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why the reluctance to quote the 'fuck it, i quit' line? 'unusual exit'? if wiki can show videos of erect cocks insanely spewing cum forever and forever (article: 'ejaculation'), why the reticence re the word 'fuck'? 63.142.146.194 ( talk) 01:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
for the record, i was referring to the article's opening paragraph (that contained the 'unusual exit' wording i quoted above), which has been since rewritten, as someone has rewritten the title of my comment. 63.142.146.194 ( talk) 17:36, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
SIX WikiProjects, and low importance for each and every one of them? I've long figured that the typical Wikipedian is incapable of distinguishing celebrity from notability, and this makes that too crystal clear. Even worse is that it's evident that some of you honestly believe that this was the most important thing to ever occur in KTVA's history. BTW, I didn't comment on the AFD because the very existence of this article left a very bad taste in my mouth about Wikipedia in general, plus it was far too obvious that many of you had your minds made up already regarding this. Compare to Stubbs the cat in that we're legitimizing a publicity stunt by giving it this much attention, all the while ignoring what's really notable because it's not "trending" in the corporate media. She is "notable" for engineering a publicity stunt on one particular day at a television station which is known for having an on-air personality who was at the station for 53 YEARS and was recognized by her profession numerous times for her contributions to said station. What a scam. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
From the "article" left behind in draftspace (which I'm requesting to be deleted under WP:A10 concurrent with this posting):
"KTVA reporter Charlo Greene quit her job in perhaps the most spectacular fashion ever seen on TV"
I understand just how desperate some of you are to give free publicity to people just because they've made a few headlines recently, but come on. "Perhaps the most spectacular fashion ever seen on TV"? Go read Christine Chubbuck, then come back here and tell me that this statement isn't just pure and total bullshit.
More evidence of this being little more than a puff piece: this article contains no mention of *why* she outed herself, despite it having been mentioned by multiple reliable sources. Someone on Wikipedia is perhaps afraid of offending politically powerful people such as Alyce Hanley and Deborah Williams, or mentioning them merely detracts from the goal of giving free publicity to Charlo? The article also contains no mention of the recent court-ordered eviction of the Alaska Cannabis Club from its place of business, despite also having being mentioned by multiple reliable sources. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
@ Tokyogirl79:If her notability is tied to her work with the Alaska Cannabis Club and not just the WP:BLP1E of her on air PR stunt then the eviction should go in if it can be dealt with neutrally without adding so much text as to make it WP:UNDUE. Essentially the article needs to state at a minimum why she was evicted. The linked source said she violated the lease by " violated her lease by not obtaining insurance in a reasonable amount of time, and was therefore subject to eviction" It might be good to explain that she would not allow the fire inspectors access to the upstairs sprinkler system and that prevented the downstairs owner from getting a business license and that among other reasons were why the eviction proceedings were started.
I would propose that the best way to include it is: In January 2015 Greene and the Alaska Cannabis Club were evicted from a building they had been renting, a former Kodiak Bar and Grill location in Anchorage, for failing to obtain insurance in a timely manner.
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Looking at the AFD Discussion, I am not convinced that there was much of a consensus for Keep (the closing admin did not summarize the debate). It seems that the only notable thing she did in her life - quitting her reporting job on the air while saying an expletive - is not sufficient to satisfy the notability requirement for an article. Everything else in the article (working on a marijuana legalization campaign, having campaign finance dispute with a regulatory agency, and being evicted) are not notable to merit this article. I am therefore converting this article into a redirect, so if she does do something notable in the future, the article can be easily restarted.
If reverted, I will officially re-nominate the article for an AfD. Victor Victoria ( talk) 16:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Really? Let's see what the AFD template at the top of the page says, shall we?The second AfD closed as a speedy keep (endorsed by Hullaballoo) because it was opened only hours after the first one closed
The dates on the AFD pages match up. Looks to me like there's a world of difference between 10–11 months and "only hours". If the second AFD occurred after "only hours", it was more like only hours after someone got around to finally marking the page as reviewed after almost a year. (NOTE: I faced an edit conflict due to Tokyogirl – looks like she refactored these comments after I began this post, so I didn't really need to point out in detail how far removed they were from the facts).This page was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:
speedy keep, 8 September 2015, see discussion.
keep, 6 October 2014 (UTC), see discussion.
