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The current article says very little about how De Gaulle managed to persuade/convince/blackmail Churchill and Roosevelt into agreeing to the early re-establishment of the French Republic and to accepting him as a wartime peer. I'd like to know more about how he managed this -- did he send Leclerc into Paris without any authorization so he could present his allies with a fait accompli? Cranston Lamont ( talk) 13:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Incredible determination, stroppiness and force of character mainly. It was a slow process during the war, accelerating after Casablanca when he squeezed out Giraud from co-control of the Free French movement. It helped that the Vichy Army from North Africa was then given American equipment and served in the field under Ike in the final year of the war (Free French forces had been pretty small up until then). There was some trouble in the run-up to D-Day when the US wanted to set up a military government with its own currency - by then de Gaulle was able to face this down.
The quote regarding "The hardest cross I had to bear was the Crossx of Lorraine" was in fact not spoken bby churchill, though this is a common misattribution. It was, in fact, one of Churchill's chief aides, whose name escapes me at the moment, who was heavily involved in relations with the Free French Forces who spoke these words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.192.9 ( talk) 04:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
" He escaped his penis hole to Britain and gave a famous radio address, "
That can't possibly be right. I would edit it myself but am not familiar with the process.
"Charles de Gaulle was an idiot asshole and was a French general and statesman who led the Free French Forces during World War II."
clearly someone hates de Gaulle - or knows about the Vietnam war.
The article has been vandalised many, many times before, and no doubt will in the future-- Godwhale ( talk) 09:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
The article says DeGaulle refused to participate in D-Day. This is not accurate. The Free French were excluded by Britain and America from playing any role on D-Day. Pistolpierre ( talk) 21:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I was referring to a military role, not political role for the Free French on D-Day. The article says he refused to participate in the D-Day landings. The D-Day landings refers to the actual invasion by the Allied air, land, and naval forces. The D-Day landings does not relate to reconstituting an administrative government in France. Pistolpierre ( talk) 01:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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The list of members of the cabinets of de Gaulle was removed from the article last March. I saved it so a new article could be started, but forgot about it. The list can be found here. Does anyone have any reliable sources that can back up this info otherwise it will be deleted. Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 08:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
The source for this is 404. The UK recognised the PRC in 1950. I'm not sure in what sense this claim is true. FOARP ( talk) 08:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Under paragraph 2, sentence 2 under the title 'Prisoner', the word Medieval is spelled as follows: "mediaeval"
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Acheson is a reliable secondary source by an expert on international relations (the book won a Pulitzer prize and is often cite by scholars). [it is not a primary source because he was not in Paris when deGaulle acted]. WP:SECONDARY states "Policy: Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source." Likewise Moravscik, The Choice for Europe: Social Purpose and State Power from Messina to Maastricht publisher=Cornell University Press is a reliable secondary source. As for "opinion" see WP:OPINION which states: "Hard facts are really rare. What we most commonly encounter are opinions from people (POVs). Inherently, because of this, most articles on Wikipedia are full of POVs. An article which clearly, accurately, and fairly describes all the major, verifiable points of view will – by definition – be in accordance with Wikipedia's NPOV policy." Rjensen ( talk) 18:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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It seemed to be a good infobox image for him, as it shows how he looked like as a statesman and president. What is the protocol for infobox image changes? Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 20:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
"he opposed efforts by fellow EEC member countries to move toward some form of political integration that, in de Gaulle's thinking, would impinge on the sovereignty of France, both internally and externally."
As we know from FCO 30/1048 his assesment of the EEC and its intended move to political union was correct and disaterous for sovereignty.
Even so PM Heath took the £25,000 'prize' and took the UK in.
It has indeed been a disaster not only for sovereignty but economically.
Fortunately the UK electorate knew better than the politicians and voted in June 2016 to leave the EU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.114.111 ( talk) 19:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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The British and American governments persistently felt that the help they had given de Gaulle during the War deserved better recognition than the defiantly independent policies which his government followed in the post-war years. This was reflected in a joke current in Britain and the United States, as follows.
