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I reverted an edit by Ravenswing which removed a sentence stating that Lady Sarah Lennox was great-grandaughter of King Charles II. This is an assertion supported by her father's page: Charles Lennox, 2nd Duke of Richmond (which states"Charles Lennox, 2nd Duke of Richmond, 2nd Duke of Lennox, 2nd Duke of Aubigny, KG, KB, PC, FRS (18 May 1701, Goodwood, Sussex – 8 August 1750, Godalming, Surrey) was the son of Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, and a grandson of King Charles II.", and by her grandfather's page, Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond (which states "Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, 1st Duke of Lennox, 1st Duke of Aubigny (29 July 1672 – 27 May 1723) was the illegitimate son of Charles II of England and his mistress Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth."), as well as by an external link from that page ( [1] ) and Charles_II_of_England#Issue and Descendants_of_Charles_II_of_England. This is fairly well-documented, I believe. If the question is one of legitimacy, that can be addressed in the article, but the blanking of verifiable facts is unhelpful. - LeeNapier ( talk) 20:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Regarding this quote; "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
Where and when is he supposed to have made it? His time in the subcontinent was spent mostly in the west, and what is now Pakistan, as far as I can make out from his biography. It is not a region where sati is known in recent historic times, being mostly Muslim. Imc 18:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Whoever said it deserves +5 to awesome. 67.34.55.68
The quote is also attributed to him in a very good book on colonial wars called 'Queen Victoria's Little Wars by Byron Farwell. I added some more quotes on his general philosophy of war, since he fought many campaigns that were counter-insurgency in nature, and hence relevant to our times. A brilliant general in my opinion.
needs to include his time as governor of Kefalonia/Kefallinia/Cephalonia, Greece - MaikKef 01:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
It seems that Napier did not utter the famous line. It was a submission to Punch more than a year after the event, made up by Caroline Winkworth, a teenage schoolgirl. -- Jumbo 07:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
It is said that James Napier actually discovered Karachi and once at the beach he said: "O Karachi! You are the Jewel of the East". HOw much of this is true? 202.163.100.62 11:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Peccavi - a citation that he *didn't* say it:
"'I Have Scinde': Flogging a Dead (White Male Orientalist) Horse," by Wendy Doniger - Journal of Asian Studies 58(4), 940-960, November 1999.
86.25.121.62 (
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Article needs more information on his early career, particularly his involvement in the Peninsular Campaign. Drutt ( talk) 23:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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@Soham321: The Napier quote is still in the article. I have reworded it to better match the source. It does not fit in biography section, is better as a separate section just like "Views on subduing insurgencies". Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 18:34, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Ace-o-aces2:: Would you please check the source and decide if "ascertained" or "judged" is supported? @Soham321 is warring over it. I see support for "judging" in the third line 2nd para, middle of page 35. I also intend to add a section on slavery from the same source, as it is as due as the section on sati. Please double check my wording if and when you have time, and refine/add where appropriate. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 01:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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I reverted an edit by Ravenswing which removed a sentence stating that Lady Sarah Lennox was great-grandaughter of King Charles II. This is an assertion supported by her father's page: Charles Lennox, 2nd Duke of Richmond (which states"Charles Lennox, 2nd Duke of Richmond, 2nd Duke of Lennox, 2nd Duke of Aubigny, KG, KB, PC, FRS (18 May 1701, Goodwood, Sussex – 8 August 1750, Godalming, Surrey) was the son of Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, and a grandson of King Charles II.", and by her grandfather's page, Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond (which states "Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, 1st Duke of Lennox, 1st Duke of Aubigny (29 July 1672 – 27 May 1723) was the illegitimate son of Charles II of England and his mistress Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth."), as well as by an external link from that page ( [1] ) and Charles_II_of_England#Issue and Descendants_of_Charles_II_of_England. This is fairly well-documented, I believe. If the question is one of legitimacy, that can be addressed in the article, but the blanking of verifiable facts is unhelpful. - LeeNapier ( talk) 20:34, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Regarding this quote; "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
Where and when is he supposed to have made it? His time in the subcontinent was spent mostly in the west, and what is now Pakistan, as far as I can make out from his biography. It is not a region where sati is known in recent historic times, being mostly Muslim. Imc 18:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Whoever said it deserves +5 to awesome. 67.34.55.68
The quote is also attributed to him in a very good book on colonial wars called 'Queen Victoria's Little Wars by Byron Farwell. I added some more quotes on his general philosophy of war, since he fought many campaigns that were counter-insurgency in nature, and hence relevant to our times. A brilliant general in my opinion.
needs to include his time as governor of Kefalonia/Kefallinia/Cephalonia, Greece - MaikKef 01:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
It seems that Napier did not utter the famous line. It was a submission to Punch more than a year after the event, made up by Caroline Winkworth, a teenage schoolgirl. -- Jumbo 07:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
It is said that James Napier actually discovered Karachi and once at the beach he said: "O Karachi! You are the Jewel of the East". HOw much of this is true? 202.163.100.62 11:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Peccavi - a citation that he *didn't* say it:
"'I Have Scinde': Flogging a Dead (White Male Orientalist) Horse," by Wendy Doniger - Journal of Asian Studies 58(4), 940-960, November 1999.
86.25.121.62 (
talk) 09:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Article needs more information on his early career, particularly his involvement in the Peninsular Campaign. Drutt ( talk) 23:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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@Soham321: The Napier quote is still in the article. I have reworded it to better match the source. It does not fit in biography section, is better as a separate section just like "Views on subduing insurgencies". Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 18:34, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Ace-o-aces2:: Would you please check the source and decide if "ascertained" or "judged" is supported? @Soham321 is warring over it. I see support for "judging" in the third line 2nd para, middle of page 35. I also intend to add a section on slavery from the same source, as it is as due as the section on sati. Please double check my wording if and when you have time, and refine/add where appropriate. Ms Sarah Welch ( talk) 01:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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In the Section Peninsular war, we currently have:
@ PaulGS: See WP:QUOTEFARM and User:Sitush/CasteSources#Writings of British Raj administrators instead of frequently edit warring to restore the section. desmay ( talk) 18:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)