identified with Satan? He sounds atleast in some way similar to the Latvian Ceroklis, or at least Cernunnos does. Though I realize that there is a possibility that, if a god akin to Cernunnos or Pan even existed in Slavic mythology, that accounts of him may be lost forever. But, as of now, except for the Leszi, do we know of any important woodland spirit or shepherd god or good of the wild at all? Satanael 21:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some mention (unless I missed it) of Czernobog's association with winter? (compared to Bielebog's association with summer) Or am I totally off-base and this relation doesn't exist? :) -singe@ix.netcom.com 14:20, 20 March 2006 (PST)
Czernebock is also known in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, some old ppl may know him (mostly speakers of "Ostniederdeutsch").
He is mentioned in mostly superstitious ways or in curses, my grandpa telled about him as a deamon in figure of a black goat and used sometimes superstitious gestures to avoid him. —Preceding
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Chernobog is much more common used in English language sources, so I moved the article.
bogdan 09:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Can this phrase perhaps mean simply 'in spite of God?' i.e. a variation of the phrase of 'na zlo?' I have actually seen American translators embarass themselves by translating this idiom literally as 'to be wicked' rather then 'in spite of' on several occasions. Your thoughts?
-Yevgeny the Mad Russian (unregistered and insane rather than simply angry to avoid misunderstandings) 24.185.181.99 21:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
From the article:
The two sentences contradict each other. Also, in the last sentence, a better translation may be "This is damned stupid", and it respects the order of the words in the original sentence. - Pgan002 ( talk) 04:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Added the book by Ogechukwu as a ref. I didn't see any discussion on this ref here, I think it's OK. If not, anyone is free to remove it. – jfsamper ( talk• contrib• email) 18:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
I marked the popular culture section with the trivia template a few days ago, and on closer inspection, don't really see how to wrap most, if any, of the existing trivia items--most of which are to video game appearances, with a couple as appearances in literature--into the article itself in any meaningful way. I hate to say, "scrap the section," but I just don't see what they bring to the article.
Exerda ( talk) 17:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
He explains that his brother was blond (therefore considered the good one) and he himself had dark hair (considered "the rogue"). Now they both have grey hair and are quite hard to keep apart. -- Kaylee Fry ( talk) 16:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
-- Unnatural20 ( talk) 20:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I seriously don't see what some of you guy's problem is with expanding the "In popular culture" section, the way I see it the point of the section is encyclopedic cultural studies. How Slavic mythology still appears in modern western culture, and how the myth is modified into modern times by modern storytellers. I also don't see the anti-video game bias that seems to be here (only saying that "he appears in a lot of video games"), just because Chernobog appears a lot in video games, doesn't mean that his appearances in them are less notable than in film or novels. If you think about it, it should make video game Chernobogs more notable. Also, given that the article is hardly long, I think that talking about Chernobog from a modern cultural perspective to be beneficial to the article. Just my two cents. Comrade Graham ( talk) 20:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
the following two sentences seem to me to be the work of a vandal, aside being not entirely correct: "A very old diety thanks to the fact that the slavic where one of the oldest in europe!A simple correction the slavic tribes where at the terrytorys of modern Bulgaria and the surrounding countrys!" Therefore I will delete it. 195.81.3.249 ( talk) 09:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
The first sentence now begins
Of course these spellings are not all from Russian! Perhaps it could be written something like
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I removed a lot of stuff from that paragraph. Remember, Wikipedia has rules on this: WP:POPCULTURE. If you want to add something new, make sure gods are important figures in this thing and reference is required. Sławobóg ( talk) 21:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
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It's not quite clear to me why the page says Balkan in reference to crnobog. Shouldn't it say South Slavic languages? Or is it the same in the Sprachbund or something? -- Shallot 22:38, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Also, I'd rename the page to "Black God" or something like that to avoid picking one semi-randomly chosen spelling. Anyone against it? -- Shallot 22:39, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I know that even though the etymology doesn't quite fit, however, I'd like to give it a try. Is it in any way possible that Crnobog(even though knowledge about him is meager, and there is a possibility that he may not even have been an actual god, and may just have been an error simple misinformation or fakelore akin to the Germanic Eoster) is related to either the Celtic Cernunnos or the Greek Cronus? And may have been misinterpreted by Christian writers, akin to how Pan and Cernunnos was identified with Satan? He sounds atleast in some way similar to the Latvian Ceroklis, or at least Cernunnos does. Though I realize that there is a possibility that, if a god akin to Cernunnos or Pan even existed in Slavic mythology, that accounts of him may be lost forever. But, as of now, except for the Leszi, do we know of any important woodland spirit or shepherd god or good of the wild at all? Satanael 21:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some mention (unless I missed it) of Czernobog's association with winter? (compared to Bielebog's association with summer) Or am I totally off-base and this relation doesn't exist? :) -singe@ix.netcom.com 14:20, 20 March 2006 (PST)
Czernebock is also known in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, some old ppl may know him (mostly speakers of "Ostniederdeutsch").
