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Alright, let's get down to business. Most of the characters in the Tekken fighting game show no notability. Most of them are just plot summaries and could be merged into a list after some condensing. Does anyone agree? ZeroGiga ( talk) 22:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Who agreed with you to do this? You want to move all Tekken characters into one article, while Heihachi, Yoshimitsu, Nina Williams, Jin Kazama each has their own pages? That's pretty messed up. What would you achieve with that? Several characters on their own with picture and infobox, and the rest on one big messy page? Why should Nina have her own article and Anna can not? What make Paul have his own article while Lee can not? If you wanna do it, you should put ALL Tekken characters into it, with no exception, and you shoud make it look pretty (make cool infobox or something like that). Your "text-only" example with Bob is a big NO NO.
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I'm pretty sure that's what this proposal ends up to be. Why do Mortal Kombat and Dead Or Alive characters have their own pages? Why don't you start with Johnny Cage or Kasumi (Dead or Alive)? Shrine Maiden ( talk) 17:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
No this should not happened the pokemon test rule dont have to be considered in merging and as such i will say that instead of comming here trying to merge these articles that i as well as others dont see should happpen it has no accomplishment in doing so it will only making the articles worst why dont you focus on the articles that actually have REAL issues such as the mortal kombat pages, the dead or alive pages, the street fighter pages, the guilty gear pages and so on, in short you cant merge it go away shoo (stemming away from that doing all this what are you accomplishing at life?Why dont you do something that is more constructive?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.251.40 ( talk) 09:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Merged Jinpachi, Leo and Miguel into here. If anyone comes complaining and doing the above comparison to DoA and MK, feel free to point out to them most the DoA articles got the axe because of notability, and MK will probably take a hit soon too. This, SC, and Guilty Gear are currently the least volatile to do cleanups on.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 00:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with a merge here, in most cases. Some characters might be able to find reliable third-party sources, but most can't. It's probably safer to merge them now and split them when they achieve appropriate sourcing, rather than leave them vulnerable to deletion. If the article is too long, it's time to shorten/trim/summarize the information from unreliable or primary sources. If there are other games with inappropriate characters, then we should address those too instead of making excuses. Randomran ( talk) 19:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Why change things? They are fine the way they are!
Before everyone makes a fuss, here are the reasons to propose this:
There you go, just please be civil in the discussion.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
No one make a fuss. Here's why.
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It looks stupid having a "merge with Eddy Gordo?" thingy on top of the Christie Monteiro page. I'm not into these merge discussions at all, but from a neutral point of view, it simply looks stupid, and I expect it to be removed soon. - Jetro ( talk) 15:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Removing them from the proposals with a cleanup tag in place: while currently garbage as articles the characters have some sources arguing in their favor from a search on google books and a few via google news. It's better than nothing.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 02:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Who put Dr. B. in the Tekken section? He made his first cameo appearance in Tekken 2 and his first in-game appearance in Tekken 3. He have to be moved. -- Kombatgod ( talk) 01:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Not to discredit the validity of this article but Kunimitsu (from whom this video game character is named after) was a historical sword smith. The article about his greatest student, masamune, actually links to this article. I think it would make more sense for the article here to be about the person, with a link to the video game character. Vespine 04:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
That is a question I often find myself asking. What happened to Kunimitus after Tekken 2? Was she truly killed by Yoshimitsu, or is she still lurking in the shadows? Will she ever make a return?
I myself prefer to think that she is still alive, somewhere out there. Yoshimitsu, although a fierce fighter, doesn't seem like he would kill a former member of the Manji Clan, even if she was hostile and traitorous. And it just makes for a mysterious story! ^_^
Any thoughts?
I Hope kunimitsu returns in tekken 6!
The most likely way we will discover her fate is if she is still alive and returns. If she's dead, it's unlikely she will be mentioned. Unless she gets replaced. Most likely would be a student she taught, Kunimitsu would have died and her student wants for revenge. - The 4th Snake
Namco never says what happened to her. In TTT Yoshi kills her but TT is not canon....although a few things from that game do sorta happen, like the angel gene in Jun kazama. TT seems like it was a "let's test a few plot elements before actually doing em" game. She could come back. I just hope she gets a different moveset though. She was just Yoshimitsu but crappy. She needs her own moveset, not just a pathetic copy. (VRaptorX)
I say TTT because it seems like TTT was the "let's see if they like this" game. Some stuff in that game ended up being true and developed on, while other stuff was dropped. So it isn't entirely possible that that part of TTT did happen.
