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I am against the propagandistic title of this article. Instead of the title 'Charity (virtue)', i would prefer 'Charity (practise)'.-- Daanschr 11:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The seven virtues doesn't seem to include charity. Charity could be in the place of liberality (as opposed to Greed), but liberality refers to the article liberalism and not to this article. For me this is highly controversial, since liberalism is a specific political ideology, i don't belong to.-- Daanschr 12:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that kindness (as opposed to envy) includes charity. I would propose that this article will change its contents to make it fit into the Roman Catholic Seven Virtues as part of the virtue of kindness. Strange is that liberality doesn't refer to 'Liberalism (virtue)' but to 'liberalism'.-- Daanschr 12:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
It appears that the seven virtues were not always the same. Charity is mentioned as opposed to greed (in the archives of december 2005) and opposed to envy (according to Dante, see article). It would be good to mention the history of charity as a virtue in this article.-- Daanschr 13:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think we have to make a decision about the fundamental nature of this article. If it is to refer to the Christian virtue of charity then a generic charity page ought to be created. May I suggest Charity (practice)? There will also be the issue of overlap with Caritas (one of the three theological virtues). If this page is not to be focused solely on the Christian conception of Charity, as I recommend, then we will need to modify it to include other points of view. For example in Islam charity is a personal religious obligation, not a mark of virtue. There are, of course, totally secular points to be made as well. Stephen Kenny 15:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
This article has two big problems and many smaller ones:
-- Smack ( talk) 04:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to know the reason why the coin image is being constantly removed. I see no difference with the other images in the article. Let me clarify that I have myself a bit of doubt about the notability in the article, so I am open to suggestions. Miguel.mateo ( talk) 08:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Should the lead-in (& therefore overall tone) of this article be centered around the "christian" virtue of charity? I found my way here through a link on the Seven virtues page under a section expanding on the Psychomachia... For obvious reasons, the page itself should attempt to take a wider perspective. Lastoobs ( talk) 21:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
by "obvious reasons" I mean to say that the term "christian" doesn't show up until around 16c while the term "charity" enjoys usage as early as 12c & while "Christianity" hails as early as 1300, & still not forgetting that the words 'charity' & 'christ' are linguistically linked together, the fact of the matter is that the idea of "christ" is actually a parallel to the idea of the Hebrew "mashiah" which dates 200BC and beyond... so, maybe the 'virtue' itself shouldn't be blatantly labeled as 'christian' when 'christian' is itself a translation. Lastoobs ( talk) 22:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
it's almost like the lead in is trying to make charity seem like more than it really is, as a virtue & a concept. Charity is "benevolence for the poor," I think what the lead in is missing is the idea that this concept is literally "the friendship of man for God", that sharing does actually "unites us to God"... as it stands, I'm rather demotivated to improve upon the lead in, but still. What about loving kindness & generosity is so hard to equate to virtue status without going all religOmatic on us. Have we forgotten what virtues even are? virtue (n.) early 13c., "moral life and conduct, moral excellence," vertu, from Anglo-French and Old French vertu, from Latin virtutem (nominative virtus) "moral strength, manliness, valor, excellence, worth," from vir "man" (see virile). For my part I honour with the name of virtue the habit of acting in a way troublesome to oneself and useful to others. [Stendhal "de l'Amour," 1822] Phrase by virtue of (early 13c.) preserves alternative Middle English sense of "efficacy." Wyclif Bible has virtue where KJV uses power. The seven cardinal virtues (early 14c.) were divided into the natural (justice, prudence, temperance, fortitude) and the theological (hope, faith, charity). To make a virtue of a necessity (late 14c.) translates Latin facere de necessitate virtutem [Jerome]. (from etymonline dot com) Lastoobs ( talk) 22:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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I am against the propagandistic title of this article. Instead of the title 'Charity (virtue)', i would prefer 'Charity (practise)'.-- Daanschr 11:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The seven virtues doesn't seem to include charity. Charity could be in the place of liberality (as opposed to Greed), but liberality refers to the article liberalism and not to this article. For me this is highly controversial, since liberalism is a specific political ideology, i don't belong to.-- Daanschr 12:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that kindness (as opposed to envy) includes charity. I would propose that this article will change its contents to make it fit into the Roman Catholic Seven Virtues as part of the virtue of kindness. Strange is that liberality doesn't refer to 'Liberalism (virtue)' but to 'liberalism'.-- Daanschr 12:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
It appears that the seven virtues were not always the same. Charity is mentioned as opposed to greed (in the archives of december 2005) and opposed to envy (according to Dante, see article). It would be good to mention the history of charity as a virtue in this article.-- Daanschr 13:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think we have to make a decision about the fundamental nature of this article. If it is to refer to the Christian virtue of charity then a generic charity page ought to be created. May I suggest Charity (practice)? There will also be the issue of overlap with Caritas (one of the three theological virtues). If this page is not to be focused solely on the Christian conception of Charity, as I recommend, then we will need to modify it to include other points of view. For example in Islam charity is a personal religious obligation, not a mark of virtue. There are, of course, totally secular points to be made as well. Stephen Kenny 15:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
This article has two big problems and many smaller ones:
-- Smack ( talk) 04:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I would like to know the reason why the coin image is being constantly removed. I see no difference with the other images in the article. Let me clarify that I have myself a bit of doubt about the notability in the article, so I am open to suggestions. Miguel.mateo ( talk) 08:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Should the lead-in (& therefore overall tone) of this article be centered around the "christian" virtue of charity? I found my way here through a link on the Seven virtues page under a section expanding on the Psychomachia... For obvious reasons, the page itself should attempt to take a wider perspective. Lastoobs ( talk) 21:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
by "obvious reasons" I mean to say that the term "christian" doesn't show up until around 16c while the term "charity" enjoys usage as early as 12c & while "Christianity" hails as early as 1300, & still not forgetting that the words 'charity' & 'christ' are linguistically linked together, the fact of the matter is that the idea of "christ" is actually a parallel to the idea of the Hebrew "mashiah" which dates 200BC and beyond... so, maybe the 'virtue' itself shouldn't be blatantly labeled as 'christian' when 'christian' is itself a translation. Lastoobs ( talk) 22:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
it's almost like the lead in is trying to make charity seem like more than it really is, as a virtue & a concept. Charity is "benevolence for the poor," I think what the lead in is missing is the idea that this concept is literally "the friendship of man for God", that sharing does actually "unites us to God"... as it stands, I'm rather demotivated to improve upon the lead in, but still. What about loving kindness & generosity is so hard to equate to virtue status without going all religOmatic on us. Have we forgotten what virtues even are? virtue (n.) early 13c., "moral life and conduct, moral excellence," vertu, from Anglo-French and Old French vertu, from Latin virtutem (nominative virtus) "moral strength, manliness, valor, excellence, worth," from vir "man" (see virile). For my part I honour with the name of virtue the habit of acting in a way troublesome to oneself and useful to others. [Stendhal "de l'Amour," 1822] Phrase by virtue of (early 13c.) preserves alternative Middle English sense of "efficacy." Wyclif Bible has virtue where KJV uses power. The seven cardinal virtues (early 14c.) were divided into the natural (justice, prudence, temperance, fortitude) and the theological (hope, faith, charity). To make a virtue of a necessity (late 14c.) translates Latin facere de necessitate virtutem [Jerome]. (from etymonline dot com) Lastoobs ( talk) 22:15, 14 April 2013 (UTC)