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three is an update. i'm unfamilar with how to edit the article in the correct format and i'm posting this between classes now. he was sentanced to 4 years and 3 months in prison.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5281440.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6104868.stm
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Khazar2 ( talk) 05:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Some news sources have been calling Guangcheng a Pro-life activist. Is this true? Thismightbezach ( talk) 22:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
according to the relevant policies and regulations statements such as this need a source especially on such a contentious topic for the american right. Happy monsoon day ( talk) 21:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I looked around a bit on the web after the News said he had multiple children. However I could find nothing beyond that several articles use the phrase "his children". Given the stuff out there about chinese culture and the one child policy I think if he has multiple children their ages and whether they are male or female might be relevant. Especially given that he is asking to goto USA. It could also explain some of his stance against the one child policy. John5Russell3Finley ( talk) 23:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
i made some recent edits to try to improve the page and make it more neutral as i understand the policy exhorts editors to be. please see here for example words such as 'experience' 'wrong' 'regardless' 'undue' and so forth seemed to be implicitly normative on the side of chen's activism which we as objective writers should not do so i attempted to clarify these points with more precise language if there are any errors please let me know. Happy monsoon day ( talk) 21:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
bale is a hollywood actor. he knows a thing or two about image and public relations. he attempted to visit chenguangcheng //with CNN reporters in toe// right after being criticized for shooting a chinese propaganda movie with i believe zhang yimou. i think this happenstance of events might want to be briefly mentioned, lest the article leave our crucial background. any ideas? 22:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy monsoon day ( talk • contribs)
Hi! About:
It says that Chen Guangcheng boarded United flight 88 to Newark Airport.
Is this level of detail too much for the article? WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
recently that respected british publication (which i subscribe to here in the u.s.) did a brilliant exploration of how chen escaped and the diplomatic wrangling and so forth which went on behind the scenes. im going to start adding some material from that article and hopefully no one will object. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy monsoon day ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
lede was too long just moved a paragraph to the bottom Happy monsoon day ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Chen wrote an editorial:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
seems unnecessary but ill see about adding some parts of the editorial Happy monsoon day —Preceding undated comment added 00:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
The article's soruces are a little heavily news-based - I've popped over to Google Books to pull out the following in case the come in useful.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vOYj6TO9I2IC&pg=PA389&dq=Chen+Guangcheng&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Z9zmT-atD4XO8QPO4czDCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Chen%20Guangcheng&f=false http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LK9EbyPGBm0C&pg=PA105&dq=Chen+Guangcheng+taxes&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e93mT7bPBMP18QPpprWnCg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Chen%20Guangcheng%20taxes&f=false
and…
Back soon. Fayedizard ( talk) 09:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Wall Street journal has date of escape as 22nd... [1], but BBC has 20th... [2] - can we reconcile these? I'm presuming the problem is that it took several days to *actually* escape... Fayedizard ( talk) 20:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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From a quick scan of the article, it looks to be pretty close to GA standards. However, a few things popped out at me that will need corrected:
Once these issues are addressed, I will conduct a more formal review. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 00:54, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Wow - since the GA review started Homunculus has done an amazing job with the article (Changes here [3]). ThaddeusB, does this go some way to satisfying your concerns? Fayedizard ( talk) 15:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm looking at this paragraph:
As of 20 May 2012, Chen resides at a housing complex in Greenwich Village, Manhattan in New York City with his family. The complex houses faculty and students of New York University. [1] Chen and his wife spend two hours every morning studying English, while their children, 6 and 10, are picking up English in a New York public school. Chen spends his afternoons meeting one-on-one with legal scholars learning about the American legal system, and plans to write a book. [2]
and considering removing it as a bit recent and a bit trivial, does anyone have any thoughts? Fayedizard ( talk) 08:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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A couple notes:
-- Thedropsoffire ( talk) 14:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Khazar, the family section evolved at the end of the article during the expansion a couple months ago. I think I had recently been looking at a few FA-class biographies that do similar, putting family and personal life at the end of the page (eg. Barack Obama), so I did likewise. But I agree it's not the most intuitive or natural order of things. His relationship with his wife, and the fact that the couple had two children (possibly in violation of the one-child policy), is valuable as background to some of his later activism. And the material about the harassment of family members can also be folded into the chronological narrative. Here's a slight tweak to that proposed structure, one that would allow us to more naturally integrate the family section in rough chronological order:
Thoughts? Homunculus ( duihua) 15:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
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I'm away for a little while and - wow - well done everybody! Spectacular! Fayedizard ( talk) 19:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
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According to this article, which relies heavily on Chen's little press autohagiographies, Chen was in complete harmony with the villagers and even something of a political representative of them. Not so, according to a report from the Global Times, which surveys the opinions of Chen from Dongshigu residents circa December 2011.
[A]ccording to other villagers, Chen's imprisonment a few years ago had nothing to do with his [litigation] work. It was actually a pretty common local conflict. They told me that Chen built a deep well using funds he received from a British source. But that well sucked out water from other wells in the village, which meant Chen effectively controlled the village's water.