Well, they had public testings for Tekken 6 recently, and she wasn't seen in the game, so it's unlikely that she'll appear, but there always a chance. Anyway, this is not a forum, go to GameSpot for that. Michael Mad 15:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
It is in the trivia section that she is rumoured to be in Tekken 6. I've heard nothing about how Kunimitsu is to be in Tekken 6 or in Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection. Both are unencyclopedic comments and should be deleted. Michael Mad 18:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't she thrown out of the manji-clan after tekken 1? and didn't she go to Kazuya in tekken 2 for aid? I thought that was the story, but here Kazuya isn't mentioned. Is this the official story? I was just wondering. Aeneiden-Rex 13:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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I just noticed that this article still exists or was recreated shortly after being deleted, per this AfD. Since this article has been edited consistently for the last three months, I get the feeling the 'restored for transwiki' part of the closing admins rational is being abused. Thought? -- Jelly Soup ( talk) 16:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
By merging all these articles into one; there's less information, it's more clustered, and it's even harder to find information than it was before for a video game series that's expanding every week. It was fine before. 13:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I totaly agree with you. Things were fine the way they were. If you are going to merge some of them, merge them all! Why should some characters have their own page and others not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.231.222 ( talk) 22:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you, but some characters that have been merged into the page are important. For axample Anna Williams, who has appeared in every game except one, Death by degrees and in the OVA. Jun Kazama, who, even though she hasn't been in many games, is regularly mentioned and is vital to the main story, as well as staring in the OVA. Or Julia Chang who appears in all of the games since Tekken 3. Why don't they still have their own page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.231.222 ( talk) 22:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I understand what you are saying. Based on what you said, I'm just wondering why characters like Mokujin and Kuma still have pages of their own. Besides, If more than 90% of characters are merging into one article, would it not make more sense to just merge them all? That way everything is organised, together and easy to find, (Like the Resident Evil character page). After all, the page is called "List of characters in the Tekken series" and not "List of some characters in the Tekken series." At the moment, people who are unfamilliar with the series will think that the characters on the page are all of the characters, they might not realise that there are others that have their own page. It seems to me that if some have their own pages and others don't, then it will be a lot more un-organised and messy. However, this may just be my opinion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.231.222 ( talk) 23:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
One other issue that seems to have come up with the merging: this list/article now has a 'Too long' claim against it, requesting some bits to be spun off! It's getting to where you have to sort who should get individual pages now. Also, shouldn't the three kids (Roger Jr, King II, Kuma II) be listed in the games they debuted in as opposed to their parents? IL-Kuma ( talk) 09:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I say give all the characters their own articles like it was before. Who's with me? The King Gemini ( talk) 03:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
All the information so far seems to be on the storyline, which is fine, but I'd like to see at least something about how the characters play - things like Xiaoyu being quick, Jack being powerful, which characters share moves, ex sub-bosses like Armor King and Wang being made more individual in more recent games, etc. I'm sure that it could be done without constituting original research, and I'm happy to make a start on it if other people agree that it'd be worthwhile. 194.75.37.250 ( talk) 22:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I recently went to a link of leo's profile [1] but leo is STILL locked from the main character list [2] The profile also seems unfinished(lacking picures other then the two cg arts) making me think that it is set up to keep the conversation of leo's gender going. Seeing as many sites are split on the gender debat [3] should we just leave the gender of the character ambigous until proper confermation (unsigned edit by Gamersdan)
Harada-san, representative of "NAMCO Bandai Games" clearly states HER gender is female, and HER name is Eleonore Kliesen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvzFEKWzN8k . 88.90.95.58 ( talk) 15:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
This article appears neutral and as most other video game articles is written in an in-universe manner (which is incorrect I might add). However, I do not believe this should be copied to another wiki because of sounding like an instruction manual (which I fail to see where it does) and because a non-neutral point of view. Although I abhor in-universe manner of writing, I don't believe we should got to the extreme of completely removing this article from Wikipedia. Some of the information is perhaps too detailed, and some things like Lateef Crowder's likeness to Eddy Gordo (although blantantly obvious) are in contrast to WP:OR. I can assure that I will assist in finding references for the characters. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain ( talk) 01:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I see that you morons haven't put it on this site yet, but Bob has an official last name that isn't mentioned on his profile. I'm not revealing it here as I know you'll all be itching to write it (as proved by your full name obsession by titling E. Honda'a page Edmond and using Lili's last name even though Lili is just a nickname and her last name has never been mentioned in game), so you can try and find it yourselves. The reason I'm not writing it is because I despise this site and all people that live only to edit it. So when you find it out yourselves, go ahead and ruin the article as you all love to do so much. Oh by the way, all the mistakes I find on Wiki (false facts or bad grammar), I leave alone, I want this site to look as embarrassingly inaccurate as it can (of which you are all doing a great job).
What is meant by "traditional" Karate, is that in Japan, Karate I think is divided into two separate generations; there is "traditional" Karate, that is as it was practiced prior to the 1970's, and then there is scientific "modern" Karate, styles that began emerging around the 70's and 80's. Specifically speaking many people familiar with Karate, at least I'm assuming they are, say that the style Jin Practices is Kyokshin. It counts as "traditional" Karate because Kyokshin is a member of the "old generation, pre-scientific" styles.
Additionally, in Japan the two most widespread styles are Kyokshin and Shotokan respectively, in terms of numbers of practitioners, if Kyokshin is called "traditional" again that is just owed to how widespread it is. Again, all "traditional" means, is that it is "older generation" Karate, it is not a style developed in the "scientific age" of Japan's martial arts. In Japan, although I am not 100% on this, the martial arts are divided into the pre-scientific generation, and modern "scientifically developed" styles. Any style that existed before extensive scientific research was done on martial arts, is generally labeled as "traditional," or, any wide spread style. The fictional Mishima Ryu style of Karate is not labeled as "traditional" because it is practiced only by the Mishimas. Just thought I would shed some light on that; there is a lot of confusion. Again though, I am not 100% on that; its just stuff I was told by Japanese friends of mine back in college, owing to the widespread practice of martial arts in Japan, again styles are divided as either "classical" or "traditional" if you prefer, and "scientific era."
One more thing; the reason Jin Kazama is such a powerful character, is because in Japanese fiction, specifically video games, there is always an "ideal Samurai" type. You will observe, that Jin Kazama, Ryu of Street Fighter fame, and Akira Yuki, among others, all have the same generic look, and build. To the Japanese, that is the "look" of a "Samurai." Even the west has borrowed this concept; whenever a westerner makes some Samurai fiction, they always chose an asian actor, whose general look is the same as that of a Jin Kazama, or a Ryu. Samurai culture has become so widely admired, even westerners borrow that same "generic look," the best example is "Samurai Jack." You see Samurai Jack, Jin Kazama, Akira Yuki, heck even Ryu Hyabusa we can infer what he looks like just from looking at his father, again take a close look; they all have those same stereotypical features.
The truth is, the majority of Japanese Samurai were generally gruff, and tough looking, much like Masahiko Kimura, actually, Kimura the famous Judoka, qualifies as a "Samurai," in terms of what most historical Samurai would have looked like. However, and this is true, all the legendary swordsmen in Japanese history were indeed sharp looking; Minamoto Yoshitsune, and believe it or not even Musashi, all the way down to Jubei Yagyu, all those men were attractive to women. Sasaki Kojiro was a known womanizer rumored to have slept with over 1,000 women. I am sorry for breaking the rules, just thought I would point all of this out. The generic "Japanese fighting game hero," stems from Japanese history; from Minamoto Yoshitsune, all the way to Jubei Yagyu, the Samurai of Japan at least the very best ones, all had that same generic look. Its the whole reason why Jin Kazama, Ryu, Akira Yuki, Mitsurugi of Soul Calibur fame, Haomaru of Samurai showdown, etc, etc, why all those characters look basically the same. Many Japanese are superstitious too, and some even believe in face reading; the square jaw is a common theme even in Japan, because it is believed to be "strong."
Here is the general superstition in Japan, regarding martial artists; if a fighter has a square jaw, it means he's very strong, solid, and is a "power" based fighter. If a fighter has an angular jaw, it means he's a speed demon, and a "very intense" "combination" fighter. In China, this is known as the concept of the "metal face" vs the "fire face." Ken Shamrock is an example of a "metal face," while Ray Robinson is an example of a "fire face." The Japanese, generally prefer their video game heroes, idealized "Samurai types," to have a "metal face." In the west an angular face is generally considered weak, however in the east, an angular face like Barak Obama's is generally considered "dangerous," if the person practices martial arts. What characterizes a "fire faced" martial artist, above everything, is speed. If you look at Bruce Lee, his face is somewhere in the middle, Bruce Lee's face was a hybrid of metal and fire, by Chinese face reading reckoning, meaning he was both strong, and prone to high speed.
I know I have typed a lot but people forget Japan is an asian country, its amazing how frequently that is forgotten, hence, the games have a lot of cultural nuances in them, that are hard for westerners to understand. For example, a Chinese man will understand why Jin Kazama hates his father so much, however most westerners won't. Additionally, in east asian culture the family, and larger society has greater importance, owing to that, many asian parents will abuse that, that is they will abuse the sense of obligation to family that society places on an individual. Now there is definitely a genuine need to respect others, but not at the expense of turning someone into a doormat; many Japanese fathers are more concerned with how their sons will make them look in society, rather than their son's well being. To prevent being embarassed by their sons, a lot of Japanese men will resort to abuse, and almost constantly pressuring them. In China I've been told there is a similar practice.
Anyway, lol, point overmade, and this content will likely get deleted; don't wanna get into more trouble so, later.
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Jin Kazama is referenced at the beginning of the song Put your hands up for yourself by Dungeon Elite [**] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.92.27.82 ( talk) 00:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
How much sense does that make?-- Chipmonk328 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.150.91 ( talk) 19:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The stories in this article jump from past tense to present tense like it's nobody's business. Someone should clean it up... -- 160.39.193.104 ( talk) 08:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know where the info was taken from, but King's Tekken 3 ending is nothing like the one written in the article. It starts with a wrestling match and ends with Armor King inside the locker room with his mask off looking sick or sad. -- 201.230.116.88 ( talk) 23:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.ugo.com/games/the-best-video-game-endings
It's rated as one of the best because: "There's something bizarre and hilariously meta about Mokujin's ending. He's a beaten woodman that gets no respect, even from his wife." Sincerely Subzerosmokerain ( talk) 01:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Someone should add Gon to the Tekken 3 section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.78.164 ( talk) 23:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
When you customize a character, you can get him (if male) a sledgehammer on the back and her (if female) a naginata. When you'll customize Leo, you'll get a sledgehammer. Doesn't that make Leo to be a male? Just a though... – 90.237.134.110 ( talk) 05:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
In the Character Voices and Personalities section, you see "Gitmo Nation" a few times. What is going on? Is someone messing with us? 71.173.119.189 ( talk) 16:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Why is he deleted and i can't seem to find his own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.254.121.34 ( talk) 14:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
May I ask why the pictures of each character have been removed from the article?
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I propose we hold a discussion whether or not we should keep Lili her own article or merge the article into her section. I feel that the merge wasn't quite adequately discussed, so I think we should discuss here. Any comments or objections? Darth Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 02:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Where are Angel and Gon? And Prototype Jack? Jack and P. Jack are different characters in Tekken and Tekken 2, they must have different paragraphs. Why Armor King and Armor King II separated but not King II, Kuma II, Jack-2, Gun Jack, Jack-5 and Jack-6? Why Jun/Unknown or Julia/Jaycee separated but not Lee Chaolan/Violet, Ogre/True Ogre, Kazuya/Devil or Jin/Devil Jin? This article is a joke!!! We need consistency. -- 79.154.216.205 ( talk) 16:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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Alright, let's get down to business. Most of the characters in the Tekken fighting game show no notability. Most of them are just plot summaries and could be merged into a list after some condensing. Does anyone agree? ZeroGiga ( talk) 22:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Who agreed with you to do this? You want to move all Tekken characters into one article, while Heihachi, Yoshimitsu, Nina Williams, Jin Kazama each has their own pages? That's pretty messed up. What would you achieve with that? Several characters on their own with picture and infobox, and the rest on one big messy page? Why should Nina have her own article and Anna can not? What make Paul have his own article while Lee can not? If you wanna do it, you should put ALL Tekken characters into it, with no exception, and you shoud make it look pretty (make cool infobox or something like that). Your "text-only" example with Bob is a big NO NO.
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I'm pretty sure that's what this proposal ends up to be. Why do Mortal Kombat and Dead Or Alive characters have their own pages? Why don't you start with Johnny Cage or Kasumi (Dead or Alive)? Shrine Maiden ( talk) 17:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
No this should not happened the pokemon test rule dont have to be considered in merging and as such i will say that instead of comming here trying to merge these articles that i as well as others dont see should happpen it has no accomplishment in doing so it will only making the articles worst why dont you focus on the articles that actually have REAL issues such as the mortal kombat pages, the dead or alive pages, the street fighter pages, the guilty gear pages and so on, in short you cant merge it go away shoo (stemming away from that doing all this what are you accomplishing at life?Why dont you do something that is more constructive?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.251.40 ( talk) 09:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Merged Jinpachi, Leo and Miguel into here. If anyone comes complaining and doing the above comparison to DoA and MK, feel free to point out to them most the DoA articles got the axe because of notability, and MK will probably take a hit soon too. This, SC, and Guilty Gear are currently the least volatile to do cleanups on.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 00:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with a merge here, in most cases. Some characters might be able to find reliable third-party sources, but most can't. It's probably safer to merge them now and split them when they achieve appropriate sourcing, rather than leave them vulnerable to deletion. If the article is too long, it's time to shorten/trim/summarize the information from unreliable or primary sources. If there are other games with inappropriate characters, then we should address those too instead of making excuses. Randomran ( talk) 19:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Why change things? They are fine the way they are!
Before everyone makes a fuss, here are the reasons to propose this:
There you go, just please be civil in the discussion.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
No one make a fuss. Here's why.
-- SAVIOR_ SELF .777 22:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
It looks stupid having a "merge with Eddy Gordo?" thingy on top of the Christie Monteiro page. I'm not into these merge discussions at all, but from a neutral point of view, it simply looks stupid, and I expect it to be removed soon. - Jetro ( talk) 15:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Removing them from the proposals with a cleanup tag in place: while currently garbage as articles the characters have some sources arguing in their favor from a search on google books and a few via google news. It's better than nothing.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 02:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Who put Dr. B. in the Tekken section? He made his first cameo appearance in Tekken 2 and his first in-game appearance in Tekken 3. He have to be moved. -- Kombatgod ( talk) 01:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Not to discredit the validity of this article but Kunimitsu (from whom this video game character is named after) was a historical sword smith. The article about his greatest student, masamune, actually links to this article. I think it would make more sense for the article here to be about the person, with a link to the video game character. Vespine 04:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
That is a question I often find myself asking. What happened to Kunimitus after Tekken 2? Was she truly killed by Yoshimitsu, or is she still lurking in the shadows? Will she ever make a return?
I myself prefer to think that she is still alive, somewhere out there. Yoshimitsu, although a fierce fighter, doesn't seem like he would kill a former member of the Manji Clan, even if she was hostile and traitorous. And it just makes for a mysterious story! ^_^
Any thoughts?
I Hope kunimitsu returns in tekken 6!
The most likely way we will discover her fate is if she is still alive and returns. If she's dead, it's unlikely she will be mentioned. Unless she gets replaced. Most likely would be a student she taught, Kunimitsu would have died and her student wants for revenge. - The 4th Snake
Namco never says what happened to her. In TTT Yoshi kills her but TT is not canon....although a few things from that game do sorta happen, like the angel gene in Jun kazama. TT seems like it was a "let's test a few plot elements before actually doing em" game. She could come back. I just hope she gets a different moveset though. She was just Yoshimitsu but crappy. She needs her own moveset, not just a pathetic copy. (VRaptorX)
I say TTT because it seems like TTT was the "let's see if they like this" game. Some stuff in that game ended up being true and developed on, while other stuff was dropped. So it isn't entirely possible that that part of TTT did happen.
Well, they had public testings for Tekken 6 recently, and she wasn't seen in the game, so it's unlikely that she'll appear, but there always a chance. Anyway, this is not a forum, go to GameSpot for that. Michael Mad 15:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
It is in the trivia section that she is rumoured to be in Tekken 6. I've heard nothing about how Kunimitsu is to be in Tekken 6 or in Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection. Both are unencyclopedic comments and should be deleted. Michael Mad 18:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't she thrown out of the manji-clan after tekken 1? and didn't she go to Kazuya in tekken 2 for aid? I thought that was the story, but here Kazuya isn't mentioned. Is this the official story? I was just wondering. Aeneiden-Rex 13:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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I just noticed that this article still exists or was recreated shortly after being deleted, per this AfD. Since this article has been edited consistently for the last three months, I get the feeling the 'restored for transwiki' part of the closing admins rational is being abused. Thought? -- Jelly Soup ( talk) 16:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
By merging all these articles into one; there's less information, it's more clustered, and it's even harder to find information than it was before for a video game series that's expanding every week. It was fine before. 13:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I totaly agree with you. Things were fine the way they were. If you are going to merge some of them, merge them all! Why should some characters have their own page and others not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.231.222 ( talk) 22:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you, but some characters that have been merged into the page are important. For axample Anna Williams, who has appeared in every game except one, Death by degrees and in the OVA. Jun Kazama, who, even though she hasn't been in many games, is regularly mentioned and is vital to the main story, as well as staring in the OVA. Or Julia Chang who appears in all of the games since Tekken 3. Why don't they still have their own page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.231.222 ( talk) 22:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I understand what you are saying. Based on what you said, I'm just wondering why characters like Mokujin and Kuma still have pages of their own. Besides, If more than 90% of characters are merging into one article, would it not make more sense to just merge them all? That way everything is organised, together and easy to find, (Like the Resident Evil character page). After all, the page is called "List of characters in the Tekken series" and not "List of some characters in the Tekken series." At the moment, people who are unfamilliar with the series will think that the characters on the page are all of the characters, they might not realise that there are others that have their own page. It seems to me that if some have their own pages and others don't, then it will be a lot more un-organised and messy. However, this may just be my opinion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.231.222 ( talk) 23:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
One other issue that seems to have come up with the merging: this list/article now has a 'Too long' claim against it, requesting some bits to be spun off! It's getting to where you have to sort who should get individual pages now. Also, shouldn't the three kids (Roger Jr, King II, Kuma II) be listed in the games they debuted in as opposed to their parents? IL-Kuma ( talk) 09:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I say give all the characters their own articles like it was before. Who's with me? The King Gemini ( talk) 03:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
All the information so far seems to be on the storyline, which is fine, but I'd like to see at least something about how the characters play - things like Xiaoyu being quick, Jack being powerful, which characters share moves, ex sub-bosses like Armor King and Wang being made more individual in more recent games, etc. I'm sure that it could be done without constituting original research, and I'm happy to make a start on it if other people agree that it'd be worthwhile. 194.75.37.250 ( talk) 22:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I recently went to a link of leo's profile [1] but leo is STILL locked from the main character list [2] The profile also seems unfinished(lacking picures other then the two cg arts) making me think that it is set up to keep the conversation of leo's gender going. Seeing as many sites are split on the gender debat [3] should we just leave the gender of the character ambigous until proper confermation (unsigned edit by Gamersdan)
Harada-san, representative of "NAMCO Bandai Games" clearly states HER gender is female, and HER name is Eleonore Kliesen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvzFEKWzN8k . 88.90.95.58 ( talk) 15:26, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
This article appears neutral and as most other video game articles is written in an in-universe manner (which is incorrect I might add). However, I do not believe this should be copied to another wiki because of sounding like an instruction manual (which I fail to see where it does) and because a non-neutral point of view. Although I abhor in-universe manner of writing, I don't believe we should got to the extreme of completely removing this article from Wikipedia. Some of the information is perhaps too detailed, and some things like Lateef Crowder's likeness to Eddy Gordo (although blantantly obvious) are in contrast to WP:OR. I can assure that I will assist in finding references for the characters. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain ( talk) 01:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I see that you morons haven't put it on this site yet, but Bob has an official last name that isn't mentioned on his profile. I'm not revealing it here as I know you'll all be itching to write it (as proved by your full name obsession by titling E. Honda'a page Edmond and using Lili's last name even though Lili is just a nickname and her last name has never been mentioned in game), so you can try and find it yourselves. The reason I'm not writing it is because I despise this site and all people that live only to edit it. So when you find it out yourselves, go ahead and ruin the article as you all love to do so much. Oh by the way, all the mistakes I find on Wiki (false facts or bad grammar), I leave alone, I want this site to look as embarrassingly inaccurate as it can (of which you are all doing a great job).
What is meant by "traditional" Karate, is that in Japan, Karate I think is divided into two separate generations; there is "traditional" Karate, that is as it was practiced prior to the 1970's, and then there is scientific "modern" Karate, styles that began emerging around the 70's and 80's. Specifically speaking many people familiar with Karate, at least I'm assuming they are, say that the style Jin Practices is Kyokshin. It counts as "traditional" Karate because Kyokshin is a member of the "old generation, pre-scientific" styles.
Additionally, in Japan the two most widespread styles are Kyokshin and Shotokan respectively, in terms of numbers of practitioners, if Kyokshin is called "traditional" again that is just owed to how widespread it is. Again, all "traditional" means, is that it is "older generation" Karate, it is not a style developed in the "scientific age" of Japan's martial arts. In Japan, although I am not 100% on this, the martial arts are divided into the pre-scientific generation, and modern "scientifically developed" styles. Any style that existed before extensive scientific research was done on martial arts, is generally labeled as "traditional," or, any wide spread style. The fictional Mishima Ryu style of Karate is not labeled as "traditional" because it is practiced only by the Mishimas. Just thought I would shed some light on that; there is a lot of confusion. Again though, I am not 100% on that; its just stuff I was told by Japanese friends of mine back in college, owing to the widespread practice of martial arts in Japan, again styles are divided as either "classical" or "traditional" if you prefer, and "scientific era."
One more thing; the reason Jin Kazama is such a powerful character, is because in Japanese fiction, specifically video games, there is always an "ideal Samurai" type. You will observe, that Jin Kazama, Ryu of Street Fighter fame, and Akira Yuki, among others, all have the same generic look, and build. To the Japanese, that is the "look" of a "Samurai." Even the west has borrowed this concept; whenever a westerner makes some Samurai fiction, they always chose an asian actor, whose general look is the same as that of a Jin Kazama, or a Ryu. Samurai culture has become so widely admired, even westerners borrow that same "generic look," the best example is "Samurai Jack." You see Samurai Jack, Jin Kazama, Akira Yuki, heck even Ryu Hyabusa we can infer what he looks like just from looking at his father, again take a close look; they all have those same stereotypical features.
The truth is, the majority of Japanese Samurai were generally gruff, and tough looking, much like Masahiko Kimura, actually, Kimura the famous Judoka, qualifies as a "Samurai," in terms of what most historical Samurai would have looked like. However, and this is true, all the legendary swordsmen in Japanese history were indeed sharp looking; Minamoto Yoshitsune, and believe it or not even Musashi, all the way down to Jubei Yagyu, all those men were attractive to women. Sasaki Kojiro was a known womanizer rumored to have slept with over 1,000 women. I am sorry for breaking the rules, just thought I would point all of this out. The generic "Japanese fighting game hero," stems from Japanese history; from Minamoto Yoshitsune, all the way to Jubei Yagyu, the Samurai of Japan at least the very best ones, all had that same generic look. Its the whole reason why Jin Kazama, Ryu, Akira Yuki, Mitsurugi of Soul Calibur fame, Haomaru of Samurai showdown, etc, etc, why all those characters look basically the same. Many Japanese are superstitious too, and some even believe in face reading; the square jaw is a common theme even in Japan, because it is believed to be "strong."
Here is the general superstition in Japan, regarding martial artists; if a fighter has a square jaw, it means he's very strong, solid, and is a "power" based fighter. If a fighter has an angular jaw, it means he's a speed demon, and a "very intense" "combination" fighter. In China, this is known as the concept of the "metal face" vs the "fire face." Ken Shamrock is an example of a "metal face," while Ray Robinson is an example of a "fire face." The Japanese, generally prefer their video game heroes, idealized "Samurai types," to have a "metal face." In the west an angular face is generally considered weak, however in the east, an angular face like Barak Obama's is generally considered "dangerous," if the person practices martial arts. What characterizes a "fire faced" martial artist, above everything, is speed. If you look at Bruce Lee, his face is somewhere in the middle, Bruce Lee's face was a hybrid of metal and fire, by Chinese face reading reckoning, meaning he was both strong, and prone to high speed.
I know I have typed a lot but people forget Japan is an asian country, its amazing how frequently that is forgotten, hence, the games have a lot of cultural nuances in them, that are hard for westerners to understand. For example, a Chinese man will understand why Jin Kazama hates his father so much, however most westerners won't. Additionally, in east asian culture the family, and larger society has greater importance, owing to that, many asian parents will abuse that, that is they will abuse the sense of obligation to family that society places on an individual. Now there is definitely a genuine need to respect others, but not at the expense of turning someone into a doormat; many Japanese fathers are more concerned with how their sons will make them look in society, rather than their son's well being. To prevent being embarassed by their sons, a lot of Japanese men will resort to abuse, and almost constantly pressuring them. In China I've been told there is a similar practice.
Anyway, lol, point overmade, and this content will likely get deleted; don't wanna get into more trouble so, later.
15:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.148.120.91 ( talk)
Jin Kazama is referenced at the beginning of the song Put your hands up for yourself by Dungeon Elite [**] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.92.27.82 ( talk) 00:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
How much sense does that make?-- Chipmonk328 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.150.91 ( talk) 19:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The stories in this article jump from past tense to present tense like it's nobody's business. Someone should clean it up... -- 160.39.193.104 ( talk) 08:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know where the info was taken from, but King's Tekken 3 ending is nothing like the one written in the article. It starts with a wrestling match and ends with Armor King inside the locker room with his mask off looking sick or sad. -- 201.230.116.88 ( talk) 23:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
http://www.ugo.com/games/the-best-video-game-endings
It's rated as one of the best because: "There's something bizarre and hilariously meta about Mokujin's ending. He's a beaten woodman that gets no respect, even from his wife." Sincerely Subzerosmokerain ( talk) 01:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Someone should add Gon to the Tekken 3 section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.78.164 ( talk) 23:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
When you customize a character, you can get him (if male) a sledgehammer on the back and her (if female) a naginata. When you'll customize Leo, you'll get a sledgehammer. Doesn't that make Leo to be a male? Just a though... – 90.237.134.110 ( talk) 05:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
In the Character Voices and Personalities section, you see "Gitmo Nation" a few times. What is going on? Is someone messing with us? 71.173.119.189 ( talk) 16:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Why is he deleted and i can't seem to find his own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.254.121.34 ( talk) 14:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
May I ask why the pictures of each character have been removed from the article?
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I propose we hold a discussion whether or not we should keep Lili her own article or merge the article into her section. I feel that the merge wasn't quite adequately discussed, so I think we should discuss here. Any comments or objections? Darth Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 02:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Where are Angel and Gon? And Prototype Jack? Jack and P. Jack are different characters in Tekken and Tekken 2, they must have different paragraphs. Why Armor King and Armor King II separated but not King II, Kuma II, Jack-2, Gun Jack, Jack-5 and Jack-6? Why Jun/Unknown or Julia/Jaycee separated but not Lee Chaolan/Violet, Ogre/True Ogre, Kazuya/Devil or Jin/Devil Jin? This article is a joke!!! We need consistency. -- 79.154.216.205 ( talk) 16:40, 26 November 2011 (UTC)