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shouldn't the Article name incorporate his title as Rajah of Sarawak?-- Couter-revolutionary 00:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot 01:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
What was his nationality, if not British he wouldn't be allowed to use the prefix sir but could use post nominals.-- Counter-revolutionary ( talk) 22:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Done - as there are 4 editors calling for a move, 1 for a move to a different title, and 3 for the article to remain at the current title, I can only close this based on the strength of the arguments presented, as it is very close based on numbers alone. PMAnderson and Matthew Lockhart make the strongest arguments in my judgement (based around WP:COMMONNAME, and the precendent set by the father's article). Neıl ☎ 11:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Vyner of Sarawak → Charles Vyner Brooke — The current name "Vyner of Sarawak" does not reflect usage in the English-language scholarly literature. — Noel S McFerran ( talk) 15:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Surely it isn't just me who thinks that the change to Charles Vyner Brooke doesn't really account for are discussion. I shall be requesting another move shortly to Vyner Brooke, Rajah of Sarawak, to account for the name he was referred to and his ruling title as a monarch. -- Counter-revolutionary ( talk) 11:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Counter-revolutionary has presented ten websites to support "Vyner Brooke". He says that there is "not a 'Charles' in sight!" He might actually want to look at some of his own evidence. The FIRST ITEM on the link he provides for "Book search" [7] is a link to the Columbia Encyclopedia under "Sir Charles Vyner Brooke".
Google Books is a reasonably good way of seeing how a topic has been treated in published scholarship. When one looks for "Charles Vyner Brooke" one gets 635 results [8]. When one looks for "Vyner Brooke" and excludes "Charles Vyner Brooke" one gets 311 results [9]. THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING is that "Charles Vyner Brooke" is used much more frequently than "Vyner Brooke". Can anybody explain why Wikipedia should not use the most common form of his name used in published scholarship? (By the way, I have no objection to "Rajah of Sarawak" being added after his name in the article title). Noel S McFerran ( talk) 04:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I've never heard the name before. Was he related to the Vyner family? Or is there an Asian connection? Why did his parents choose it? BrainyBabe ( talk) 07:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The merchant vessel named after Charles Vyner Brooke, the MV Vyner Brooke, is notorious in Australia as it was bombed by the Japanese while fleeing Singapore laden mainly with civilians shortly before Singapore fell. A number of medical staff and soldiers survived the bombing and sinking of the ship, only to be machine gunned on a nearby beach while unarmed and helpless.
There does not seem to be any publicly available photograph of the MV Vyner Brooke. If anyone is aware of a photograph or has access to it I would appreciate hearing about it.
Stephen Home Perth, Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.152.130 ( talk) 00:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
What possible reason would a ruler give up his kingdom to another country? What was Vyner getting out of it? Was he offered compensation by Britain? If he wasn't interested in ruling after 5 years away, why didn't he just let his nephew take over? Was there bad blood between them? Ideological differences? If England did compensate Vyner, shouldn't his nephew also have received compensation? Did he? Ileanadu ( talk) 19:55, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Is adding the short description “Third and last Rajah of Sarawak” for this article a good idea? Thanks. Colathewikian ( talk) 05:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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shouldn't the Article name incorporate his title as Rajah of Sarawak?-- Couter-revolutionary 00:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Image:Charles Vyner Brooke.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 01:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
What was his nationality, if not British he wouldn't be allowed to use the prefix sir but could use post nominals.-- Counter-revolutionary ( talk) 22:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Done - as there are 4 editors calling for a move, 1 for a move to a different title, and 3 for the article to remain at the current title, I can only close this based on the strength of the arguments presented, as it is very close based on numbers alone. PMAnderson and Matthew Lockhart make the strongest arguments in my judgement (based around WP:COMMONNAME, and the precendent set by the father's article). Neıl ☎ 11:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Vyner of Sarawak → Charles Vyner Brooke — The current name "Vyner of Sarawak" does not reflect usage in the English-language scholarly literature. — Noel S McFerran ( talk) 15:44, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.Surely it isn't just me who thinks that the change to Charles Vyner Brooke doesn't really account for are discussion. I shall be requesting another move shortly to Vyner Brooke, Rajah of Sarawak, to account for the name he was referred to and his ruling title as a monarch. -- Counter-revolutionary ( talk) 11:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
User:Counter-revolutionary has presented ten websites to support "Vyner Brooke". He says that there is "not a 'Charles' in sight!" He might actually want to look at some of his own evidence. The FIRST ITEM on the link he provides for "Book search" [7] is a link to the Columbia Encyclopedia under "Sir Charles Vyner Brooke".
Google Books is a reasonably good way of seeing how a topic has been treated in published scholarship. When one looks for "Charles Vyner Brooke" one gets 635 results [8]. When one looks for "Vyner Brooke" and excludes "Charles Vyner Brooke" one gets 311 results [9]. THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING is that "Charles Vyner Brooke" is used much more frequently than "Vyner Brooke". Can anybody explain why Wikipedia should not use the most common form of his name used in published scholarship? (By the way, I have no objection to "Rajah of Sarawak" being added after his name in the article title). Noel S McFerran ( talk) 04:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I've never heard the name before. Was he related to the Vyner family? Or is there an Asian connection? Why did his parents choose it? BrainyBabe ( talk) 07:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The merchant vessel named after Charles Vyner Brooke, the MV Vyner Brooke, is notorious in Australia as it was bombed by the Japanese while fleeing Singapore laden mainly with civilians shortly before Singapore fell. A number of medical staff and soldiers survived the bombing and sinking of the ship, only to be machine gunned on a nearby beach while unarmed and helpless.
There does not seem to be any publicly available photograph of the MV Vyner Brooke. If anyone is aware of a photograph or has access to it I would appreciate hearing about it.
Stephen Home Perth, Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.152.130 ( talk) 00:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
What possible reason would a ruler give up his kingdom to another country? What was Vyner getting out of it? Was he offered compensation by Britain? If he wasn't interested in ruling after 5 years away, why didn't he just let his nephew take over? Was there bad blood between them? Ideological differences? If England did compensate Vyner, shouldn't his nephew also have received compensation? Did he? Ileanadu ( talk) 19:55, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Is adding the short description “Third and last Rajah of Sarawak” for this article a good idea? Thanks. Colathewikian ( talk) 05:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)