They claimed that Chen charged high fees for the water and caused discontent from villagers, some of them then openly voiced their unhappiness and that angered Chen. So he asked his family members to attack the village committee and blocked public roads in order to vent his anger.
Chen's relationship with the locals worsened when Chen was protesting his jail term after he was released, particularly when he called people outside the village and even outside the country to cry for him.
While this article cannot be considered a definitive account of the reasons for his arrest or of the villagers' perceptions of it - only because we also have sources partially attributing his legal troubles to his pronatalist harassment of family planning resources - ours cannot be considered complete or neutral (to a "Good Article" standard) while excluding this information. Shrigley ( talk) 00:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Chen was upset with workers who were sent to carry out poverty-relief programs in East Shigu Village, in Shuanghou Town of Yinan County.... on February 5, 2006, Chen (who is known to be blind) rushed to the office of the village committee and damaged doors and windows.... Chen then went to the home of Chen Guangyu and instigated Chen Guanghe, Chen Guangdong and Chen Gengjiang to damage and smash cars belonging to the Shuanghou Police Station and the town government.... Chen Guanghe and Chen Guangdong also instigated other villagers to damage government cars, and they chased and beat officials from the town government.... Using clubs and stones, the mob smashed the windows of three cars from the police station and the town government, overturned the cars in roadside ditches, and beat police officers from the Police Bureau of the county...
[O]n the evening of March 11, Chen Guangyu, who was then drunk, claimed he was beaten by some people, and he attacked the office of the village committee and damaged things in the office.... at about 6:00 pm... Chen Guangcheng organized a group of people, including Chen Guangyu, Chen Guangjun and Yuan Weijing, under the excuse of seeking justice for Chen Guangyu. They interrupted traffic in the Yinghou Village section of the National Highway 205.... Chen Guangcheng stood in the middle of the road to stop vehicles and directed the mob, including Chen Guangjun and Chen Guangyu to yell out and stop traffic.... police arrived to reopen the road, and to try to persuade Chen Guangcheng to desist from leading the mob and stopping the traffic. Chen refused to comply and continued to direct the mob to block vehicles.... the mob stopped the traffic for three hours and delayed more than 290 vehicles, including an ambulance carrying a pregnant woman to hospital.
No problem, I agree caution is called for; it's a controversial case! More soon -- Khazar2 ( talk) 04:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I forgot all about that book coming out--that should definitely be a help if it indeed arrives. -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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three is an update. i'm unfamilar with how to edit the article in the correct format and i'm posting this between classes now. he was sentanced to 4 years and 3 months in prison.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5281440.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6104868.stm
After reviewing the Google Translation of the Chinese wikipedia article, there doesn't appear to be much of substance that we don't already have in this one. I'd suggest simply adding remaining missing information manually instead of leaving this tag atop it, unless the editor would like to be more specific about her/his concerns.
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Khazar2 ( talk) 05:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Some news sources have been calling Guangcheng a Pro-life activist. Is this true? Thismightbezach ( talk) 22:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
according to the relevant policies and regulations statements such as this need a source especially on such a contentious topic for the american right. Happy monsoon day ( talk) 21:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I looked around a bit on the web after the News said he had multiple children. However I could find nothing beyond that several articles use the phrase "his children". Given the stuff out there about chinese culture and the one child policy I think if he has multiple children their ages and whether they are male or female might be relevant. Especially given that he is asking to goto USA. It could also explain some of his stance against the one child policy. John5Russell3Finley ( talk) 23:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
i made some recent edits to try to improve the page and make it more neutral as i understand the policy exhorts editors to be. please see here for example words such as 'experience' 'wrong' 'regardless' 'undue' and so forth seemed to be implicitly normative on the side of chen's activism which we as objective writers should not do so i attempted to clarify these points with more precise language if there are any errors please let me know. Happy monsoon day ( talk) 21:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
bale is a hollywood actor. he knows a thing or two about image and public relations. he attempted to visit chenguangcheng //with CNN reporters in toe// right after being criticized for shooting a chinese propaganda movie with i believe zhang yimou. i think this happenstance of events might want to be briefly mentioned, lest the article leave our crucial background. any ideas? 22:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy monsoon day ( talk • contribs)
Hi! About:
It says that Chen Guangcheng boarded United flight 88 to Newark Airport.
