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There is an image of Janet's table in the French article fr:Charles Janet which would greatly improve this article by showing what his table looked like. However the image is generated by the French template fr:Modèle:Tableau périodique de Charles Janet which has a rather lengthy source code. Would importing the image into this English article require translating the whole source code and finding filenames equivalent to the French ones? Can someone figure out how to do this efficiently? Dirac66 ( talk) 19:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It is interesting to note that he was an Engineer. So even Engineers can learn something by thinking about the details of the periodic table. WFPM ( talk) 17:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC) Thank You! Merci beaucoup!
There is an interesting way in helping to memorize the sequence of the elements of the Janet Periodic table. It involves the following format of the 8 series divisions: It goes:
2 = 2 2 = 2 2 4 2 = 8 2 4 2 = 8 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 18 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 18 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 32 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 32
Now does anybody want to argue against the idea that the next 2 (9th and 10th) series will go:
2 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 50 2 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 50
I don't think so! WFPM ( talk) 02:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Comments as requested:
1. I agree that the Janet table is a useful memory aid for the known atoms.
2. The prediction of 50 for the next two rows is basically an extrapolation of the quantum energy levels from known (1-118) to unknown atoms. I think it should be valid, although relativity is known to play a role in very heavy atoms and could lead to some changes (which I don't know enough about to discuss in detail).
3. Verifying this prediction will require discovering the next 100 elements, so unfortunately neither you nor I is likely to live long enough to learn the experimental answer. Best wishes.
Dirac66 (
talk)
02:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Physical and chemical properties of elements are more important parameters, than an external electronic configuration of atom of elements!
Therefore Charles Janet was the right when in 1928 he has displayed the first period in structure: 1. H; 2. He; 3. Li; 4. Be! Alex makeyev ( talk) 12:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Clarification: Hydrogen is the likeness of halogens; Helium is certainly a noble gas; Lithium is an alkali metal; Beryllium is an alkaline earth metalloid. Alex makeyev ( talk) 10:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
See image 21 on p. 579; image 22 on p. 580; image 27 on p. 705 in monography: Makeyev A. K. Synergy of spherovectored fractals of universe, 1093 pp. Alex makeyev ( talk) 12:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I would argue that the elements 1 H and 2 He make up the first period, and that the elements 3 Li and 4 Be make up a second period, with each period resulting in the creation of an alpha particle within the nucleus. WFPM ( talk) 15:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Note that that's the beginning of the proposed triple alpha accumulation process, with a very low probability of occurrence, and with the alternative possibility that the first two alpha particles are bound by accumulated deuterons (up to 6 at 10 Ne. and then the 3rd alpha particle is created by 11 Na and 12 Mg. WFPM ( talk) 15:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hydrogen is not metal, chemically active gas. Its electronic structure is 1s1. But all subsequent elements with electronic structure ns1 are chemically active alkaline metals.
Hydrogen stands before helium, chemically inert gas, having electronic structure 1s2. But all subsequent elements with electronic structure ns2 are chemically active alkaline Earth metals.
All subsequent elements facing noble gases are chemically active gases or flying substance halogen. A typical Halogen have electronic structure np5. A typical Noble gas have electronic structure np6.
Helium is allowed to be noble gas which helium is in a reality.
It means also that the hydrogen is necessary to be allowed to be chemically active gas, not metal, especially not alkaline metal. As hydrogen is chemically active gas, not metal in a reality. Alex makeyev ( talk) 18:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I think that the important point is whether the growing size atomic nucleus is acquiring a physical structure or not and what its physical properties and associated physical activities are rather than its chemical activities, and that is the importance of the indications of the Janet Periodic table. WFPM ( talk) 00:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Force hydrogen to become alkaline metal, as all the others ns1 elements. Force helium to become alkaline Earth metal, as all the others ns2 elements. Alex makeyev ( talk) 11:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
So you will destroy all live matters on the Earth and in All Universe. Alex makeyev ( talk) 11:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Type of complex physical and chemical properties, which exhibit collectives of atoms of the same element have a more important parameter than the structure of the External area of the electron cloud of atoms of the element. Alex makeyev ( talk) 10:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah! so 118 is the last of the noble gasses and the question is what the atom will make after that? And the answer is more alpha particles, with 119 and 120, which made up only the 8th alpha particle within the nucleus. So each series line in the Janet table ends with the creation of an alpha particle and requires 4 more elements (every other series) to get the structure set up continue to do that. WFPM ( talk) 18:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
