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oppose move to Euripus (the Greek for "strait", it has several other meanings in English, most notably that between
Euboea and the mainland of Greece).
No, the Greek for "strait" is πορθμός, not ευρίπου. The strait between Euboea and mainland Greece is called the
Euripus Strait, not just "Euripus". Generally, Ευρίπου appears only as a fragment of a few proper names as far as I can tell. I agree about the hatnote.
Noym (
talk)
18:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank you for pointing out the dictionary entry; I had no idea.
You've lost me on several levels:
The Modern Greek for "strait" is πορθμός, period. This is the actual word that actual people actually use. I can post pictures of maps and road signs if you want. Why do obsolete words matter in this context? Do you routinely reserve headwords for random nouns from Anglo-Saxon dictionaries?
Who is Alice? Please remember that not everyone here is American or a native speaker of English.
What, specifically now, are the alternative meanings of "Euripus" that you want the headword reserved for? As far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing else in your language that is referred to simply as "Euripus". I'm aware of the Euripus Strait, but it's the Euripus Strait, not just the Euripus. What else is there?
Noym (
talk)
00:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
If it really is ambiguous, then why not finally provide an example of one other thing besides the butterfly genus that it is used to refer to? This is the third time I'm asking by my count. I'm not trying to steal your precious headword for my nefarious plan of world domination or anything, I'm simply trying to get a useless qualifier dropped. If you can name one single specific example that demonstrates real, tangible ambiguity, the qualifier is probably not as useless as I thought and I'm withdrawing my move request on the spot.
Noym (
talk)
20:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Of course it's ambiguous; we already have the article [[Euripus Strait[[ - named by a non-anglophone, like many geographical articles; it should be
Euripus (strait), if not
Euripus. Since the article on the strait is viewed
eight times as often as the
one of the genus, you are proposing to remove a useful disambiguator; if either should be removed, it is the tag on the more wanted article.
Google agrees it's the Euripus Strait and not "the Euripus", just like it's the Bering Strait and not "the Bering". Seriously, just go and try for yourself. Every travel agency, every travel guide, every hotel in the area agrees.
Google Books agrees it's the Euripus Strait.
Merriam Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia agrees it's either the Euripus Strait or the "Evripos Strait" (the 2000/2001 version, p. 554).
The Standardized Catalogue of International Straits agrees it's the Euripus Strait (sec. 4.2.1, Straits Formed by an Island of a Coastal State Bordering the Strait and Its Mainland Territory).
The Hellenic Center for Maritime Research agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Karageorgis et al. 2005).
The National Technical University of Athens agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Koloukussis et al. 2011).
The Journal of Geophysical Research agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Chavez et al. 2002).
The Hastings Law Journal agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Coleman 2003).
Every yachting club in the area agrees it's the Euripus Strait.
[1],
[2],
[3]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
oppose move to Euripus (the Greek for "strait", it has several other meanings in English, most notably that between
Euboea and the mainland of Greece).
No, the Greek for "strait" is πορθμός, not ευρίπου. The strait between Euboea and mainland Greece is called the
Euripus Strait, not just "Euripus". Generally, Ευρίπου appears only as a fragment of a few proper names as far as I can tell. I agree about the hatnote.
Noym (
talk)
18:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank you for pointing out the dictionary entry; I had no idea.
You've lost me on several levels:
The Modern Greek for "strait" is πορθμός, period. This is the actual word that actual people actually use. I can post pictures of maps and road signs if you want. Why do obsolete words matter in this context? Do you routinely reserve headwords for random nouns from Anglo-Saxon dictionaries?
Who is Alice? Please remember that not everyone here is American or a native speaker of English.
What, specifically now, are the alternative meanings of "Euripus" that you want the headword reserved for? As far as I can tell there is absolutely nothing else in your language that is referred to simply as "Euripus". I'm aware of the Euripus Strait, but it's the Euripus Strait, not just the Euripus. What else is there?
Noym (
talk)
00:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
If it really is ambiguous, then why not finally provide an example of one other thing besides the butterfly genus that it is used to refer to? This is the third time I'm asking by my count. I'm not trying to steal your precious headword for my nefarious plan of world domination or anything, I'm simply trying to get a useless qualifier dropped. If you can name one single specific example that demonstrates real, tangible ambiguity, the qualifier is probably not as useless as I thought and I'm withdrawing my move request on the spot.
Noym (
talk)
20:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Of course it's ambiguous; we already have the article [[Euripus Strait[[ - named by a non-anglophone, like many geographical articles; it should be
Euripus (strait), if not
Euripus. Since the article on the strait is viewed
eight times as often as the
one of the genus, you are proposing to remove a useful disambiguator; if either should be removed, it is the tag on the more wanted article.
Google agrees it's the Euripus Strait and not "the Euripus", just like it's the Bering Strait and not "the Bering". Seriously, just go and try for yourself. Every travel agency, every travel guide, every hotel in the area agrees.
Google Books agrees it's the Euripus Strait.
Merriam Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia agrees it's either the Euripus Strait or the "Evripos Strait" (the 2000/2001 version, p. 554).
The Standardized Catalogue of International Straits agrees it's the Euripus Strait (sec. 4.2.1, Straits Formed by an Island of a Coastal State Bordering the Strait and Its Mainland Territory).
The Hellenic Center for Maritime Research agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Karageorgis et al. 2005).
The National Technical University of Athens agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Koloukussis et al. 2011).
The Journal of Geophysical Research agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Chavez et al. 2002).
The Hastings Law Journal agrees it's the Euripus Strait (Coleman 2003).
Every yachting club in the area agrees it's the Euripus Strait.
[1],
[2],
[3]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.