Is this level of detail too much for the article? WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
recently that respected british publication (which i subscribe to here in the u.s.) did a brilliant exploration of how chen escaped and the diplomatic wrangling and so forth which went on behind the scenes. im going to start adding some material from that article and hopefully no one will object. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy monsoon day ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
lede was too long just moved a paragraph to the bottom Happy monsoon day ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Chen wrote an editorial:
WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
seems unnecessary but ill see about adding some parts of the editorial Happy monsoon day —Preceding undated comment added 00:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
The article's soruces are a little heavily news-based - I've popped over to Google Books to pull out the following in case the come in useful.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vOYj6TO9I2IC&pg=PA389&dq=Chen+Guangcheng&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Z9zmT-atD4XO8QPO4czDCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Chen%20Guangcheng&f=false http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LK9EbyPGBm0C&pg=PA105&dq=Chen+Guangcheng+taxes&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e93mT7bPBMP18QPpprWnCg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Chen%20Guangcheng%20taxes&f=false
and…
Back soon. Fayedizard ( talk) 09:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Wall Street journal has date of escape as 22nd... [1], but BBC has 20th... [2] - can we reconcile these? I'm presuming the problem is that it took several days to *actually* escape... Fayedizard ( talk) 20:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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From a quick scan of the article, it looks to be pretty close to GA standards. However, a few things popped out at me that will need corrected:
Once these issues are addressed, I will conduct a more formal review. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 00:54, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Wow - since the GA review started Homunculus has done an amazing job with the article (Changes here [3]). ThaddeusB, does this go some way to satisfying your concerns? Fayedizard ( talk) 15:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm looking at this paragraph:
As of 20 May 2012, Chen resides at a housing complex in Greenwich Village, Manhattan in New York City with his family. The complex houses faculty and students of New York University. [1] Chen and his wife spend two hours every morning studying English, while their children, 6 and 10, are picking up English in a New York public school. Chen spends his afternoons meeting one-on-one with legal scholars learning about the American legal system, and plans to write a book. [2]
and considering removing it as a bit recent and a bit trivial, does anyone have any thoughts? Fayedizard ( talk) 08:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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-- Thedropsoffire ( talk) 14:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Khazar, the family section evolved at the end of the article during the expansion a couple months ago. I think I had recently been looking at a few FA-class biographies that do similar, putting family and personal life at the end of the page (eg. Barack Obama), so I did likewise. But I agree it's not the most intuitive or natural order of things. His relationship with his wife, and the fact that the couple had two children (possibly in violation of the one-child policy), is valuable as background to some of his later activism. And the material about the harassment of family members can also be folded into the chronological narrative. Here's a slight tweak to that proposed structure, one that would allow us to more naturally integrate the family section in rough chronological order:
Thoughts? Homunculus ( duihua) 15:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Overall Review
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WP:WIAGA for criteria
I'm away for a little while and - wow - well done everybody! Spectacular! Fayedizard ( talk) 19:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
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According to this article, which relies heavily on Chen's little press autohagiographies, Chen was in complete harmony with the villagers and even something of a political representative of them. Not so, according to a report from the Global Times, which surveys the opinions of Chen from Dongshigu residents circa December 2011.
[A]ccording to other villagers, Chen's imprisonment a few years ago had nothing to do with his [litigation] work. It was actually a pretty common local conflict. They told me that Chen built a deep well using funds he received from a British source. But that well sucked out water from other wells in the village, which meant Chen effectively controlled the village's water.
They claimed that Chen charged high fees for the water and caused discontent from villagers, some of them then openly voiced their unhappiness and that angered Chen. So he asked his family members to attack the village committee and blocked public roads in order to vent his anger.
Chen's relationship with the locals worsened when Chen was protesting his jail term after he was released, particularly when he called people outside the village and even outside the country to cry for him.
While this article cannot be considered a definitive account of the reasons for his arrest or of the villagers' perceptions of it - only because we also have sources partially attributing his legal troubles to his pronatalist harassment of family planning resources - ours cannot be considered complete or neutral (to a "Good Article" standard) while excluding this information. Shrigley ( talk) 00:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Chen was upset with workers who were sent to carry out poverty-relief programs in East Shigu Village, in Shuanghou Town of Yinan County.... on February 5, 2006, Chen (who is known to be blind) rushed to the office of the village committee and damaged doors and windows.... Chen then went to the home of Chen Guangyu and instigated Chen Guanghe, Chen Guangdong and Chen Gengjiang to damage and smash cars belonging to the Shuanghou Police Station and the town government.... Chen Guanghe and Chen Guangdong also instigated other villagers to damage government cars, and they chased and beat officials from the town government.... Using clubs and stones, the mob smashed the windows of three cars from the police station and the town government, overturned the cars in roadside ditches, and beat police officers from the Police Bureau of the county...
[O]n the evening of March 11, Chen Guangyu, who was then drunk, claimed he was beaten by some people, and he attacked the office of the village committee and damaged things in the office.... at about 6:00 pm... Chen Guangcheng organized a group of people, including Chen Guangyu, Chen Guangjun and Yuan Weijing, under the excuse of seeking justice for Chen Guangyu. They interrupted traffic in the Yinghou Village section of the National Highway 205.... Chen Guangcheng stood in the middle of the road to stop vehicles and directed the mob, including Chen Guangjun and Chen Guangyu to yell out and stop traffic.... police arrived to reopen the road, and to try to persuade Chen Guangcheng to desist from leading the mob and stopping the traffic. Chen refused to comply and continued to direct the mob to block vehicles.... the mob stopped the traffic for three hours and delayed more than 290 vehicles, including an ambulance carrying a pregnant woman to hospital.
No problem, I agree caution is called for; it's a controversial case! More soon -- Khazar2 ( talk) 04:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
I forgot all about that book coming out--that should definitely be a help if it indeed arrives. -- Khazar2 ( talk) 03:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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