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The result of the move request was: page moved. Wbm1058 ( talk) 14:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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Charles Worth → Charles Frederick Worth – This is a move back to the original title which was moved with no prior discussion on original talk page or this one. His House is called the "House of Worth" and he has always been know as Charles Fredrick Worth see [1] for example and [2]to see how other non museum sites also call him by his full name. [3] shows how the fashion industry and archives also use his full name. [4] shows how he is listed in other museums and [5] and [6]encyclopedias. To facilitate ease of searching there could be (in fact should have been) a Charles Worth redirect to Charles Frederick Worth. Edmund Patrick – confer 12:25, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
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Just continuing, as you mentioned eight results and I just did the first four:
So based on the first eight results for Charles Worth, only one author (Ms. Craik) insists on always omitting the middle name, while the others all ensure that they introduce him by his full name in the beginning. I'd say that's pretty compelling. Mabalu ( talk) 19:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
to decide, close this, and move back to Charles Frederick Worth, (with if deemed necessary a redirect from Charles Worth) now what is the next process as all this is new to me. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 16:43, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
This article was the subject of an educational assignment in Spring 2015. Further details were available on the "Education Program:Franklin and Marshall College/London Paris (Spring 2015)" page, which is now unavailable on the wiki. |
Marly, Diana De. Worth: Father of Haute Couture. London: Elm Tree, 1990. Print. Saunders, Edith. The Age of Worth. Couturier to the Empress Eugénie. Bloomington, IN: Indiana UP, 1955. Print. Olian, JoAnne. The House of Worth: The Gilded Age, 1860-1918. New York: Museum of the City of New York, 1982. Print. The House of Worth. New York: Brooklyn Museum, 1962. Print. Skrebneski, Victor, and Laura Jacobs. The Art of Haute Couture. New York: Abbeville, 1995. Print. Martin, Richard, and Harold Koda. Haute Couture. New York: Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1995. Print. Stewart, M. L. "Copying and Copyrighting Haute Couture: Democratizing Fashion, 1900-1930s." French Historical Studies 28.1 (2005): 103-30. Web. 15 Jan. 2015. Steele, Valerie, and John S. Major. "Paris Fashion." LoveToKnow. N.p., n.d. Web. 15 Feb. 2015. Coleman, Elizabeth A. The Opulent Era: Fashions of Worth, Doucet, and Pingat. New York, NY: Thames and Hudson, 1989. Print. Grau, Francois-Marie. La Haute Couture. Paris: PUF, 2000. Print.
I've done a bit of work to improve this article, including lengthening lede to provide more of a summary, losing duplication of information and improving references. This has added a bit more detail about, for instance, number of people Worth employed, his background in London and Paris and details about his death and funeral. All material I've added is sourced, removing some of the over-reliance on too few sources. I've also reduced size of images somewhat and tried to tidy up a little. The Haute Couture (Chambre Syndicale) template has been removed – I don't really see why it was on there as Worth's name wasn't on the list as far as I could see and there is no reference to it in the text or context to suggest why it should be on this page. I will continue looking for other sources. It would be great if this article could get a leg-up to move it off Start class. Libby norman ( talk) 16:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Charles Frederick Worth/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
The beginnings of an article about a top-importance subject: the father of haute couture, the first designer in the contemporary sense. Daniel Case 03:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Wbm1058 ( talk) 14:39, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
The request to rename this article to Charles Frederick Worth has been carried out. |
Charles Worth → Charles Frederick Worth – This is a move back to the original title which was moved with no prior discussion on original talk page or this one. His House is called the "House of Worth" and he has always been know as Charles Fredrick Worth see [1] for example and [2]to see how other non museum sites also call him by his full name. [3] shows how the fashion industry and archives also use his full name. [4] shows how he is listed in other museums and [5] and [6]encyclopedias. To facilitate ease of searching there could be (in fact should have been) a Charles Worth redirect to Charles Frederick Worth. Edmund Patrick – confer 12:25, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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, then sign your comment with ~~~~
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Based on the comments above, I would have suspected that with an open phrase charles worth search [16] the majority of hits would have filled in the Fredrick, but on the first page of hits, 7 of the first 8 hits that are obviously about this guy appear to be simply "Charles Worth" without the middle name. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Just continuing, as you mentioned eight results and I just did the first four:
So based on the first eight results for Charles Worth, only one author (Ms. Craik) insists on always omitting the middle name, while the others all ensure that they introduce him by his full name in the beginning. I'd say that's pretty compelling. Mabalu ( talk) 19:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
to decide, close this, and move back to Charles Frederick Worth, (with if deemed necessary a redirect from Charles Worth) now what is the next process as all this is new to me. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 16:43, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
This article was the subject of an educational assignment in Spring 2015. Further details were available on the "Education Program:Franklin and Marshall College/London Paris (Spring 2015)" page, which is now unavailable on the wiki. |
Marly, Diana De. Worth: Father of Haute Couture. London: Elm Tree, 1990. Print. Saunders, Edith. The Age of Worth. Couturier to the Empress Eugénie. Bloomington, IN: Indiana UP, 1955. Print. Olian, JoAnne. The House of Worth: The Gilded Age, 1860-1918. New York: Museum of the City of New York, 1982. Print. The House of Worth. New York: Brooklyn Museum, 1962. Print. Skrebneski, Victor, and Laura Jacobs. The Art of Haute Couture. New York: Abbeville, 1995. Print. Martin, Richard, and Harold Koda. Haute Couture. New York: Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1995. Print. Stewart, M. L. "Copying and Copyrighting Haute Couture: Democratizing Fashion, 1900-1930s." French Historical Studies 28.1 (2005): 103-30. Web. 15 Jan. 2015. Steele, Valerie, and John S. Major. "Paris Fashion." LoveToKnow. N.p., n.d. Web. 15 Feb. 2015. Coleman, Elizabeth A. The Opulent Era: Fashions of Worth, Doucet, and Pingat. New York, NY: Thames and Hudson, 1989. Print. Grau, Francois-Marie. La Haute Couture. Paris: PUF, 2000. Print.
I've done a bit of work to improve this article, including lengthening lede to provide more of a summary, losing duplication of information and improving references. This has added a bit more detail about, for instance, number of people Worth employed, his background in London and Paris and details about his death and funeral. All material I've added is sourced, removing some of the over-reliance on too few sources. I've also reduced size of images somewhat and tried to tidy up a little. The Haute Couture (Chambre Syndicale) template has been removed – I don't really see why it was on there as Worth's name wasn't on the list as far as I could see and there is no reference to it in the text or context to suggest why it should be on this page. I will continue looking for other sources. It would be great if this article could get a leg-up to move it off Start class. Libby norman ( talk) 16:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Charles Frederick Worth/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
The beginnings of an article about a top-importance subject: the father of haute couture, the first designer in the contemporary sense. Daniel Case 03:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC) |
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