He is mentioned in mostly superstitious ways or in curses, my grandpa telled about him as a deamon in figure of a black goat and used sometimes superstitious gestures to avoid him. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
83.221.81.132 (
talk)
18:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Chernobog is much more common used in English language sources, so I moved the article.
bogdan 09:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Can this phrase perhaps mean simply 'in spite of God?' i.e. a variation of the phrase of 'na zlo?' I have actually seen American translators embarass themselves by translating this idiom literally as 'to be wicked' rather then 'in spite of' on several occasions. Your thoughts?
-Yevgeny the Mad Russian (unregistered and insane rather than simply angry to avoid misunderstandings) 24.185.181.99 21:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
From the article:
The two sentences contradict each other. Also, in the last sentence, a better translation may be "This is damned stupid", and it respects the order of the words in the original sentence. - Pgan002 ( talk) 04:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Added the book by Ogechukwu as a ref. I didn't see any discussion on this ref here, I think it's OK. If not, anyone is free to remove it. – jfsamper ( talk• contrib• email) 18:18, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
I marked the popular culture section with the trivia template a few days ago, and on closer inspection, don't really see how to wrap most, if any, of the existing trivia items--most of which are to video game appearances, with a couple as appearances in literature--into the article itself in any meaningful way. I hate to say, "scrap the section," but I just don't see what they bring to the article.
Exerda ( talk) 17:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
He explains that his brother was blond (therefore considered the good one) and he himself had dark hair (considered "the rogue"). Now they both have grey hair and are quite hard to keep apart. -- Kaylee Fry ( talk) 16:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
-- Unnatural20 ( talk) 20:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I seriously don't see what some of you guy's problem is with expanding the "In popular culture" section, the way I see it the point of the section is encyclopedic cultural studies. How Slavic mythology still appears in modern western culture, and how the myth is modified into modern times by modern storytellers. I also don't see the anti-video game bias that seems to be here (only saying that "he appears in a lot of video games"), just because Chernobog appears a lot in video games, doesn't mean that his appearances in them are less notable than in film or novels. If you think about it, it should make video game Chernobogs more notable. Also, given that the article is hardly long, I think that talking about Chernobog from a modern cultural perspective to be beneficial to the article. Just my two cents. Comrade Graham ( talk) 20:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi all,
the following two sentences seem to me to be the work of a vandal, aside being not entirely correct: "A very old diety thanks to the fact that the slavic where one of the oldest in europe!A simple correction the slavic tribes where at the terrytorys of modern Bulgaria and the surrounding countrys!" Therefore I will delete it. 195.81.3.249 ( talk) 09:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
The first sentence now begins
Of course these spellings are not all from Russian! Perhaps it could be written something like
— Tamfang ( talk) 08:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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I removed a lot of stuff from that paragraph. Remember, Wikipedia has rules on this: WP:POPCULTURE. If you want to add something new, make sure gods are important figures in this thing and reference is required. Sławobóg ( talk) 21:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)