A man goes into a Catholic church in Paris and finds himself kneeling near de Gaulle. The priest is leading the recitation of a litany, each line being repeated by the congregation. "Coeur de Jésu, j'ai confiance en Toi" he intones, and the man is surprised to overhear de Gaulle responding, "Coeur de Jésu, ayez confiance en moi".
I can't see how to fit this story into the article. Maybe it's not appropriate (though viewed correctly it seems a nice story against the puffed-up self-regard of the British and American governments). I leave it here for what it's worth. Deipnosophista ( talk) 12:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
"That evening, the Wehrmacht launched a massive aerial and artillery barrage of Paris in revenge, leaving several thousand dead or injured." Which Heer units? Which Luftwaffe formations? How many casualties? I can find nothing to support this. Nothing at all. There is clear evidence of sniper activity but no serious German military activity. It is extremely doubtful at that point in August 1944 that the German forces had the strength to launch a "massive" attack on Paris. The Normandy Campaign and the retreat had cost the German military nearly all their forces in the West [1]
Regarding the claim above, there is in fact plenty of evidence for the air raid, though I haven't found any mention of artillery. De Gaulle himself wrote: "À minuit (26-27 août), ses avions viennent bombarder la capitale, détruisant 500 maisons, incendiant la Halle aux vins, tuant ou blessant un millier de personnes." De GAULLE, Charles. Mémoires de guerre et mémoires d'espoir (French Edition) (p. 694). Place des éditeurs. Kindle Edition.
Many more details at http://francecrashes39-45.net/bomb_paris.php
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This article is 164 kb of prose, well over the 100k limit. I am not familiar enough with de Gaulle to say exactly how to break out some sub articles though. Perhaps an article for first presidency, and for second presidency, plus maybe one for his war years and one for early life? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 19:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
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The current article says very little about how De Gaulle managed to persuade/convince/blackmail Churchill and Roosevelt into agreeing to the early re-establishment of the French Republic and to accepting him as a wartime peer. I'd like to know more about how he managed this -- did he send Leclerc into Paris without any authorization so he could present his allies with a fait accompli? Cranston Lamont ( talk) 13:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Incredible determination, stroppiness and force of character mainly. It was a slow process during the war, accelerating after Casablanca when he squeezed out Giraud from co-control of the Free French movement. It helped that the Vichy Army from North Africa was then given American equipment and served in the field under Ike in the final year of the war (Free French forces had been pretty small up until then). There was some trouble in the run-up to D-Day when the US wanted to set up a military government with its own currency - by then de Gaulle was able to face this down.
The quote regarding "The hardest cross I had to bear was the Crossx of Lorraine" was in fact not spoken bby churchill, though this is a common misattribution. It was, in fact, one of Churchill's chief aides, whose name escapes me at the moment, who was heavily involved in relations with the Free French Forces who spoke these words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.192.9 ( talk) 04:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
" He escaped his penis hole to Britain and gave a famous radio address, "
That can't possibly be right. I would edit it myself but am not familiar with the process.
"Charles de Gaulle was an idiot asshole and was a French general and statesman who led the Free French Forces during World War II."
clearly someone hates de Gaulle - or knows about the Vietnam war.