If you desire to build a structural model, with incremental additions similar to that of the Janet Periodic table, you need to use a checkerboard, which is a nested set of increasing square spaces, and which is a central 2 x 2 = 4 square followed by a 4 x 4 = 16 second square and then a 6 x 6 = 36 third square and finally followed by a 8 x 8 = 64 outer square. Then the squares are filled in the sequence inside out, with 2 sets of 4 units in the center squares,= (2 x (2=2)), and then an additional 2 layers of 16,= (2 x (2+4+2)) and then 36, (2 X (2+4+4+2+4+2))and finally 64,= (2 x (2+4+4+4+2+4+4+2+4+2)) units, which adds up to an addition of 120 pairs of unit additions as needed to simulate the 120 pairs of nucleons needed to be accumulated by the simulation model. This will result in a model of all the possible A = 2Z isotopes, (up to Z=120), And then the other isotopes are created by adding "extra neutrons" to the neutron locations as needed to keep the model in a state of maximum rotational stability. WFPM ( talk) 00:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Alex makeyev ( talk) 17:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I posted here The system of natural cycles automatisms vacuum and atomic levels of matter, vertical form by Julius Lothar von Meyer (1862, 1864, 1870); Dmitri Mendeleev (1869, 1870, 1906); Ernest Rutherford (1913); Niels Bohr (1913); Henry Moseley (1913); Charles Janet (1928); Alexander Makeyev (1999, 2010, 2012). And The System of a Natural Cycle of automatisms vacuum and atomic levels of matter, the spiral wave-particle form, by Alexander Makeyev (2000, 2010, 2012).
Here is clearly shows that every correct period (Natural Cycle) of the natural sequence of elements of atomic levels of matter (img. 1) is half the circumference of spiral elements (img. 2).
Alex makeyev ( talk) 18:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Now this system of natural cycles automatisms vacuum and atomic levels of matter is called the Matrix of automatisms of matter. Alex makeyev ( talk) 07:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says, “Janet's table differs from the standard table in placing the s-block elements on the right, so that the subshells of the periodic table are arranged in the order (n-3)s, (n-2)p, (n-1)d, nf from left to right.” Are the shell numbers n–3, n–2, n–1, and n correct? Please explain with an example, referring to element names, too. Solo Owl 01:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure "He was became a member" is not proper grammar.
I chose not to edit this because I don't know if it should read "He was a member", "He became a member", or "He was to become a member". WithGLEE ( talk) 15:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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There is an image of Janet's table in the French article fr:Charles Janet which would greatly improve this article by showing what his table looked like. However the image is generated by the French template fr:Modèle:Tableau périodique de Charles Janet which has a rather lengthy source code. Would importing the image into this English article require translating the whole source code and finding filenames equivalent to the French ones? Can someone figure out how to do this efficiently? Dirac66 ( talk) 19:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It is interesting to note that he was an Engineer. So even Engineers can learn something by thinking about the details of the periodic table. WFPM ( talk) 17:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC) Thank You! Merci beaucoup!
There is an interesting way in helping to memorize the sequence of the elements of the Janet Periodic table. It involves the following format of the 8 series divisions: It goes:
2 = 2 2 = 2 2 4 2 = 8 2 4 2 = 8 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 18 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 18 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 32 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 32
Now does anybody want to argue against the idea that the next 2 (9th and 10th) series will go:
2 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 50 2 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 2 = 50
I don't think so! WFPM ( talk) 02:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Comments as requested:
1. I agree that the Janet table is a useful memory aid for the known atoms.
2. The prediction of 50 for the next two rows is basically an extrapolation of the quantum energy levels from known (1-118) to unknown atoms. I think it should be valid, although relativity is known to play a role in very heavy atoms and could lead to some changes (which I don't know enough about to discuss in detail).
3. Verifying this prediction will require discovering the next 100 elements, so unfortunately neither you nor I is likely to live long enough to learn the experimental answer. Best wishes.
Dirac66 (
talk)
02:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Physical and chemical properties of elements are more important parameters, than an external electronic configuration of atom of elements!
Therefore Charles Janet was the right when in 1928 he has displayed the first period in structure: 1. H; 2. He; 3. Li; 4. Be! Alex makeyev ( talk) 12:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Clarification: Hydrogen is the likeness of halogens; Helium is certainly a noble gas; Lithium is an alkali metal; Beryllium is an alkaline earth metalloid. Alex makeyev ( talk) 10:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
See image 21 on p. 579; image 22 on p. 580; image 27 on p. 705 in monography: Makeyev A. K. Synergy of spherovectored fractals of universe, 1093 pp. Alex makeyev ( talk) 12:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I would argue that the elements 1 H and 2 He make up the first period, and that the elements 3 Li and 4 Be make up a second period, with each period resulting in the creation of an alpha particle within the nucleus. WFPM ( talk) 15:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Note that that's the beginning of the proposed triple alpha accumulation process, with a very low probability of occurrence, and with the alternative possibility that the first two alpha particles are bound by accumulated deuterons (up to 6 at 10 Ne. and then the 3rd alpha particle is created by 11 Na and 12 Mg. WFPM ( talk) 15:12, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Hydrogen is not metal, chemically active gas. Its electronic structure is 1s1. But all subsequent elements with electronic structure ns1 are chemically active alkaline metals.