Where? As I just pointed out, she disappeared from public view months ago, because the emphasis has shifted towards the actual issue and away from promoting her and whatever cause she had at the moment. You're using a BLP1E episode to assert notability because that episode received attention from certain media outlets, then further gaming the system by claiming coverage by multiple outlets, when shamelessly copying the next guy is how corporate media and the web works these days. Now you're going to use further coverage, all of which followed and was motivated by that episode and none of which has continued to TODAY, as evidence of further notability. A-fucking-mazing.but she's continued to receive coverage since she pulled the on-air stunt.
Uh, excuse me, but you're the one (and the only one, from what I've seen) who has repeatedly attempted to portray this as a personal matter. I already made it clear that I could care less about the person. I dunno if you're one of the sort of editors who believes that being a Wikipedian means walking around with blinders on all the time, but ever hear of the meme "Wikipedia is a joke"? Content such as this and editors who blindly defend it is exactly the reason why. There's also the real-world smell test to consider; Wikipedia won't make it in the end if it continues to be this self-absorbed (which in large part explains why "I keep coming back to this one"). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)I'm sorry that you both personally dislike that Greene has an article but she seems to pass notability guidelines.
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This is the block-iest, most terrible looking and reading Wiki page I think I have ever come across, especially for someone who is now relevant again(?).
Maybe break it into sections that are similar to other people. See: /info/en/?search=Adolf_Hitler for examples of different sections, since this guy has a lot for whatever reason.
§§§SoC651§§§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.76.173.71 ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I removed the mention of her being outed as a scam artist at Reddit. I'd thought that this was referring to one of the fake AMAs that was put out by people pretending to be her, but it's possible that they were referring to this. In any case, we can't use something like that as a source on Wikipedia to say that she is a scam artist, as saying that is reliant on the argument posed by a Reddit user. Since we can't guarantee their fact checking (likely they're spot on, but we still can't guarantee their quality), we can't state that she is or even that she's allegedly a scam artist based on that source. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 00:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Apparently she has changed her name to "Koko Kwon" [1] http://kokokwon.com/ 58.80.201.106 ( talk) 08:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
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why the reluctance to quote the 'fuck it, i quit' line? 'unusual exit'? if wiki can show videos of erect cocks insanely spewing cum forever and forever (article: 'ejaculation'), why the reticence re the word 'fuck'? 63.142.146.194 ( talk) 01:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
for the record, i was referring to the article's opening paragraph (that contained the 'unusual exit' wording i quoted above), which has been since rewritten, as someone has rewritten the title of my comment. 63.142.146.194 ( talk) 17:36, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
SIX WikiProjects, and low importance for each and every one of them? I've long figured that the typical Wikipedian is incapable of distinguishing celebrity from notability, and this makes that too crystal clear. Even worse is that it's evident that some of you honestly believe that this was the most important thing to ever occur in KTVA's history. BTW, I didn't comment on the AFD because the very existence of this article left a very bad taste in my mouth about Wikipedia in general, plus it was far too obvious that many of you had your minds made up already regarding this. Compare to Stubbs the cat in that we're legitimizing a publicity stunt by giving it this much attention, all the while ignoring what's really notable because it's not "trending" in the corporate media. She is "notable" for engineering a publicity stunt on one particular day at a television station which is known for having an on-air personality who was at the station for 53 YEARS and was recognized by her profession numerous times for her contributions to said station. What a scam. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
From the "article" left behind in draftspace (which I'm requesting to be deleted under WP:A10 concurrent with this posting):
"KTVA reporter Charlo Greene quit her job in perhaps the most spectacular fashion ever seen on TV"
I understand just how desperate some of you are to give free publicity to people just because they've made a few headlines recently, but come on. "Perhaps the most spectacular fashion ever seen on TV"? Go read Christine Chubbuck, then come back here and tell me that this statement isn't just pure and total bullshit.
More evidence of this being little more than a puff piece: this article contains no mention of *why* she outed herself, despite it having been mentioned by multiple reliable sources. Someone on Wikipedia is perhaps afraid of offending politically powerful people such as Alyce Hanley and Deborah Williams, or mentioning them merely detracts from the goal of giving free publicity to Charlo? The article also contains no mention of the recent court-ordered eviction of the Alaska Cannabis Club from its place of business, despite also having being mentioned by multiple reliable sources. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
@ Tokyogirl79:If her notability is tied to her work with the Alaska Cannabis Club and not just the WP:BLP1E of her on air PR stunt then the eviction should go in if it can be dealt with neutrally without adding so much text as to make it WP:UNDUE. Essentially the article needs to state at a minimum why she was evicted. The linked source said she violated the lease by " violated her lease by not obtaining insurance in a reasonable amount of time, and was therefore subject to eviction" It might be good to explain that she would not allow the fire inspectors access to the upstairs sprinkler system and that prevented the downstairs owner from getting a business license and that among other reasons were why the eviction proceedings were started.
I would propose that the best way to include it is: In January 2015 Greene and the Alaska Cannabis Club were evicted from a building they had been renting, a former Kodiak Bar and Grill location in Anchorage, for failing to obtain insurance in a timely manner.
JBH (
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15:14, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Looking at the AFD Discussion, I am not convinced that there was much of a consensus for Keep (the closing admin did not summarize the debate). It seems that the only notable thing she did in her life - quitting her reporting job on the air while saying an expletive - is not sufficient to satisfy the notability requirement for an article. Everything else in the article (working on a marijuana legalization campaign, having campaign finance dispute with a regulatory agency, and being evicted) are not notable to merit this article. I am therefore converting this article into a redirect, so if she does do something notable in the future, the article can be easily restarted.
If reverted, I will officially re-nominate the article for an AfD. Victor Victoria ( talk) 16:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Really? Let's see what the AFD template at the top of the page says, shall we?The second AfD closed as a speedy keep (endorsed by Hullaballoo) because it was opened only hours after the first one closed
The dates on the AFD pages match up. Looks to me like there's a world of difference between 10–11 months and "only hours". If the second AFD occurred after "only hours", it was more like only hours after someone got around to finally marking the page as reviewed after almost a year. (NOTE: I faced an edit conflict due to Tokyogirl – looks like she refactored these comments after I began this post, so I didn't really need to point out in detail how far removed they were from the facts).This page was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:
speedy keep, 8 September 2015, see discussion.
keep, 6 October 2014 (UTC), see discussion.
Where? As I just pointed out, she disappeared from public view months ago, because the emphasis has shifted towards the actual issue and away from promoting her and whatever cause she had at the moment. You're using a BLP1E episode to assert notability because that episode received attention from certain media outlets, then further gaming the system by claiming coverage by multiple outlets, when shamelessly copying the next guy is how corporate media and the web works these days. Now you're going to use further coverage, all of which followed and was motivated by that episode and none of which has continued to TODAY, as evidence of further notability. A-fucking-mazing.but she's continued to receive coverage since she pulled the on-air stunt.
Uh, excuse me, but you're the one (and the only one, from what I've seen) who has repeatedly attempted to portray this as a personal matter. I already made it clear that I could care less about the person. I dunno if you're one of the sort of editors who believes that being a Wikipedian means walking around with blinders on all the time, but ever hear of the meme "Wikipedia is a joke"? Content such as this and editors who blindly defend it is exactly the reason why. There's also the real-world smell test to consider; Wikipedia won't make it in the end if it continues to be this self-absorbed (which in large part explains why "I keep coming back to this one"). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)I'm sorry that you both personally dislike that Greene has an article but she seems to pass notability guidelines.
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This is the block-iest, most terrible looking and reading Wiki page I think I have ever come across, especially for someone who is now relevant again(?).
Maybe break it into sections that are similar to other people. See: /info/en/?search=Adolf_Hitler for examples of different sections, since this guy has a lot for whatever reason.
§§§SoC651§§§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.76.173.71 ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I removed the mention of her being outed as a scam artist at Reddit. I'd thought that this was referring to one of the fake AMAs that was put out by people pretending to be her, but it's possible that they were referring to this. In any case, we can't use something like that as a source on Wikipedia to say that she is a scam artist, as saying that is reliant on the argument posed by a Reddit user. Since we can't guarantee their fact checking (likely they're spot on, but we still can't guarantee their quality), we can't state that she is or even that she's allegedly a scam artist based on that source. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 00:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Apparently she has changed her name to "Koko Kwon" [1] http://kokokwon.com/ 58.80.201.106 ( talk) 08:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)