The article has been vandalised many, many times before, and no doubt will in the future-- Godwhale ( talk) 09:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
The article says DeGaulle refused to participate in D-Day. This is not accurate. The Free French were excluded by Britain and America from playing any role on D-Day. Pistolpierre ( talk) 21:45, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I was referring to a military role, not political role for the Free French on D-Day. The article says he refused to participate in the D-Day landings. The D-Day landings refers to the actual invasion by the Allied air, land, and naval forces. The D-Day landings does not relate to reconstituting an administrative government in France. Pistolpierre ( talk) 01:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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The list of members of the cabinets of de Gaulle was removed from the article last March. I saved it so a new article could be started, but forgot about it. The list can be found here. Does anyone have any reliable sources that can back up this info otherwise it will be deleted. Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 08:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
The source for this is 404. The UK recognised the PRC in 1950. I'm not sure in what sense this claim is true. FOARP ( talk) 08:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Under paragraph 2, sentence 2 under the title 'Prisoner', the word Medieval is spelled as follows: "mediaeval"
Respectfully,
LH
Acheson is a reliable secondary source by an expert on international relations (the book won a Pulitzer prize and is often cite by scholars). [it is not a primary source because he was not in Paris when deGaulle acted]. WP:SECONDARY states "Policy: Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles may make an analytic, evaluative, interpretive, or synthetic claim only if that has been published by a reliable secondary source." Likewise Moravscik, The Choice for Europe: Social Purpose and State Power from Messina to Maastricht publisher=Cornell University Press is a reliable secondary source. As for "opinion" see WP:OPINION which states: "Hard facts are really rare. What we most commonly encounter are opinions from people (POVs). Inherently, because of this, most articles on Wikipedia are full of POVs. An article which clearly, accurately, and fairly describes all the major, verifiable points of view will – by definition – be in accordance with Wikipedia's NPOV policy." Rjensen ( talk) 18:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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It seemed to be a good infobox image for him, as it shows how he looked like as a statesman and president. What is the protocol for infobox image changes? Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 20:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
"he opposed efforts by fellow EEC member countries to move toward some form of political integration that, in de Gaulle's thinking, would impinge on the sovereignty of France, both internally and externally."
As we know from FCO 30/1048 his assesment of the EEC and its intended move to political union was correct and disaterous for sovereignty.
Even so PM Heath took the £25,000 'prize' and took the UK in.
It has indeed been a disaster not only for sovereignty but economically.
Fortunately the UK electorate knew better than the politicians and voted in June 2016 to leave the EU. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.114.111 ( talk) 19:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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The British and American governments persistently felt that the help they had given de Gaulle during the War deserved better recognition than the defiantly independent policies which his government followed in the post-war years. This was reflected in a joke current in Britain and the United States, as follows.
A man goes into a Catholic church in Paris and finds himself kneeling near de Gaulle. The priest is leading the recitation of a litany, each line being repeated by the congregation. "Coeur de Jésu, j'ai confiance en Toi" he intones, and the man is surprised to overhear de Gaulle responding, "Coeur de Jésu, ayez confiance en moi".
I can't see how to fit this story into the article. Maybe it's not appropriate (though viewed correctly it seems a nice story against the puffed-up self-regard of the British and American governments). I leave it here for what it's worth. Deipnosophista ( talk) 12:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
"That evening, the Wehrmacht launched a massive aerial and artillery barrage of Paris in revenge, leaving several thousand dead or injured." Which Heer units? Which Luftwaffe formations? How many casualties? I can find nothing to support this. Nothing at all. There is clear evidence of sniper activity but no serious German military activity. It is extremely doubtful at that point in August 1944 that the German forces had the strength to launch a "massive" attack on Paris. The Normandy Campaign and the retreat had cost the German military nearly all their forces in the West [1]
Regarding the claim above, there is in fact plenty of evidence for the air raid, though I haven't found any mention of artillery. De Gaulle himself wrote: "À minuit (26-27 août), ses avions viennent bombarder la capitale, détruisant 500 maisons, incendiant la Halle aux vins, tuant ou blessant un millier de personnes." De GAULLE, Charles. Mémoires de guerre et mémoires d'espoir (French Edition) (p. 694). Place des éditeurs. Kindle Edition.
Many more details at http://francecrashes39-45.net/bomb_paris.php
Cwrwgar ( talk) 11:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is 164 kb of prose, well over the 100k limit. I am not familiar enough with de Gaulle to say exactly how to break out some sub articles though. Perhaps an article for first presidency, and for second presidency, plus maybe one for his war years and one for early life? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 19:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)