Hydrogen stands before helium, chemically inert gas, having electronic structure 1s2. But all subsequent elements with electronic structure ns2 are chemically active alkaline Earth metals.
All subsequent elements facing noble gases are chemically active gases or flying substance halogen. A typical Halogen have electronic structure np5. A typical Noble gas have electronic structure np6.
Helium is allowed to be noble gas which helium is in a reality.
It means also that the hydrogen is necessary to be allowed to be chemically active gas, not metal, especially not alkaline metal. As hydrogen is chemically active gas, not metal in a reality. Alex makeyev ( talk) 18:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I think that the important point is whether the growing size atomic nucleus is acquiring a physical structure or not and what its physical properties and associated physical activities are rather than its chemical activities, and that is the importance of the indications of the Janet Periodic table. WFPM ( talk) 00:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Force hydrogen to become alkaline metal, as all the others ns1 elements. Force helium to become alkaline Earth metal, as all the others ns2 elements. Alex makeyev ( talk) 11:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
So you will destroy all live matters on the Earth and in All Universe. Alex makeyev ( talk) 11:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Type of complex physical and chemical properties, which exhibit collectives of atoms of the same element have a more important parameter than the structure of the External area of the electron cloud of atoms of the element. Alex makeyev ( talk) 10:37, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah! so 118 is the last of the noble gasses and the question is what the atom will make after that? And the answer is more alpha particles, with 119 and 120, which made up only the 8th alpha particle within the nucleus. So each series line in the Janet table ends with the creation of an alpha particle and requires 4 more elements (every other series) to get the structure set up continue to do that. WFPM ( talk) 18:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
If you desire to build a structural model, with incremental additions similar to that of the Janet Periodic table, you need to use a checkerboard, which is a nested set of increasing square spaces, and which is a central 2 x 2 = 4 square followed by a 4 x 4 = 16 second square and then a 6 x 6 = 36 third square and finally followed by a 8 x 8 = 64 outer square. Then the squares are filled in the sequence inside out, with 2 sets of 4 units in the center squares,= (2 x (2=2)), and then an additional 2 layers of 16,= (2 x (2+4+2)) and then 36, (2 X (2+4+4+2+4+2))and finally 64,= (2 x (2+4+4+4+2+4+4+2+4+2)) units, which adds up to an addition of 120 pairs of unit additions as needed to simulate the 120 pairs of nucleons needed to be accumulated by the simulation model. This will result in a model of all the possible A = 2Z isotopes, (up to Z=120), And then the other isotopes are created by adding "extra neutrons" to the neutron locations as needed to keep the model in a state of maximum rotational stability. WFPM ( talk) 00:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Alex makeyev ( talk) 17:57, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I posted here The system of natural cycles automatisms vacuum and atomic levels of matter, vertical form by Julius Lothar von Meyer (1862, 1864, 1870); Dmitri Mendeleev (1869, 1870, 1906); Ernest Rutherford (1913); Niels Bohr (1913); Henry Moseley (1913); Charles Janet (1928); Alexander Makeyev (1999, 2010, 2012). And The System of a Natural Cycle of automatisms vacuum and atomic levels of matter, the spiral wave-particle form, by Alexander Makeyev (2000, 2010, 2012).
Here is clearly shows that every correct period (Natural Cycle) of the natural sequence of elements of atomic levels of matter (img. 1) is half the circumference of spiral elements (img. 2).
Alex makeyev ( talk) 18:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Now this system of natural cycles automatisms vacuum and atomic levels of matter is called the Matrix of automatisms of matter. Alex makeyev ( talk) 07:47, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says, “Janet's table differs from the standard table in placing the s-block elements on the right, so that the subshells of the periodic table are arranged in the order (n-3)s, (n-2)p, (n-1)d, nf from left to right.” Are the shell numbers n–3, n–2, n–1, and n correct? Please explain with an example, referring to element names, too. Solo Owl 01:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure "He was became a member" is not proper grammar.
I chose not to edit this because I don't know if it should read "He was a member", "He became a member", or "He was to become a member". WithGLEE ( talk) 15:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC)